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MIKEMUN
24 Aug 10,, 03:33
Aug. 23) -- The Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools, the nation's most expensive public school ever built, is set to open in Los Angeles next month, The Associated Press reports. The school is on the grounds of the former Ambassador Hotel, where Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1968. Portions of the old hotel remain -- the Coconut Grove nightclub has been transformed into an auditorium, the hotel diner has become a teacher's lounge, and the ballroom where Kennedy was shot will be a library.

The school takes a place next to the country's other so-called "Taj Mahal" schools, which all came at a cost of more than $100 million. (The real Taj Mahal, by comparison, cost an estimated 62 million Indian rupees to build at the time, which comes to about $687,286 American, not adjusted for inflation.) Below, Surge Desk takes a look at these costly centers of learning.

1. Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools, Los Angeles
Price: $578 million
Students: 4,200
Size: 452,000 square feet
Amenities: Fine art murals, marble memorial, swimming pool, 19,000-square-foot public park


The Most Expensive Public High Schools in America (http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/the-most-expensive-public-high-schools-in-america/19604820)

gunnut
24 Aug 10,, 07:33
A few hundred million here, a few hundred million there, pretty soon you're talkin' real money. :biggrin:

California's current budget deficit is $20 billion. The state's revenue is somewhere around $100 billion. Where California goes, the nation follows.

Blue
24 Aug 10,, 14:40
Do away with the dept of education and stop federal funding for schools. So easy a cave man could it.......but we won't!

gunnut
24 Aug 10,, 19:35
But public education is a RIGHT!!! I can't find it in the Constitution but I'm sure it's in there somewhere. We just have to look harder.

USSWisconsin
24 Aug 10,, 23:23
"and the ballroom where Kennedy was shot will be a library."
IIRC -- RFK was shot in the Hotel Kitchen - while leaving through the "back door"

highsea
24 Aug 10,, 23:57
Haha, that's one of the lowest performing school districts in the country too. They'll probably graffiti those million dollar murals...

bonehead
25 Aug 10,, 06:29
Is this where they will teach EBONICS?

My area is in desperate need of a new High school as it is already 130% of capacity and all the lower grades are increasing. It would be nice to get a new building, do some shifting and dump some of the....ancient, and inefficient grade schools to lower operating costs but that is already a hard sell. This Californian monstrosity just made it that much harder.

antimony
01 Sep 10,, 07:22
But public education is a RIGHT!!! I can't find it in the Constitution but I'm sure it's in there somewhere. We just have to look harder.

7th/ gunnut,

come one guys, you penny pinch on these costs and you look for years of "discrmination" charges ahead. Public education is one of the few areas which should be supported, just to ensure that everyone gets some sort of minimum level of boost, if nothing else.

A half a billion dollar school is indeed a monstrosity, though

YellowFever
01 Sep 10,, 08:39
Ooooppps....

Forgot about this thread.

So anyway a few days ago, I was sitting in a balcony of a sports bar in Mid-Wilshire waiting for a friend and was on my iphone, just wasting time when I saw this thread.

Had to laugh because the school in question was right in front of me so I thought I'd take a pic with my phone from the vantage point of the bar and share it with you guys since you're all such big fans of this school. :))


Seriously, this school is a joke.

It's smack dab in the middle of the business district of Mid-Wilshire which has massive traffic during business hours and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if an already horrible traffic congestion through here gets much worse at best or kills alot of student at worse.

The picture I took is the front of the school with numerous buildings in the back that you can't see from the pic. The front is mostly finished but the back is still being worked on 24/7. It is appx. 8 blocks in size (the back of the school is much bigger than the front, which you see here here) and it has a huge underground parking lot.

And this is the kicker for you folks that think this school is too excessive....

The 2nd and 3rd on the list of most expensive schools are within 3 miles of this monstrosity...and they've been already spending a fortune getting rid of the graffitti and other vandalism on those schools.

And you begin to wonder why this state....this city is so f*cked up.

YellowFever
01 Sep 10,, 08:46
7th/ gunnut,

come one guys, you penny pinch on these costs and you look for years of "discrmination" charges ahead. Public education is one of the few areas which should be supported, just to ensure that everyone gets some sort of minimum level of boost, if nothing else.

A half a billion dollar school is indeed a monstrosity, though

The LAUSD (Los Angeles Unified School District) is reportedly spending appx. $15,000 per kid per year and it has one of the worse grade averages in the nation. How much money do they spend in your area? in China? in India? in Iran? ANYWHERE ELSE with much better results?

It's not a matter of money spent but the way they are going about it.

I blame it on the stupid liberal politicians in this city and the Teachers union, which to this day, still moans about the lack of money being spent on the children.

It's always "For the Kids" for these bleeding hearts.

And anybody that even questions their methods are "mean-spirited".

Blue
01 Sep 10,, 14:23
7th/ gunnut,

come one guys, you penny pinch on these costs and you look for years of "discrmination" charges ahead. Public education is one of the few areas which should be supported, just to ensure that everyone gets some sort of minimum level of boost, if nothing else.

