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Ironduke
02 Oct 03,, 01:10
Libertarian group chooses New Hampshire as 'free state'

Mass migration planned

Wednesday, October 1, 2003 Posted: 1:55 PM EDT (1755 GMT)


CONCORD, New Hampshire (AP) -- A group of libertarians Wednesday announced New Hampshire as the place where it hopes to send 20,000 Americans to create a "free state."

New Hampshire, whose motto is "Live Free or Die," beat out nine other finalists for the Free State Project. Wyoming was runner-up but 10 percentage points behind New Hampshire in balloting conducted by about 5,000 members of the project around the country, Project Vice President Elizabeth McKinstry said.

The 5,000 members have already pledged to relocate to the selected state, Free State Project organizers say. They hope to increase their numbers to 20,000 within two years, move to the chosen state, and start transforming the state into a national model for small government, few laws and individual liberty.

"We won. That's fantastic," said New Hampshire Libertarian Party Chairman John Babiarz. "It's like New Hampshire has won a nationwide popularity contest based on its fundamentals."

McKinstry of Ann Arbor, Michigan, said New Hampshire won because it "boasts the lowest state and local tax burden in the continental U.S., the leanest state government in the country ... a citizen legislature, a healthy job market, and perhaps most important, local support for our movement," she said.

Project members also like the state's constitution, which protects the rights to revolution and secession.

The prospective new neighbors worry some New Hampshire residents.

Kathy Sullivan, state Democratic Party chairwoman, said project members "can best be described as anarchists."

Babiarz said critics have it wrong.

"We're not here to invade or take over. We're here to restore the American dream," said Babiarz, a database consultant.

Some free-staters want to roll back restrictions on gambling, legalize medicinal marijuana and strengthen gun rights. But McKinstry said members also will work for charities and scholarship programs and help citizens take back their government.

Doug Hillman, 39, said he is looking forward to leaving Graham, Alabama, and moving his wife and four young children somewhere near Littleton or Lancaster.

Hillman was most impressed with Republican Gov. Craig Benson's attitude toward the project -- "Come on up, we'd love to have you," he said last summer.

"That led me to believe that libertarian thought and libertarianism is more accepted in New Hampshire," Hillman said.

Following second-place Wyoming in the voting, in order, were Montana, Idaho, Alaska, Maine, Vermont, Delaware, South Dakota and North Dakota.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/01/free.state.ap/index.html

Praxus
02 Oct 03,, 01:23
Cool, to bad they are the Hippies of the Right.

Blackclaw
02 Oct 03,, 01:45
""Hippies, hippies...they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!" - Eric Cartman

tw-acs
02 Oct 03,, 18:30
How do you make a connection between Libertarians and Hippies?

That seems like an assinine claim to make since the hippies were persons with radical ideas in the 60's and 70's. With few persons of today claiming themselves to be hippies.

I think your responses to this thread are not thought out and do not have any validity.

I think this movement of 20,000 persons to New Hampshire is a great political stategy to get the libertatrians heard. Not that I agree with libertarians on most issues but that it is a plan that may work.

Gio
02 Oct 03,, 20:01
Awesome Idea.

Stinger
02 Oct 03,, 20:40
Originally posted by tw-acs
That seems like an assinine claim to make since the hippies were persons with radical ideas in the 60's and 70's. With few persons of today claiming themselves to be hippies.
yes sometime good things do happen... the Hippies are nearly extinct.

Praxus
02 Oct 03,, 21:46
How do you make a connection between Libertarians and Hippies?

That seems like an assinine claim to make since the hippies were persons with radical ideas in the 60's and 70's. With few persons of today climing themselves to be hippies.

I think your responses to this thread are not thought out and do not have any validity.

I think this movement of 20,000 persons to New Hampshire is a grweat political stategy to get the libertatrians heard. Not that I agree with libertariants on most issues but that it is a plan that may work.

LOL, I was refering to them being against war in almost all circumstances. if you can't fiqure that our you either know nothing about Libertarianism or you want to act like your intelligent.

tw-acs
02 Oct 03,, 23:31
Read your last post.

You have no grounds to speak of ones intelligence.

If you don't say what you mean people do not know. Therefore it is very important to be very concise and clear with what you are saying. If you don't you allow for persons to read your posts and misinterpret your ideas becuase your words are not clear.

Praxus
02 Oct 03,, 23:38
Libertarians are commonly refered to as the Hippies of the Right. It's not my fault you don't know that.

tw-acs
03 Oct 03,, 04:21
I am more mature than to resort to name calling to discredit a political opponent or politcal organization.

Praxus
03 Oct 03,, 20:20
I have MANY beliefs in common with the Libertarian party. I am not trying to discredit them on anything besides their fouriegn policy. I also believe they believe things because they claim it creates "freedom"(most of the time they are right) not because it is morally right, based by an actual phillosophy.

Blackclaw
03 Oct 03,, 20:30
I must admit that I find this slightly creepy. The mass movement of folks with a like minded political philosophy suddenly arrive in a small state to become a powerful voting block. How would you like it if some minority political party suddenly arrived in mass thereby lessening the weight of your vote? Imagine thousands of Socialists suddenly arrive or Democrats... shudder.. :D

Praxus
03 Oct 03,, 20:55
But they aren't Democrats or Socialist, so theres no problem:D

tw-acs
03 Oct 03,, 23:01
That is what democracy does best. Instilling fear in a person because other persons believe something else. That is why we have limits on our democracy and the actions of these libertarians are well within the limits so be afraid. Be very afraid.


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Praxus
04 Oct 03,, 00:10
Your a flaming liberal, why are you pretending to support Libertarianism?

tw-acs
04 Oct 03,, 22:44
Your a flaming liberal, why are you pretending to support Libertarianism?

Praxus

What do you mean by flaming?

I do not pretend to support libertarianism, in fact if you would read my posts you would understand that I disagree with Libertarians on a lot of issues. However I do think the Libertarians plan to move 20,000 people to one state to gain power is a rather clever strategy.

Did you fail reading comprehension in school?

Praxus
04 Oct 03,, 22:54
Flaming I mean that it is extremely obvious.

tw-acs
05 Oct 03,, 01:33
Ok. Well if you were to read my posts it is obvious I am not pretending nor have said i was supporting Libertarians. Though I do think their political strategy to be heard is a well thought out plan. This is all very obivous, especially if you read this post.

2DREZQ
06 Oct 03,, 21:23
How typical, North Dakota can't even get Librarians to move here! What, do they think we can't read? I mean they'd like it, the whole state is QUIET! Oh well, who wants of bunch of card-catalog carrying old ladies moving in next door anyway? All I can say is: SSHHHHH!!!