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    Standard and Poor’s on Friday downgraded the nation’s top-notch triple-A credit rating, the first downgrade in U.S. history and a dramatic vote of no-confidence in the world’s largest economy and its political leadership.

    “We have lowered our long-term sovereign credit rating on the United States of America to ‘AA+’ from ‘AAA,’” S&P said in a statement.

    “The downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.”

    The ratings agency offered a blistering view of Washington partisanship, adding that “we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy.”

    S&P had notified the White House earlier Friday that it planned the downgrade, a senior administration official told POLITICO. The White House challenged the agency’s analysis and said it was off by at least $2 trillion dollars. S & P agreed to withhold a final decision and take another look, the official said.

    S&P officials had spent time at the Treasury Department this week, and administration officials were prepared for an announcement to be made after the market close on Friday.

    President Barack Obama and congressional leaders had hoped this week’s deal to raise the debt ceiling would stave off any downgrading of the U.S. credit rating – but Standard and Poor’s had left open the door to a downgrade if the final deal didn’t reach budget cuts of $4 trillion. The final deal would cut at least $2.1 trillion over 10 years.

    Rumors of a downgrade filtered through a volatile stock market, causing the Dow Jones Industrial average to swing by 416 points as it teetered between losses and gains to close the day up slightly by 0.54 percent.

    The possibility of a downgrade overwhelmed the initial surge caused by a government report showing the economy had added 117,000 jobs in July, beating analyst expectations.

    With U.S. household net worth totaling about $58 trillion and the national debt slightly more than $14 trillion, the country has the resources to honor its debt, indicating that a downgrade would be a commentary on the sharp political divisions splitting Washington.

    House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) was not made aware of a possible downgrade, according to his staff. Other congressional sources indicated they were not notified of the potential downgrade.

    The timing of the downgrade, late on a Friday night, means markets will have two days to digest the news, meaning any reaction Monday should be limited.

    Government officials were more worried about initial negative headlines surrounding the downgrade than the content of the report or its long-term impact.

    In the end, S&P’s views on Treasuries, the most well understood securities, are not expected to have a major impact on investor sentiment toward the U.S.

    S&P had previously warned that failure to reach a sufficient compromise on slashing the deficit would risk a downgrade. It indicated that the country needed to trim deficits over the next decade by roughly $4 trillion.

    On July 14, the firm placed the country on “CreditWatch Negative,” stating there was a 50 percent chance it would cut the long-term rating in the next 90 days.

    After weeks of tense bargaining between the White House and Republican lawmakers, an agreement was finalized Tuesday that increased the U.S. debt ceiling as part of a package to cut more than $2.1 trillion from future budget deficits.

    As part of the deal, a bipartisan super congressional committee would try to carve out at least $1.2 trillion in deficit savings by Thanksgiving. If Congress rejects the committee’s plan, automatic spending cuts would be triggered.

    The credit agencies Moody’s and Fitch affirmed the government’s platinum rating on Tuesday, though both firms cautioned that a downgrade could occur if the next rounds in deficit cuts prove unsatisfactory.

    A single downgrade could have little bearing on the market. But a move by all three main ratings agencies would likely force huge investment funds that must hold only the safest of bonds to sell en masse. The scary headlines associated with a first-in-history downgrade also could further spook investors after the market downturn this week.

    The consequences of a downgrade by all three agencies could spread through the economy over several months, with Wall Street analysts predicting that it would add $100 billion a year in interest payments on the national debt. By way of comparison, the annual cost of funding the war in Afghanistan is $120 billion.

    Borrowing costs could also shoot up for homeowners with mortgages and students paying for college with loans, two crucial components of the economy that have relied on government support. Cities, states and businesses tied to the government could also face higher interest rates on their debt.

    U.S. credit rating downgraded - Josh Boak and Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com
    Last edited by Julie; 06 Aug 11,, 02:29.

  • #2
    We're making alot of "the first in history" headlines lately aren't we?

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    • #3
      They left out the part where their baseline calcs are off by a couple trillion too.

      -dale

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dalem View Post
        They left out the part where their baseline calcs are off by a couple trillion too.

        -dale
        "But when you’re $14 trillion in the hole and set to add $6 trillion more by the end of the decade, what’s $2 trillion, really? A deadbeat’s a deadbeat." ;)

        But isn't this one of the same credit rating agencies that rated all of those mortgages that turned out to be toxic? Hmmmm?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dalem View Post
          They left out the part where their baseline calcs are off by a couple trillion too.

          -dale
          A friend of mine in the financial industry sent me a Wall St Journal article that cited the $2 trn "error," and asked my opinion. Here's what I wrote (the quotes are from the article, which I don't have)---

          Here we go again. Smart folks all over the world can see exactly what went wrong, and why. Narrow-visioned congress critters can’t see beyond the next election or opinion poll. I can only hope that voters understand the origins and causes of this recession.

          Yes, we’re back in recession but like the invasion, destruction and occupation of Iraq, this one is purely elective, purely avoidable. The pain will be deep. Emergency 99-week unemployment insurance runs out in January, and we have more people who have been out of work for 6 months or more than at any time since the 1930s.

