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siddharth
23 May 11,, 13:04
It's proven that ISI has a role to play in so many terrorist attacks in India.
Wikileaks recently proved that ISI had a major role to play in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. See this link: 2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks)
Apart from this, I've read it on Wikipedia that ISI was and has been sheltering many terrorists and providing continuous financial support to these terrorist organisations.
And on the other side, the U.S. is conducting normal meetings with senior ISI officials and Shuja Pasha is being named at 18 in the most powerful persons list by Forbes. If there is so much proof, I'm surprised the U.S. and Pakistan aren't banning and arresting them.
AND I DON'T WANT ANY INDIAN AND PAKISTANI PEOPLE TO START FIGHTING HERE LIKE NOOBS.

Doktor
23 May 11,, 13:25
Wiki? Wow, some very, very, trustworthy source.

Even if all that is true, there must be something ISI and Pakistan in general are doing/have that covers all their underground activities.

When I think again, Chile comes to my mind where CIA supported Pinoche, but noone stopped cooperating with them ;) Honor among thieves?

nvishal
23 May 11,, 13:47
@siddharth
The world will not turn benevolent suddenly. The UN will not turn benevolent suddenly.

Nor did the US turn benevolent suddenly. It didn't land in afg to free mother earth from taliban rule. The future of afg has security implications on US homeland.

Its everyone for themselves.

notorious_eagle
23 May 11,, 14:13
There is absolutely no proof that ISI or the State of Pakistan were behind the attacks on 26/11, its mere speculation.

siddharth
23 May 11,, 20:45
There is absolutely no proof that ISI or the State of Pakistan were behind the attacks on 26/11, its mere speculation.
Follow this link: Inter-Services Intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence) and read under the intelligence operations history heading.
Wikipedia doesn't state any information that is not verified. You can see verifications in the references at the end of the page. If any information can't be verified, you can see [citation needed] beside it
No more proof can be required to ban ISI.

notorious_eagle
23 May 11,, 22:18
Follow this link: Inter-Services Intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence) and read under the intelligence operations history heading.
Wikipedia doesn't state any information that is not verified. You can see verifications in the references at the end of the page. If any information can't be verified, you can see [citation needed] beside it
No more proof can be required to ban ISI.

Honestly, a Wikipedia link. Anyone can go and change the contents of the article. There is no concrete proof that ISI was behind the Mumbai attacks, mere speculations by individuals. Just like there is speculation that RAW's foot prints are quite visible in causing unrest in Balochistan, there is proof but no concrete proof.

The leak said, Anne W Patterson the then ambassador to Pakistan had in a wire to the Washington mentioned that Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) and other investigators had insufficient evidence for prosecution against Lashkar-e-Tayyiba’s Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, Zarar Shah and Mazhar Iqbal Alqama.

Patterson said that FIA was forced, as a result of political pressure, to arrest and charge the three LeT leaders and that FIA was still without solid evidence to begin a formal trial.

http://thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=15814

1980s
23 May 11,, 22:57
There is absolutely no proof that ISI or the State of Pakistan were behind the attacks on 26/11, its mere speculation.

It not speculation. David Headley has testified in court that he was trained by a Pakistani terrorist group (LeT) that this group has a relationship with the ISI, and that a Pakistani agent paid him.

zraver
23 May 11,, 23:38
The fire companies are standing by, if the flames come out your all getting soaked.

667medic
24 May 11,, 04:27
There is absolutely no proof that ISI or the State of Pakistan were behind the attacks on 26/11, its mere speculation.

I wouldn't say that from now on. Are you following the trial in Chicago.....

667medic
24 May 11,, 04:30
It's proven that ISI has a role to play in so many terrorist attacks in India.
Wikileaks recently proved that ISI had a major role to play in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. See this link: 2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks)
Apart from this, I've read it on Wikipedia that ISI was and has been sheltering many terrorists and providing continuous financial support to these terrorist organisations.
And on the other side, the U.S. is conducting normal meetings with senior ISI officials and Shuja Pasha is being named at 18 in the most powerful persons list by Forbes. If there is so much proof, I'm surprised the U.S. and Pakistan aren't banning and arresting them.
AND I DON'T WANT ANY INDIAN AND PAKISTANI PEOPLE TO START FIGHTING HERE LIKE NOOBS.

