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Doktor
13 Dec 11,, 17:54
STORY (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/europe/belgium-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) HIGHLIGHTS

* Belgium's royals and prime minister arrive in Liege to meet those affected by the attack
* Two teenagers, a woman and the attacker are dead, with 75 injured, prosecutor in Liege says
* The 33-year-old gunman left his home in Liege carrying firearms and grenades, the prosecutor says
* The attack was in a busy square where crowds of people were visiting a Christmas market

tankie
13 Dec 11,, 18:03
RIP how can these people be stopped ,sadly it has to be WORLDWIDE arms control , im pissed off at the UKs controls , but things must tighten up worldwide and stiffer penalties for blackmarket dealers/buyers ,The topic has been debated here a few times as I know ,,, but how did the cnut have access to grenades if not B/mkt :mad:

Mihais
13 Dec 11,, 18:17
If one is willing he can get anything.He could have stolen,bought on the black market or simply made them.
As for stoping them,no other way than a bullet in the head,if one citizen is armed,trained and pays attention to the surroundings.

tankie
13 Dec 11,, 18:27
If one is willing he can get anything.He could have stolen,bought on the black market or simply made them.
As for stoping them,no other way than a bullet in the head,if one citizen is armed,trained and pays attention to the surroundings.

Wont work mate , that's what police are for and apart from one on every street corner/shop doorway its impossible ,even if there was that scenario a grenade lobbed is already armed , too late to blow the wankers last remaining brain cell out .

One thing tho , he blew his own skull to bits , saves on expensive trials n human rights wankers etc wanting to make excuses to keep him alive like that turd in Norway .

Mihais
13 Dec 11,, 18:42
Nothing is 100% foolproof.Death comes 1000 ways.

mustavaris
13 Dec 11,, 18:43
UK and Belgium have very strict gun laws, the citizen are not allowed to protect themselves while the criminal gangs are well armed. So duck and cover, in a Social Democracy your life is at the mercy of the criminals and the state. Get along with both and if you are lucky enough to not get killed in random wacko incident like this, you should do fine.

Seriously speaking: no amount of gun control short of totalitarian system is enough, and then I can, without serious effort imagine a dozen ways to kill at least as many as this scumbag did. No firearms or grenades needed.

Tankie; your argument about the armed grenade pretty much negates the police too.

tankie
13 Dec 11,, 19:18
UK and Belgium have very strict gun laws, the citizen are not allowed to protect themselves while the criminal gangs are well armed. So duck and cover, in a Social Democracy your life is at the mercy of the criminals and the state. Get along with both and if you are lucky enough to not get killed in random wacko incident like this, you should do fine.

Seriously speaking: no amount of gun control short of totalitarian system is enough, and then I can, without serious effort imagine a dozen ways to kill at least as many as this scumbag did. No firearms or grenades needed.

Tankie; your argument about the armed grenade pretty much negates the police too.

That's exactly what I implied mate when I said its thrown armed , no amount of police are gonna stop it , or are you reading me wrong /or me you ????????

USSWisconsin
13 Dec 11,, 19:32
I don't know of any place that grenades are legal for civilian use. Grenades aren't rocket science, they are pretty simple devices. Criminals break laws anyway - I don't see the solution to this - this bastard wanted to kill people, it is fortunate if he died too.
RIP to the victims.

mustavaris
13 Dec 11,, 21:01
I understood that you are also against private gun carrying (in order to be able to defend oneself).


That's exactly what I implied mate when I said its thrown armed , no amount of police are gonna stop it , or are you reading me wrong /or me you ????????

mustavaris
13 Dec 11,, 21:01
Six dead, over 120 wounded... many in serious condition.

R.I.P.

mustavaris
13 Dec 11,, 21:02
Hand grenades are very available in Europe if you have criminal connections. They confiscate them almost all the time..


I don't know of any place that grenades are legal for civilian use. Grenades aren't rocket science, they are pretty simple devices. Criminals break laws anyway - I don't see the solution to this - this bastard wanted to kill people, it is fortunate if he died too.
RIP to the victims.

tankie
13 Dec 11,, 21:50
I understood that you are also against private gun carrying (in order to be able to defend oneself).