A half a billion dollar school is indeed a monstrosity, though

I support public education, but once upon a time in America, before the federal dept of education, states funded thier schools, parents had and did take a more active role in the school and thier childs education. The DoE took all that responsibility away. They have turned the whole educational experience into a cookie cutter indoctrination.

Education needs to be regional besides a basic curriculum, which is something that is literally non-existent these days, hence the types of waste you see. It is also why we have seen a surge in independent day schools and parochial schools. The parents who still care about thier kids education are sick of the kool-aid stand ed thier kids are getting from a bloated and inefficient federal bureaucracy.

Don't get me wrong though. I support education 100%. It is the most important aspect of living a responsible, productive life. I think the way it is now though actually hinders that. Evidenced as well by the US below par rating compared to other countries. We used to be leaders in the world, but we are quickly slipping.

Tarek Morgen
01 Sep 10,, 15:33
if you move education only to the local level, won't you end up with stuff like YEC being teached as science is 1/3 of the country?

kato
01 Sep 10,, 15:59
The school takes a place next to the country's other so-called "Taj Mahal" schools, which all came at a cost of more than $100 million.
I wouldn't call a school for $100 million all that costly. One of the secondary schools here is currently being renovated for about $30 million, because completely demolishing and newly building it (was evaluated) would bring the cost to similar regions...

(then again our university is currently spending $1.3 billion dollar on new prestigious clinics, and the coal plant i get my district heat from is building a new generator bloc for 1.5 billion dollar - so it's all relative...)


The LAUSD (Los Angeles Unified School District) is reportedly spending appx. $15,000 per kid per year and it has one of the worse grade averages in the nation.
Now that's always a relative thing though. My state in Germany is spending approximately $6,000 per kid per year (on 1.7 million primary/secondary students) - but only about 1.5% of that is investment in new buildings, almost 90% is staff salaries.


@Tarek: Want me to remind you that here in Germany the federal goverment doesn't spend a single cent on primary or secondary education? ;)

Tarek Morgen
01 Sep 10,, 16:07
Want me to remind you that here in Germany the federal goverment doesn't spend a single cent on primary or secondary education?

I know that, but we don't have to worry about our children getting taught that earth was created 6000 years ago in science classes, despite what Karin Wolff might hope for.

kato
01 Sep 10,, 16:18
despite what Karin Wolff might hope for.
First person i thought of when reading the first half of that sentence... btw, wasn't it in Kassel where two private schools were busted for promoting Intelligent Design? (or using books heavily suggesting Intelligent Design or something like that)

Tarek Morgen
01 Sep 10,, 16:29
To be honest I have not heard of that,though I study in Kassel I am more at home in Bavaria. So to be honest I don't notice much of what goes on in Kassel, though there seemed to be a surprisingly large latter day saints community (with own schools). Yet I don't know if they have any relation to the incident you mentioned.

kato
01 Sep 10,, 16:33
Found it, it was in Gießen, not Kassel. Hessische Schulen: "Kultusministerin fällt auf Kreationisten herein" - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - SchulSPIEGEL (http://www.spiegel.de/schulspiegel/0,1518,445487,00.html)

Blue
01 Sep 10,, 21:11
if you move education only to the local level, won't you end up with stuff like YEC being teached as science is 1/3 of the country?

I didn't propose local level, I proposed state level, like it used to be not so long ago.

From Wiki;


A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but soon was demoted to an Office in 1868. As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.

Upgrading Education to cabinet level status a century later in 1979 was controversial and opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as an unconstitutional, unnecessary federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs.

Unlike the systems of most other countries, education in the United States is highly decentralized, and the federal government and Department of Education are not heavily involved in determining curricula or educational standards (with the recent exception of the No Child Left Behind Act). This has been left to state and local school districts. The quality of educational institutions and their degrees is maintained through an informal private process known as accreditation, over which the Department of Education has no direct public jurisdictional control.

Rather, the primary function of the Department of Education is to formulate federal funding programs involving education and to enforce federal educational laws regarding privacy and civil rights.

On March 23, 2007, President George W. Bush signed into law H.R. 584, which designates the ED Headquarters building as the Lyndon Baines Johnson Department of Education Building.[2]

Its growing and mainly has its hands on the money, which is control and power.

antimony
02 Sep 10,, 02:31
The LAUSD (Los Angeles Unified School District) is reportedly spending appx. $15,000 per kid per year and it has one of the worse grade averages in the nation. How much money do they spend in your area? in China? in India? in Iran? ANYWHERE ELSE with much better results?

It's not a matter of money spent but the way they are going about it.

I blame it on the stupid liberal politicians in this city and the Teachers union, which to this day, still moans about the lack of money being spent on the children.

It's always "For the Kids" for these bleeding hearts.

And anybody that even questions their methods are "mean-spirited".

I blame public officials everywhere, so I am right there with you. However, my point is that the government should take intiatives to guarantee a K+12 education for all kids.