Seriously man, how old are you. When a thief is trying to rob your house would you try to kick his ass yourself or cry for a very very distant neighbor. The ISI won't stop until you make it costly for them like what was done in the past with respect to Khalistan issue............

vsdoc
24 May 11,, 06:27
The ISI won't stop until you make it costly for them

So how do you think that's going currently based on Pakistan post 26/11?

667medic
24 May 11,, 09:11
So how do you think that's going currently based on Pakistan post 26/11?

I don't know, but it is well known that Gujral defanged RAW's capability in Pakistan and then Vajpayee was unwilling to restart the network. Whatever is happening in Pakistan is their own making...

vsdoc
24 May 11,, 09:57
I don't know, but it is well known that Gujral defanged RAW's capability in Pakistan and then Vajpayee was unwilling to restart the network. Whatever is happening in Pakistan is their own making...

Sure. I've heard the same assessment by G Parthasarthy on national TV. So it must be true ...

nvishal
24 May 11,, 11:02
It takes two to tango. If we refuse to play with them, they'll find someone among themselves to play with. India gets hit at some interval but they get hit most of the times. That is the price they pay for radicalising their population against india for several decades. I think gujral understood that and he refused to play this game.

Vinod2070
24 May 11,, 12:41
I wouldn't say that from now on. Are you following the trial in Chicago.....

Hopefully this will remove the thin cloak of deniability.

qnextt
07 Mar 12,, 23:31
Is ISI on the List of Terrorist Organizations assembled by the US State Dept. ??

If not, maybe some concerned individuals could initiate the necessary procedures to get it investigated for possible inclusion.

Just a thought.

omon
08 Mar 12,, 03:04
Is ISI on the List of Terrorist Organizations assembled by the US State Dept. ??

If not, maybe some concerned individuals could initiate the necessary procedures to get it investigated for possible inclusion.

Just a thought.

i,m sure us state dept has it on some kind of list not available to public.

TopHatter
08 Mar 12,, 05:20
There is absolutely no proof that ISI or the State of Pakistan were behind the attacks on 26/11, its mere speculation.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. :rolleyes:

And, let me guess, there is absolutely no proof that it was Pakistanis that committed the acts in the first place, right?

qnextt
09 Mar 12,, 03:41
I'm sure us state dept has it on some kind of list not available to the public.
Why would the list be not available to the public? What list is that?

As I know, the State Department's information on this topic is available on their website. Wiki also has a detailed article about the list, with relevant links. See --

U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations
U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._State_Department_list_of_Foreign_Terrorist_Or ganizations)

Stitch
09 Mar 12,, 05:24
Wow. Are you serious? Do you know ANYTHING about politics? Didn't the big Wikileaks scandal last year tell you ANYTHING about what is and is not (normally) made public? If we actually started putting countries on a list that WAS available to the public, we would a.) alienate (I know, big word) half of them, and b.) lose all credibility with the other half.

There are two sides to ALL international political relationships: the public side, and the private side. I'm guessing about 75% of the REAL work takes place on the private side; the public only gets to see (or hear about) the 25% that works. Ever heard of a guy named Prince Bandar bin Sultan? He was the Saudi ambassador to the US for a couple of decades; I would say 90% of his effectiveness came about from things that the public NEVER knew about, and may never know.

The world of international politics is almost as murky as the world of international espionage, just a little nicer (sometimes); the only list you'll see is the list they WANT you to see.

omon
10 Mar 12,, 02:36
I'm afraid he is serious, that is the saddest part

snapper
10 Mar 12,, 12:14
There's a long list of reasons why we shouldn't act against the ISI but as a general rule and not related to the ISI particularly; you don't call someone your enemy until you have to.