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    Iran & Pakistan gas pipeline

    Did Indian missed anything ???

  • #2
    Originally posted by alfa2bravo View Post
    Iran & Pakistan gas pipeline

    Did Indian missed anything ???
    No.

    1.) India got squeezed out of Iran by US sanctions on that country.

    2.) Even if it hadn't, the IPI wasn't going anywhere because Iran wanted to receive payment for the gas it sent, while India only wanted to pay for what it ended up receiving at the other end. Neither country wanted to take responsibility for the gas in Pakistani territory.

    3.) Even if that issue had been resolved, there was too much domestic opposition to having a major Indian economic lifeline running through Pakistan, which would make India prone to any possible blackmailing in the future.

    Before India got shut out by the US sanctions, India and Iran had already begun talks of constructing an underwater pipeline to circumvent Pakistan:

    Costly underwater pipeline back on India-Iran talks table - Times Of India
    PressTV - Iran to export gas to India, Oman
    Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
    -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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    • #3
      Wasn't India being threatened with sanctions not long ago for not cutting down oil purchases from Iran?

      I guess Pakistan is exempt being a Major Non-NATO ally. They should be safe with Kerry at the helm of the state department.

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      • #4
        Anybody else seeing this as a disaster waiting to happen? Pakistan can't afford this pipeline.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          Anybody else seeing this as a disaster waiting to happen? Pakistan can't afford this pipeline.
          If you want to break out the tinfoil hats, it could be a CIA-ISI plot to further drain Iranian fiscal resources.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            Anybody else seeing this as a disaster waiting to happen? Pakistan can't afford this pipeline.
            Good Day Sir

            The cost on the Pakistani side is going to be $1.5 billion. The Iranians, Pakistanis and the Chinese will provide $500 million each. Out of all the options Pakistan has, this is the cheapest and most secure.

            To effectively deal with the looming energy crisis Pakistan desperately needs to complete one of the three available options, according to officials: (i) IP, (ii) import of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) from Qatar; and (iii) through Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline project. The gas price under IP project would be $11 per Million British Thermal Unit (MMBTU), for TAPI $13 per MMBTU and Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) at $18 per MMBTU.

            http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/1-...as-price-.html

            Pakistanis are going to be more than happy to pay for this gas because its going to be much cheaper compared to running there houses and factories on expensive generators.

            Cheers

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
              Anybody else seeing this as a disaster waiting to happen? Pakistan can't afford this pipeline.
              Yes. I called it out a few months back.

              "Oh well". :whome:
              Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
              -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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              • #8
                So iran is going to make money by selling oil to pakistan and china. Is that going to be a problem?

                later added:

                last year there was a report that china was bypassing south asian(routes) waters by using icebreakers in the arctic. I wonder what happened to that.



                Ice is already melting naturally and it is going to change everything
                Last edited by anil; 14 Mar 13,, 09:14.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by notorious_eagle View Post
                  The cost on the Pakistani side is going to be $1.5 billion. The Iranians, Pakistanis and the Chinese will provide $500 million each. Out of all the options Pakistan has, this is the cheapest and most secure.
                  This says it all. You can't come up with $1bil.

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                  • #10
                    Chinese has surplus of money that it is losing money over. It needs to spend it to make money.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                      This says it all. You can't come up with $1bil.
                      They're remedying this by taking out close to a billion in loans, from both the Iranians and the Chinese.
                      Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                      -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                        This says it all. You can't come up with $1bil.
                        Theoretically all Pakistan has to do is privatize some of the largest Public Sector Enterprises like PIA, Pakistan Steel etc. to save an annual amount of almost $3 Billion by some estimates.

                        The ability to raise the money is there, whether the next government has the will to do it is another issue.

                        And if Nawaz Sharif gets elected into power his close ties with the Saudis will very likely play into whether or not the pipeline gets pushed to the background, regardless of whether Pakistan can raise the funds or not.
                        Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                          And if Nawaz Sharif gets elected into power his close ties with the Saudis will very likely play into whether or not the pipeline gets pushed to the background, regardless of whether Pakistan can raise the funds or not.
                          Are you shitting me? Come on! This is called long term planning. You commit to a program, see it through, get your money back. Playing checkers with your long term plans is tantamount to throwing your money away.

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                          • #14
                            Any project or investment that allows iran to make money is going to be jinxed

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              This says it all. You can't come up with $1bil.
                              The funding has been raised Sir, the project is already at an implementation stage. As i stated before; the Chinese, Pakistan and Iran will provide $500 million each to raise $1.5 billion. Its not a question of building the pipeline or not, the question is whether the gas will flow or not?

                              Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                              And if Nawaz Sharif gets elected into power his close ties with the Saudis will very likely play into whether or not the pipeline gets pushed to the background, regardless of whether Pakistan can raise the funds or not.
                              Good Day Agno

                              That is a possibility but i wouldn't bet on it. The fact is; there is a common consensus among Pakistanis of all cadres whether political, bureaucrats, military, media or the economic community that the energy crunch needs to end. It is the crippling the economy and making life miserable for the common lot who cannot afford generators. It is not out of goodness of his heart that Zardari pushed through this project, he was facing immense pressure from the landlords and industrialists from his own party to go ahead with this project. Out of all the options Pakistan has, this is by far the cheapest and the most secure one. Cause frankly, even i am sick and tired of pouring diesel into my generators just to light up my home and work, it has pushed our costs up by almost 19%.

                              Hope everything is good on your side
                              Cheers

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