Ahhh sorry pal , nooooo im all for it ,however authorities have to reduce ownership worldwide whether I like it or not , i was pissed off when my guns had to be handed in in the UK because of Hungerford and the like , the only gun toters now in the UK are criminals , not that people here carried guns for protection , neither does the normal cop , its left to SWAT teams , Im sorry for any confusion caused matey ;) And I just knowwwwwwwwwwww the yanks are gonna pull me up on this one :biggrin:

bigross86
13 Dec 11,, 22:00
If I could, I'd like to make a suggestion based on previous threads in the same vein. Let's keep this thread on topic. All discussions about gun control and everything else should be in new threads dedicated to the topic. Let's keep this one focused on the attack, and most importantly, offer our condolences to those hurt and lost in this dreadful attack

Red Team
13 Dec 11,, 22:01
It bothers me that while the modern world continues to tote safety under the law, these things are still allowed to happen. Just goes to show the power of free will, when used in the worst possible way. My condolences to those affected.

"Cum Catapultae Proscriptae Erunt Tum Soli Proscripti Catapultas Habebunt."

Tarek Morgen
13 Dec 11,, 22:31
If I could, I'd like to make a suggestion based on previous threads in the same vein. Let's keep this thread on topic. All discussions about gun control and everything else should be in new threads dedicated to the topic. Let's keep this one focused on the attack, and most importantly, offer our condolences to those hurt and lost in this dreadful attack

Agreed. Limit the discussion here on the crime itself. Gun laws are a valid and important topic, but they don't belong in this thread. If you wish to discuss them, feel free to open another thread in the appropriate forum.

dave lukins
13 Dec 11,, 23:50
A dreadful crime at any time but during the festive season and at the supposed time of goodwill to all men this is particularly atrocious. Deepest condolences to the family of the dead and injured.

Tanker
13 Dec 11,, 23:58
One of my closest friends, more like a brother than anything, is one of the police dispatchers that took the calls from the dying and wounded. He was very angry because he couldn't do anything while he heard the firing.

tankie
14 Dec 11,, 00:23
Agreed. Limit the discussion here on the crime itself. Gun laws are a valid and important topic, but they don't belong in this thread. If you wish to discuss them, feel free to open another thread in the appropriate forum.

Yes Tarek / BR im guilty of associating a point whereby I said how can we stop this which as usual overflowed but which is still relevant to the thread .

Debate away , im thro , merry xmas / ramadam . /hanuka / or whatever floats boats in the knitting circle .

lemontree
14 Dec 11,, 03:22
UK and Belgium have very strict gun laws, the citizen are not allowed to protect themselves while the criminal gangs are well armed. So duck and cover, in a Social Democracy your life is at the mercy of the criminals and the state.
We have the same problem in India too. Recently, there have been a couple of cases where men have lost their lives trying to prevent women from getting harassed by goons. The goons had guns.

Double Edge
14 Dec 11,, 03:45
I'd say this is more akin to the usual bomb attacks we've had over the last decade, deaths in the low tens after 2005. This one has fewer still and appears desperate and therefore primitive in comparison, the perps don't kill themselves here.

We've not had any grenade attacks yet save for in Kashmir. And i kinda doubt we ever will because the numbers ain't worth it.

BD1
14 Dec 11,, 05:17
rip

mustavaris
14 Dec 11,, 17:03
Oki doki, got it - hadnt slept too much the day before.. :)... did they compensate for the confiscation of the property?


Ahhh sorry pal , nooooo im all for it ,however authorities have to reduce ownership worldwide whether I like it or not , i was pissed off when my guns had to be handed in in the UK because of Hungerford and the like , the only gun toters now in the UK are criminals , not that people here carried guns for protection , neither does the normal cop , its left to SWAT teams , Im sorry for any confusion caused matey ;) And I just knowwwwwwwwwwww the yanks are gonna pull me up on this one :biggrin:

mustavaris
14 Dec 11,, 17:14
Thatīs the ordinary story... I am inclined to think that the governments just like the power to control the people and have them at their mercy..


We have the same problem in India too. Recently, there have been a couple of cases where men have lost their lives trying to prevent women from getting harassed by goons. The goons had guns.

snapper
16 Dec 11,, 09:28
There was a similar-ish nutcase in Italy: Florence gunman shoots Senegalese street vendors dead | World news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/florence-gunman-shoots-street-vendors)