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  • Turkey issues Israel a veiled threat of war over Cyprus

    ‘Towards an Israeli-Turkish War’

    Thursday, 23 December 2010
    By Gizem YELDAN (JTW)

    ANKARA - Greek Cypriot Government and Israel signed an agreement aiming at facilitating the search for mineral deposits in the east Mediterranean, where huge natural gas reserves have been discovered by a US firm last week. However, the agreement disregards the rights and jurisdiction of Turkish Cypriot State (TRNC).

    Turkey's Foreign Ministry stated that Turkish Cypriots have also rights and jurisdiction over the maritime areas of Cyprus Island. The statement indicated that countries in the regions should not back moves “that would have a negative impact on the comprehensive settlement negotiations” and that “agreements signed by the Greek Cypriots with countries of the region are null and void for Turkey.”

    According to, Ardan Zenturk, a Turkish columnist, Turkey’s attitude is so clear about this issue; “it is impossible to carry out that kind of conventions without a permanent agreement which guarantees Turkish Cypriots’ rights on the island”. “If related companies would attempt to search for natural gas in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) marine space, based on the agreement with Greek Cypriots, they will find Turkish navy against themselves. If Israel would attempt to extract natural gas in this sensitive area, and be unfair against Turkish Cypriots, like it has been doing so in Palestine and Lebanon, a new war in eastern Mediterranean Sea will be inevitable”, he said.

    Cyprus was split into a Greek Cypriot south and a Turkish Cypriot north in 1974 when Turkey sent troops to the island in response to a military coup by supporters of a union with Greece. The island joined the European Union in 2004, but only the internationally recognized south enjoys membership benefits. Though the EU promised to remove isolation over the Turkish Cyprus when the Turks voted ‘yes’ to the UN peace plan, the EU has not keep its words since then. Talks aimed at reunifying the island have produced only limited progress since they began more than two years ago.

    By Gizem YELDAN (JTW)
    23 December 2010
    Just what we needed a territorial dispute. Plain stupidity or new strategy?

  • #2
    it was always an option...now because of Gaza...which is worthless to me...
    Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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    • #3
      "Turkish Cypriots have also rights and jurisdiction over the maritime areas of Cyprus Island": As the Turkish part of Cyprus is only recognised by Turkey (and a few others) I doubt such 'rights' would qualify as 'international law'.

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      • #4
        I am sorry to learn of Turkey's movement from a "friendly" country to being another one of the "threats" in the world. I optimistically hope that this is not the mainstream view point there.
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        • #5
          ochlocracy..it is capable of everything...
          Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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          • #6
            Turkey runs its own oil/gas exhibitions in Greek waters in plain daylight.....what's up with the threats of an all out war?
            Getting too lonely during the Anatolian Eagle war games?
            Wolf Hunter

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            • #7
              ochlocracy..it is capable of everything...
              Hopefully the Turks check it soon.
              To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Big K View Post
                ochlocracy..it is capable of everything...
                If you call the current situation in Turkey an ochlocracy then a majority of the free world must also be an ochlocracy. You deliberately ignore the fact that the AKP has been twice elected to government in elections which were overseen by the EU, USA and UN. The AKP got 47% of the Turkish public vote. Is this not what the ideals of Democracy dictates? The voice of the majority is a democracy. The voice of the minority is a monarchy or dictatorship. Democracy does not mean being an unconditional ally of the western world. Democracy is about freedom, peace, mutual respect and the rule of law.

                I find it quite odd that you find the Turkish Government responsible for protecting it's and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' sovereign rights. Gaza has disputed sovereignty issues as well. Israel does not shy away from murdering 9 Turkish citizens in order to protect Gaza which it believes is its own territory, despite a majority of the world recognising the sovereignty of the State of Palestine over Gaza.

                The Island of Gibraltar has disputed sovereignty as well. The UK and Spain claim sovereign rights over this piece of rock. This did not prevent both countries from becoming members of the EU. Nor did it cause an international show down between the two countries. Why so much international ado about the Island of Cyprus? An Island which belonged to Turkey just only 80 years ago and stolen by the British tenants? An Island which Turkey has rights over through the Treaty of Gurantee? An Island which has a native Turkish population which faced extermination in the 1970's by EOKA terrorists supported by Greece!

                I think it's about time the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus invites the People's Republic of China to have a Naval presence on the Island in return for recognition or else they are doomed. The EU has made many promises but never delivered. The Turkish Cypriots live in isolation and detached from the International arena despite agreeing to ANAN plan.
                Last edited by denizkuvetleri; 10 Jan 11,, 07:56.

