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    A very interesting development:

    Clash on Pakistan Border Stirs Afghan Emotions
    By ROD NORDLAND
    Published: May 2, 2013

    KABUL, Afghanistan – Afghan forces claimed they overran a Pakistani-held border crossing in a remote area on Thursday -- an event that provoked a spontaneous outpouring of nationalist sentiment here, sending thousands of students into the streets in demonstrations, and sparking lively debate on social network sites.

    More than a thousand students turned out for the funeral of an Afghan border policeman who was the only confirmed victim of the clash, Qasim Khan. An ambulance pressed into service as a hearse to carry his body from Jalalabad to his home village in rural Nangarhar Province was strewn with flowers, and mourners were celebratory in declaring a victory over Pakistan. Hundreds of miles away in Gardez city, Paktia province, Mr. Khan was hailed as a national hero by crowds of students who marched through the center of the city beating drums and chanting anti-Pakistani slogans.

    A spokesman for the Afghan Border Police unit in eastern Nangarhar Province said that force’s troops took back five Afghan police posts that had been occupied by Pakistani forces in the Goshta District in fighting that began Wednesday night and finished early Thursday morning. They also burned a border crossing post in the area which Pakistan had allegedly built without Afghan approval. The crossing was one of several that President Hamid Karzai had publicly complained about last month.

    The border police spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with his agency’s policy, said there were unconfirmed reports that nine Pakistani militiamen were killed in the clash.

    However, Pakistani government officials said only two of their security personnel were wounded in a cross-fire and there were no reports of border facilities changing hands. And an Afghan member of parliament from Goshta district, Friadon Momand, said his information was that the border crossing had not been destroyed and was still operating.

    Whatever actually happened, the incident aroused an unusual degree of reaction especially among young Afghans, which contrasts sharply with their apathy over actions by their army and police in clashes with Afghan insurgents.

    “An Afghan Border Police officer died last night fighting Pakistanis, Afghans enraged and showed emotions. But now Eight Afghan Local Policemen killed by (Sons of Pakistan) Taliban, all will remain silent,” read a Facebook post attributed to Sohrab Sharifi.

    Mr. Sharifi was referring to reports that eight Afghan Local Police were killed by a roadside bomb that blew up as they passed in a truck in Pashtunabad village, Logar Province on Thursday morning.

    Abdul Wali Wakil, the chairman of the Logar Provincial Council, said that the local police had just graduated from a training program run by American Special Forces soldiers, and had just been brought by the American troops to their assignment in the area.

    “I have personally warned the provincial governor and provincial police chief about the potential threat in the area, but they ignored my advice,” he said.

    The border clash in Nangarhar Province comes after months of complaints by Afghan authorities over cross-border shelling, and control of their common border. In addition, Afghan political leaders, including President Hamid Karzai, have greatly stepped up their anti-Pakistani rhetoric lately, blaming their neighbor for supporting insurgents and hindering efforts at peace talks.

    “We should put the name of this Afghan Border Police officer killed last night in the list of Afghanistan’s national heroes,” said Liaqat Khan, a medical student who went to the funeral in Jalalabad. The students at the funeral, who organized the protest themselves, complained that national and high-ranking provincial officials were absent. They had signs reading “Long Live Afghan forces,” and “Death to Pakistan.”

    On Facebook and Twitter, many Afghans called for further demonstrations after Friday prayers.

    The border clash came a day after the reopening of the major crossing between Afghanistan and Pakistan, at Torkhum on the Grand Trunk Road between Kabul and Peshawar. It had been closed for two days after a fistfight between Afghan and Pakistani border guards over the Pakistanis’ refusal to let an Afghan woman enter without a visa.

    Pakistan closed the crossing for two days until the Afghans apologized for the incident. According to Col. Enayatullah Abdullah, an Afghan Border Police official at Torkhum, four Afghan patients died waiting at the crossing to go to hospitals in Pakistan.

    President Karzai has repeatedly raised the long-festering issue of the Durand Line, which forms the border between the two countries, and was established by the British in the early 1900s. The line divides traditionally Pashtun tribal areas on both sides of the border; Pashtuns are Afghanistan’s largest ethnic grouping, and they predominate among the Taliban insurgents.

    An Afghan employee of The New York Times in Jalalabad and Salman Masood in Islamabad contributed reporting.