That can certainly have room for private schools, charter schools and so on. I also do not subscribe to namby pamby notions of making school easier for kids (translation : weaker curriculums). All this BS about class sizes is CR*P in my opinion, I studied with an average of 50 kids per class in my school and I did just fine since our parents were heavily invested in the idea that we should actually study and work hard instead of loafing around.

In my school we faced intense academic competition through all the years, and that is exactly what it should be. I think 7th gets my point well.

I don't know what the current situation in India is (I heard that certain amount of bleeding heartism is creeping in) but I certainly intend to give my daughter hell even she does not put in solid work.

Julie
02 Sep 10,, 03:55
Ooooppps....

Forgot about this thread.

So anyway a few days ago, I was sitting in a balcony of a sports bar in Mid-Wilshire waiting for a friend and was on my iphone, just wasting time when I saw this thread.

Had to laugh because the school in question was right in front of me so I thought I'd take a pic with my phone from the vantage point of the bar and share it with you guys since you're all such big fans of this school. :))


Seriously, this school is a joke.

It's smack dab in the middle of the business district of Mid-Wilshire which has massive traffic during business hours and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if an already horrible traffic congestion through here gets much worse at best or kills alot of student at worse.

The picture I took is the front of the school with numerous buildings in the back that you can't see from the pic. The front is mostly finished but the back is still being worked on 24/7. It is appx. 8 blocks in size (the back of the school is much bigger than the front, which you see here here) and it has a huge underground parking lot.

And this is the kicker for you folks that think this school is too excessive....

The 2nd and 3rd on the list of most expensive schools are within 3 miles of this monstrosity...and they've been already spending a fortune getting rid of the graffitti and other vandalism on those schools.

And you begin to wonder why this state....this city is so f*cked up.When I was waaaay younger, I remember California being the "happening place and state." Everyone wanted to go to California when they grew up. Don't hear that anymore. Is there anything good or decent left in California to attract people and/or businesses?

gunnut
02 Sep 10,, 05:24
When I was waaaay younger, I remember California being the "happening place and state." Everyone wanted to go to California when they grew up. Don't hear that anymore. Is there anything good or decent left in California to attract people and/or businesses?

Don't come here to start a business, unless you have political connections and can get "stimulus" dollars to keep your hare-brained scheme running.

We have our own "anti-global warming" bill that will drive up energy cost for everyone, especially businesses.

Taxes and regulations are choking the state. We have a $20 billion deficit. State budget is more than 2 months late.

Fortunately, we just defeated a measure to ban the use of plastic shopping bags through out the state. The liberals want us to use re-usable cloth shopping bags for our groceries. Those things have a much higher chance to contaminate the food you bring home in them than plastic bags. That means you should wash those cloth bags after every use. What do we need to wash them? Water. Detergent. Electricity. Two we are short of and the other pollutes our water. Good job, greenies.

The school is merely a symptom of the cancer killing this state.

bigross86
02 Sep 10,, 08:05
In Israel there are public schools which everyone can go, private schools which don't have to accept everybody, and there are also external schools that are the equivalent of a GED. You don't need to show up to school (though they do prefer that you go to the classes), all you need to do is take your exams at the end of the year.

Every single school takes the same test on the same day at the same hour. The tests are kept under guard until they are shipped to the schools under guard and kept locked at the schools with access only to Ministry of Education staff that also observe the kids taking the tests. Teachers aren't allowed near the classrooms when the tests are being taken.

The criteria to qualify for a High School Diploma (Bagrut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagrut)) are fairly strict, as well. Students need to take the following subjects to be eligible for a Bagrut:

* Bible (Old Testement) or the Scriptures of Christianity or Islam, in the relevant sectors of the population (3 or 5 units, 3 minimum)
* Language
o Hebrew or Arabic grammar (1 unit)
o Hebrew or Arabic composition (1 unit)
* English language (written and oral) (3, 4 or 5 units, 3 minimum)
* Mathematics (3, 4 or 5 units, 3 minimum)
* Knowledge of the nation and state (Students need to study 2 units out of the following there subjects )
o Civics and Minorities studies (1 unit)
o History of the Jewish People (1 unit)
o World History (1 unit)
* Hebrew/Arab and world literature (1 unit)
* At least one facultative subject, such as geography, physics, chemistry, biology, computer science, Arabic, French, etc.
* Gymnastics (not in external schools)

For most subject matter exams, the student may choose the level of difficulty he or she would like to be tested under. This level of difficulty is expressed as "units of study" (yehidot limud), from 1 (least difficult) to 5 (most difficult). In order to receive a "full" matirculation certificate, the student must take and pass at least one subject matter exam at the 5-unit level of difficulty and earn a total of at least 21 combined study units in all bagrut exams taken.

A recent survey showed that only something like 52% of the boys and 64% of the girls in Israel are eligible for a Bagrut, but a look at their grades show that those that do qualify for a Bagrut as a general rule score very high on their exams. This means that unfortunately there is not much middle ground. Students are either passing brilliantly, or failing one or more of the subjects needed for their Bagrut.