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                • #9
                  Snapper you stated: "Turkish Cypriots have also rights and jurisdiction over the maritime areas of Cyprus Island": As the Turkish part of Cyprus is only recognised by Turkey (and a few others) I doubt such 'rights' would qualify as 'international law".

                  Please bear in mind the following:

                  Sovereignty is independent of recognition: Article 3 of the Montevideo Convention 1933 and Opinion delivered by the European Economic Community Opinions of the Badinter Arbitration Committee.

                  Turkey's intervention in Cyprus has been recognized as legal by the Council of Europe and the Supreme Court of Greece (Athens Court of Appeals, Case No. 2658/79).

                  See Turkey

                  http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist...-is-legal.html See Paragraph 3 of Resolution 573 (1974) The Council of Europe
                  Last edited by denizkuvetleri; 10 Jan 11,, 08:07.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by denizkuvetleri View Post

                    Sovereignty is independent of recognition: Article 3 of the Montevideo Convention 1933 and Opinion delivered by the European Economic Community Opinions of the Badinter Arbitration Committee.

                    Sorry, but Turkish occupied Cyrpus is not a stateusing the conventions you brought up.

                    You might want to reread them, the use of force to set up a puppet state disqualifies statehood.

                    Article 11,

                    The contracting states definitely establish as the rule of their conduct the precise

                    obligation not to recognize territorial acquisitions or special advantages which have been

                    obtained by force whether this consists in the employment of arms, in threatening diplomatic

                    representations, or in any other effective coercive measure. The territory of a state is

                    inviolable and may not be the object of military occupation nor of other measures of force

                    imposed by another state directly or indirectly or for any motive whatever even temporarily.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by zraver View Post
                      Sorry, but Turkish occupied Cyrpus is not a stateusing the conventions you brought up.

                      You might want to reread them, the use of force to set up a puppet state disqualifies statehood.

                      Article 11,

                      The contracting states definitely establish as the rule of their conduct the precise

                      obligation not to recognize territorial acquisitions or special advantages which have been

                      obtained by force whether this consists in the employment of arms, in threatening diplomatic

                      representations, or in any other effective coercive measure. The territory of a state is

                      inviolable and may not be the object of military occupation nor of other measures of force

                      imposed by another state directly or indirectly or for any motive whatever even temporarily.
                      What happend in Kosovo?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by denizkuvetleri View Post
                        What happend in Kosovo?
                        Read Article 11 carefully, The UN is supranational and not bund by the convention. It was UN adminstered and declared its own indpenednce. Turkish Cyprus is the whole created result of Turkish arms in pursuoit of Turkish aims including a ceasefire violation.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by zraver View Post
                          Read Article 11 carefully, The UN is supranational and not bund by the convention. It was UN adminstered and declared its own indpenednce. Turkish Cyprus is the whole created result of Turkish arms in pursuoit of Turkish aims including a ceasefire violation.
                          Turkey intervened in Cyprus under the Treaty of Gurantee as stated by the Supreme Court of Greece in order to protect the interests of the Turkish Cypriots facing extermination by the EOKA. A terrorist organisation supported by the Junta "Government" in Greece at the time.

                          The Turkish Government handed control of 1/3 of the Island to the Federated Turkish State of Cyprus. The the Federated Turkish State of Cyprus parliament subsequently declared it's independence due to the failure of the Greek Cypriots to recognize it's existence.

                          There is no difference between Kosovo and the TRNC.

                          DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OF THE TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NOTHERN CYPRUS

                          Our Assembly,

                          - Representing the free will of the Turkish Cypriot People; - Believing that all human beings, who are born free and equal, should live in freedom and equality;

                          - Having declared, in its belief, the right of the Turkish Cypriot People to self-determination, by its Resolution of 17 June 1983;

                          - Rejecting discrimination between human beings on grounds of race, national origin, language, religion or any other grounds; and rejecting, also, all forms of colonialism, racism, oppression and domination;

                          - Expressing the hope that peace and stability will prevail and that freedom and human rights will flourish not only in Cyprus, but also in the Eastern Mediterranean, the Middle East and the World at large;

                          - Believing that the two Peoples in Cyprus each has the right to live and govern itself in its own territory in peace and security, and has the right to preserve its own national identity.