  • #2
    Originally posted by 1980s View Post
    A very interesting development:

    Clash on Pakistan Border Stirs Afghan Emotions
    Not really - border clashes between Afghan and Pakistani border security forces are pretty frequent - the main difference this time is that the Afghan Border Police is trying to claim the occupation and destruction of Pakistani posts, and having its claims contradicted by Pakistan and a member of the Afghan parliament.
    Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
      Not really - border clashes between Afghan and Pakistani border security forces are pretty frequent - the main difference this time is that the Afghan Border Police is trying to claim the occupation and destruction of Pakistani posts, and having its claims contradicted by Pakistan and a member of the Afghan parliament.
      I find the reaction to the news among ordinary Afghans more interesting than the actual clash, which like you pointed out are not unusual. Such an out-pouring of people for the funeral of the Afghan policeman because he was killed in a clash with Pakistanis is very revealing.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 1980s View Post
        I find the reaction to the news among ordinary Afghans more interesting than the actual clash, which like you pointed out are not unusual. Such an out-pouring of people for the funeral of the Afghan policeman because he was killed in a clash with Pakistanis is very revealing.
        I would argue that the 'outpouring of sentiment' is probably linked more to the exaggerated account of the ABP (occupying and destroying Pakistani border posts) than any significant shift in Afghan public opinion.
        Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1980s View Post
          I find the reaction to the news among ordinary Afghans more interesting than the actual clash, which like you pointed out are not unusual. Such an out-pouring of people for the funeral of the Afghan policeman because he was killed in a clash with Pakistanis is very revealing.
          Twelve years of widespread semi-secular education. There's a whole generation out there coming into adulthood.....
          In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

          Leibniz

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          • #6
            The Aljazeera news video does show a destroyed Pakistani post....

            http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia/...176188283.html

            Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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            • #7
              Two-hour gunfight and one dead in Pakistan-Afghanistan border dispute

              One member of the Afghan border police is dead and two Pakistani soldiers have been wounded after a row close to the disputed Gursal border gate.

              A two-hour firefight began after an attack on a Pakistani checkpoint, according to officials in Islamabad.

              The Pakistani Foreign Ministry released a statement saying it had summoned the senior Afghan diplomat in Islamabad to protest at what it called “an unprovoked firing incident.”

              However, Kabul is claiming Pakistani troops were in the wrong when they tried to fortify the gate on the Afghan side. Afghan Foreign Ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqi said the situation at the border was now “under control.”

              The border is over 2,600 kilometres long, and militants often cross over, carrying out attacks in both countries.

              The US is trying to improve relations between the two countries before NATO troops leaving Afghanistan at the end of 2014. America wants Pakistan to help Afghanistan to coax the Taliban to the negotiating table ahead of the withdrawal.

              Two-hour gunfight and one dead in Pakistan-Afghanistan border dispute | euronews, world news

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                The Aljazeera news video does show a destroyed Pakistani post....

                http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia/...176188283.html
                I see a damaged post, not sure whether it is Afghan or Pakistani at around 50 seconds ...
                Last edited by Agnostic Muslim; 03 May 13,, 12:27.
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                • #9
                  pakistan and afghan armed forces need to get together against taliban,not fighting each other

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                    I see a damaged post, not sure whether it is Afghan or Pakistani at around 50 seconds ...
                    It was damaged, not destroyed. Orders have been given out to rebuild them with more protection, the number of soldiers stationed there are also going to be increased.

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                    • #11
                      The Afghans would just hit somewhere else that is weaker. A two hour firefight and no RRF. The Afghans I can understand ... but the Pakistanis? It's a border crossing with a road behind you.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                        The Afghans would just hit somewhere else that is weaker.
                        Give the afghans some f-16s so that they could hit something hard

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by anil View Post
                          Give the afghans some f-16s so that they could hit something hard
                          Why pay for your war? You buy them some SU-30's if you need them
                          Those who know don't speak
                          He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                            The Afghans would just hit somewhere else that is weaker. A two hour firefight and no RRF. The Afghans I can understand ... but the Pakistanis? It's a border crossing with a road behind you.
                            Sir

                            From what i have gathered, PA is showing maximum restraint due to the precarious political situation on the ground.

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                            • #15
                              I had gone to Delhi yesterday for some urgent work regarding admissions.

                              On the flight there I got talking to 2 guys who looked and spoke like foreigners.

                              Turned out they were Afghan. Parsi, not Pashtun.

                              They said that not only did they do a lot of damage to the Pakistani side, but that such attacks would now be escalating.

                              Like us, they believe that Pakistan is training and sending terrorists into their country. The Iranians, some of whom are in class with me, have similar complainsts.

                              Notorious, you guys really should clean up your act yaar. We are all losing patience.

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