          We also have a zero chance of passing an economic stimulus package. That is new and different; never before has Congress and the Administration left it entirely up to the Fed to pull the economy out of recession. And, with only QE3 to play with, this is going to be bloody.

          “Around 1:30 p.m., S&P officials notified the Treasury Department they planned to downgrade U.S. debt, and presented the government with their findings. But Treasury officials noticed a $2 trillion error in S&P's math that delayed an announcement for several hours.”
          Two TRILLION dollar error? Are these the same guys who told us Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and AIG were just hunky dory? Why oh why do we still care what they think?

          “the U.S. will be forced to pay higher interest rates, perhaps about 0.5 percentage points, simply because they are seen as being slightly more risky than before.”
          If my math is right, that’s an extra $90 billion a year. That is the minimum direct cost-to-taxpayers of the recent political machinations.

          As a result of the downgrade, a few money-market funds might have to liquidate some of their Treasury holdings if they have tight rules about owning AAA-rated assets, but most aren't expected to be affected. Banks and insurers are unlikely have to hold significantly more capital against their Treasury holdings, though they could see their own bond ratings suffer.”
          The big unknown. Will those who actually own the money be willing to continue to accept T-bills as collateral? Will regulators look the other way as various funds hold less-that-AAA paper?

          Stay tuned, and stay liquid.
          Trust me?
          I'm an economist!

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          • #6
            DOR,

            Is it true that banks in a given nation can't have a credit rating higher than the central bank? If so, would this be a problem for any US banks - what might it mean.
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            • #7
              This may change in 2012. I think Americans as reflected by the president's approval 46 percent and Congresses approval 14 percent want some level of consensus goverment. We had real oppurtunities to address the future debt in a meaninfful way but when one side says agreeing not to send the country into default and a depression is compromise it becomes impossible to govern. We blew an oppurtunity to knock 4 trillion off that future debt.
              Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
              ~Ronald Reagan

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              • #8
                John Chambers, the head of sovereign ratings at S&P, told CNN that the political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling proved to be a key issue, with "the U.S. government getting to the last day before they had cash-management problems."

                Few governments separate the budget process from the debt-authorization process as the United States does, he noted.

                And, though the budget deal that finally was reached will deliver at least $2.1 trillion in savings over the next decade, that will not suffice, he said. "It's going to be difficult to get beyond that -- at least in the near term -- and you do need to get beyond that to get to a point where the debt-to-GDP ratio is going to stabilize."

                Asked who was to blame, Chambers said, "This is a problem that's been a long time in the making -- well over this administration, the prior administration."

                Congress should shoulder some of the blame, he said. "The first thing it could have done is to have raised the debt celining in a timely manner so that much of this debate had been avoided to begin with, as it had done 60 or 70 times since 1960 without that much debate."
                why it happened in a nutshell. More than a few folks were clamoring for defualt and it got noticed.Questions abound after agency downgrades U.S. credit rating - CNN.com
                Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                ~Ronald Reagan

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                • #9
                  In the actual S&P release one of the reasons given is the new assumption all the Bush taxcuts will stay in place because of "republican" refusal to look at revenue increases. It's the only time a political party is mentioned in the release. Evidently part of the reason we remained triple A was a belief the adults would take over and end taxcuts which were ALWAYS projected to be unsustainable. At what point do we admit unsustainable means unaffordable?
                  Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                  ~Ronald Reagan

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
                    At what point do we admit unsustainable means unaffordable?
                    At a point when the world dumps the dollar as a reserve currency, OPEC dumps the dollar, debt is north of 150%, US stock market shuts down, while the privileged few just move their businesses elsewhere and relocate with their families in private jets leaving behind a tattered country they have successfully sucked dry. Sadly, the unfortunate majority that do not have the privilege to relocate will be left to pick up the mess.

                    Two things are going to destroy the union: wanton capitalism and national socialist agenda.

                    Now that i have got it out of my chest, i will duck for cover!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zinja View Post
                      Two things are going to destroy the union: wanton capitalism and national socialist agenda.
                      The US does seem to pick the worst of both systems.

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                      • #12
                        We have a republic in part as a soloution to Plato's critism of democracy. The problem we face today is the mob got elected because of the near depression of 2008. With the updated numbers on the massive slide in gdp we have now that we don't have 15 percent unemployment is a blessing. 10 years of growth was wiped out in 2008. We would of been better off w/o all that high end tax cut money flooding wall st. looking for returns.
                        Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                        ~Ronald Reagan

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                        • #13
                          Bigfella,

                          Is it true that banks in a given nation can't have a credit rating higher than the central bank? If so, would this be a problem for any US banks - what might it mean.
                          We’ll have to ask some of the financial types for clarification.

                          I know that some rating agencies will not give a higher rating to a company / financial institution that is regulated / hosted by a government with a lower credit rating, but I think others will. So, Hang Lung Bank wouldn’t get a higher rating than Hong Kong Government (not that HLB deserves it, of course).
                          Trust me?
                          I'm an economist!

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