                          - Firmly adhering to the view that these two Peoples, who are destined to co- exist side by side on the island, can and must find peaceful, just and durable solutions to the differences between them, through negotiations on the basis of equality;

                          - Firmly convinced that the proclamation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will not hinder but facilitate the re-establishment of the partnership between the two Peoples within a federal framework and will also facilitate the settlement of the problems between them;

                          - Earnestly hoping that negotiations will be carried out, on the basis of equality and under the auspices of the UN Secretary General, with a view to resolving, in a peaceful and conciliatory manner, all the outstanding issues between the two Peoples, and convinced that the proposed Summit Meeting would be useful in this regard;

                          And ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE TURKISH CYPRIOT PEOPLE, Approves the establishment of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Declaration of Independence.

                          Expressing the legitimate and irrepressible will of the Turkish Cypriot People... WE HEREBY DECLARE BEFORE THE WORLD AND BEFORE HISTORY THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS AS AN INDEPENDENT STATE.

                          On this historic day, we reiterate our gratitude to our Martyrs, who sacrificed their lives in order that the Turkish Cypriot people may never again be subjected to servitude under foreign domination and may live in dignity and freedom. May God's mercy be upon our Martyrs.
                          It might be interesting to note that Russia is prepared to recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in return for recognition of South Ossetia by Turkey: Home | Famagusta Gazette Online | Breaking News, Cyprus Issues, Weather

                          Russian Ambassador: 'Russia shall recognise the TRNC right after Turkey recognizes South Ossetia '
                          By Staff Reporter• Tue, Sep 02, 2008

                          Turkish daily Cymhuriyet newspaper has published an interview by the Russian Ambassador to Ankara, Vladimir Ivanovskiy, with Leyla Tavsanoglu on the latest developments in Caucasus, the decision of the Russian Federation to recognise the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the recognition of the illegal regime established in the occupied territories of the Republic of Cyprus.
                          Following are the questions referred to Cyprus:
                          “The Ambassador of the Russian Federation in Ankara, Vladimir Ivanovskiy referring to the recognition of the independence of North Ossetia and Abkhazia by Russia has pointed out that the model of the TRNC could also be applied to the two states.
                          Tavsanoglu: In 1983, the TRNC had announced its independence, yet, no country apart from Turkey recognizes this independence….
                          Ambassador: We are trying to look at the events from a realistic point of view. Of course, we do not consider the recognition to be very easy. We are aware that this procedure will be a difficult one. I want to share with you my personal thought. Perhaps many circles including my ministry shall not accept this point of mine. According to me, there is a change in the way the world order is perceived after World War II. The climate in global developments is changing. This is not launched by Russia. It is NATO that launched this by bombing Yugoslavia. Perhaps we today are following this direction. Indeed, we are not the ones who launched this.
                          …..
                          Subtitle: The example of North Cyprus can apply in the Caucasus region
                          Tavsanoglu: There is one last question. When shall Russia recognize the TRNC?
                          Ambassador: (Smiling) This issue is frequently brought onto the agenda by my colleagues in the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I shall give an answer on this to you as well. Russia shall recognize the TRNC right after Turkey recognizes South Ossetia and Abkhazia. It can be a mutual and simultaneous recognition.”
                          — Copyright © Famagusta Gazette 2008
                          Pakistan, The Gambia and Azerbeijan have also stated the same. The Organisation of the Islamic Conference already recognises the TRNC as a seperate Turkish Cypriot State.
                          Last edited by denizkuvetleri; 10 Jan 11,, 09:53.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by denizkuvetleri View Post
                            I find it quite odd that you find the Turkish Government responsible for protecting it's and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' sovereign rights. Gaza has disputed sovereignty issues as well. Israel does not shy away from murdering 9 Turkish citizens in order to protect Gaza which it believes is its own territory, despite a majority of the world recognising the sovereignty of the State of Palestine over Gaza.
                            You seem to be slightly mistaken, my friend. Israel does not consider Gaza as it's own territory. We know Gaza belongs to the Palestinians. What the Mavi Marmara incident was all about was over running a blockade around Gaza, not "protecting" so called "Israeli territory". Please get your facts straight
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
                              You seem to be slightly mistaken, my friend. Israel does not consider Gaza as it's own territory. We know Gaza belongs to the Palestinians. What the Mavi Marmara incident was all about was over running a blockade around Gaza, not "protecting" so called "Israeli territory". Please get your facts straight
                              PA took partial control in May 1994; full control in September 2005; Hamas control since 2007 (Israel retains control of airspace, non-Egyptian land borders and offshore maritime access while Egypt controls its land border portion). The currency used in Gaza is the INS. Israel does not recognize the sovereignty of Gaza. Gaza has no valid international identity. It is not a member of the UN nor does it have treaties with other countries. Do you call it sovereign?
                              Last edited by denizkuvetleri; 10 Jan 11,, 09:59.

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