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  • F-14D vs F-22

    Who would win if 6 F-14Ds with six Phoenix AAMs each were pitted against 4 F-22 Raptors with six AMRAAMs and 2 AIM9Xs each?

  • #2
    If you took away the F-22's stealth, the F-14's would probably win if the F-22's were far away. If it was up close or if the F-22's had stealth (which they do) the F-22's would win.
    "The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man

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    • #3
      Yes but you see the F-14 (or any other plane) is going to have a hard time getting a lock in the first place.
      "The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man

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      • #4
        By the time F22 is commissioned maybe f14 would be phased out
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        • #5
          F-22 is in service now.

          F-14 does not embark AMRAAM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sniper
            F-22 is in service now
            From when & in what no.s ?
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            • #7
              There were 51 Raptors finished as of April 15, which means that there are 53 or 54 now. Full rate production was approved last month.

              They are divided between the 43rd FS at Tyndall, which handles qualification and maintenance training, the 422nd TES at Nellis, which is responsible for testing and developing tactics, and the 27th FS at Langley, which will be the first operational combat squadron. IOC for the Langley squadron is scheduled for December 2005. There are a few Raptors at Langley on loan from Nellis and Tyndall.

              The F-14's won't be completely phased out until late 2006.
              "We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008

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              • #8
                <insert aircraft name here> doesn't stand a chance against the raptor. It'd be like a Mustang going up against a Sabre.
                F/A-18E/F Super Hornet: The Honda Accord of fighters.

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                • #9
                  It would actually be a worse mismatch than that IMO.

                  A mustang could at least get eyeballs on a Sabre, and can outturn an F-86(not that that matters anywhere near as much as people make it out to).

                  An F-22 can outturn pretty much anything, and will kill you before you even see it.

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                  • #10
                    Guys whats the mid-term appraisal of Raports. And has there been any excerises of F-22 within or with other AF & whats the results if any?
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                    • #11
                      In exercizes against USAF F-16s and F-15Cs, the F-22 has been almost invincible.

                      I posted an article on that some months ago i believe.

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                      • #12
                        There have been no excercizes with foreign air forces, and I wouldn't look for any if I was you. We have no need to show off the Raptor in combat excercizes unnecessarily. It'll be Air Shows and Fly-By's only.

                        AFAIK, the Raptor has lost only one DACT engagement, and that was after the Raptor broke off the BVR engagement and was returning to base. Lol, an F-16 came up and got him with a gun shot. I think the F-16 driver was getting tired of getting killed.

                        The F/A-22 has pretty much sailed through IOT&E with flying colors. Well over 7,000 hours of testing and only one airframe lost. All of the initial A2A weapons certifications are done, and testing on A2G (SDB) is underway. Weapons releases have been done under conditions never before attempted, supersonic high-G launches during rolls, high-alpha, etc. The the launcher ejects the missile at something like 40G's, so the Raptor can fire it's missiles anywhere in the flight envelope.

                        The were two early problems with the FBW and computers that are now resolved. One AC had a very hard landing caused by a software problem- the AC pitched up too quickly when the AC entered ground effect, which started an oscillation that ended up with the AC on the ground with a collapsed nosegear, but it was repaired and returned to service.

                        Another incident occurred during a refeuling, supposedly a computer glitch of some sort caused a reboot, and the AC went into about a 15 or 20 second uncontrolled oscillation which went from +9.7 to -11G's. That AC also sustained some damage, also repaired and returned to service. Lol, that must have been a pretty wild ride.

                        All of the existing AC have been given the new tape, so these things shouldn't happen again.

                        There was a minor hot spot problem with the RAM paint between the vertical fins at high mach numbers, a small area about the size of a .50 cent piece was getting burned away. That has been fixed with a new adhesive.

                        That's about it for problems, pretty damn good for a brand new AC as advanced as the F-22. Basically the Raptor has met or exceeded every requirement with ease. The pilots sure seem to be happy.

                        The F119 is an absolute beast, PW has a hard time keeping the thrust below 40,000 on the test bench. 42,000-43,000 is typical. This is by far the best fighter jet engine in the world, and that is no BS. They really came up with an incredible piece of hardware here.

                        The new Raptors coming off the line are getting the first major radar upgrade, the APG-77(V)1, which is based on the second generation APG-81 AESA of the JSF. It has an advanced SAR mode for ground attack.

                        The production rate is at 2 per month right now, and that will bump up to 3 per month as full rate production spins up.
                        "We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the info highsea.
                          Whats the per unit cost of F-22 (50 odd now in USAF) & what will be of remaining 150 odd that are in pipeline.

                          How good is EF2000 against the Raptor?
                          Hala Madrid!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by indianguy4u
                            Thanks for the info highsea.
                            Whats the per unit cost of F-22 (50 odd now in USAF) & what will be of remaining 150 odd that are in pipeline.

                            How good is EF2000 against the Raptor?
                            Full production planes should come in at around $100 million. As for the Eurofighter, it has the same problem that every other aircraft has. It can't lock on at BVR ranges. By the time it's able to get a lock on, the Raptor had time to take a second AMRAAM shot if the first missed. Once you get in close the Raptor
                            is now picnic either. It's able to turn with the Eurofighter by its far 70-80,000lbs of thrust gives an advantage there.
                            F/A-18E/F Super Hornet: The Honda Accord of fighters.

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                            • #15
                              Here are some more fighter vs fighter possibilities. Not that any of these may or may not happen, their just examples.

                              2 F22 vs 6 SU37 terminator
                              4 F15 vs 4 F14
                              5 F14 vs 5 terminator
                              5 F14 vs 5 SU30mki
                              4 F35 vs 6 EF2000
                              5 EF2000 vs 5 SU30mki/SU37
                              mig29 vs su37

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