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Shek
18 Feb 12,, 18:54
. . . courtesy of Unconditional Surrender Grant just over 150 years ago. A defining moment in the American Way of War.

http://cwcrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/unconditionalsurrender.jpg

JAD_333
18 Feb 12,, 21:14
Do you suppose Buckner stayed behind with his troops expecting Grant to give him terms as was the custom in those days? Forrest got out of Donaldson with his troops. Surely Buckner could have gotten some out as well.

astralis
22 Feb 12,, 21:19
IIRC buckner and grant were fairly close friends before the war. perhaps that influenced buckner's thinking.

Albany Rifles
25 Feb 12,, 20:11
They were. Buckner, in fact, loaned Grant money back in 1855 when Grant was on the outs.

In return, after the surrender was over at Donelson, Grant asked Buckner did he need money to get home while he was on parole. Buckner refused...he was upset over the terms...which turned out to be pretty lenient when all was said and done.

Shek, thanks for bringing this up. Its one of my favorite places on earth.

JAD_333
25 Feb 12,, 20:43
...after the surrender was over at Donelson, Grant asked Buckner did he need money to get home while he was on parole. Buckner refused...he was upset over the terms...which turned out to be pretty lenient when all was said and done.

What was Buckner expecting in the way of terms that he didn't get?

At Yorktown, the Redcoats got to march out and stack their weapons; officers kept their sidearms and could depart for England; soldiers were detained but allowed to keep their personal possessions.

Albany Rifles
25 Feb 12,, 23:10
What was Buckner expecting in the way of terms that he didn't get?

At Yorktown, the Redcoats got to march out and stack their weapons; officers kept their sidearms and could depart for England; soldiers were detained but allowed to keep their personal possessions.

It was the entire unconditional surrender part. It was considered ungentlemany per the Napoleonic idea of war. You would offer the surrendering force the "honors of war". Sam Grant didnt give a damn for the niceties of war.

Get it done and get it over was his point of view.