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Shek
23 May 10,, 03:57
I was jamming to Cheap Trick and the Dream Police in the car the other day and wondered what the best "second tier" bands were out there - those that hit it big but just aren't in the same league as heavy hitters - Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, etc.

Who would you nominate?

Julie
23 May 10,, 04:17
Ac/dc

Bigfella
23 May 10,, 04:29
I was jamming to Cheap Trick and the Dream Police in the car the other day and wondered what the best "second tier" bands were out there - those that hit it big but just aren't in the same league as heavy hitters - Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, etc.

Who would you nominate?


This could be fun, though I suspect we may have a few battles over definition (on WAB? never ;)). It may also invite bands who were big in one country, but failed to translate that success beyond their shores - which describes practically every great Australian band (with a literal handful of exceptions). Still, there is fun to be had.

I'll jump in with a couple of English bands:

First, the Kinks, one of the best & most important British bands of any era, but not quite first division in success terms:

Perhaps the most perfect pop song of all time:

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And the song that launched a million guitar riffs. Contrary to popular myth Jimmy Page dod not play on the original, though the piano was most likely played by John Lord, later of Deep Purple.

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Bigfella
23 May 10,, 04:34
Ac/dc


AC/DC are the second biggest selling popular music act of all time (the Beatles are first). I think we can give them a spot in the top tier.:)

Bigfella
23 May 10,, 04:38
My next nomination is the Small Faces. A brilliant little English band who deserved more success.

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S2
23 May 10,, 05:03
Traffic, Badfinger, Little Feat, Poco, Flying Burrito Brothers. All these bands were brilliant yet hovered just below mega-stardom (and mega-bucks)...sometimes by intent. Stardom crushed Tom Evans and Peter Ham. The road crushed Lowell George. Richie Furay survived. So too Chris Hillman and Steve Winwood.

bigross86
23 May 10,, 10:52
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and go with Deep Purple. Awesome band, still going strong today, but it just seems to me that they're not as popular as the heavies, even though Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin were both doing the same thing at the same time

Genosaurer
23 May 10,, 20:37
Traffic and The Allan Parsons Project both seem to me to be bands that were just shy of really hitting it big. They have a few songs that still get play on the radio, but not anywhere near as many as the bands I would consider "top tier".

EDIT: Jethro Tull would be another good band for this discussion, I think.

S2
23 May 10,, 22:59
While Fleetwood Mac found mega-stardom later with the Buckingham/Nicks outfit, the true Mac labored in American obscurity while producing exquiste music with variously Peter Green, Danny Kirwin, Jeremy Spencer and, finally, Bob Welch as their guitarists.

In many ways Fairport Convention hovered just below the radar as well through their various incarnations. Like the band, Richard Thompson's solo career has wandered in happy obscurity.

Velvet Underground is now considered iconic and every artiste's idea of the origins of punk. They didn't make squat during the day and had a marginal impact on the nat'l scene. Always something of a cult favorite, even at their height.

I find the Black Crows to have somehow not broken through. Just edgy enough to hover on the periphery but not go over the top. Their time may be past them.

RustyBattleship
23 May 10,, 23:17
"Hot Food to Go".

Well, not much of a big hit as I don't think they ever made a label. But the creator (Chris Christianson) continued on and reorganized as a percussion band called "Midnight Express".

Chris is one of the greatest drummers I have ever seen. He is also the band and choir director of our local church (our daughter learned to play drums during the band lessons he taught in his sound proofed garage). This came in handy when she went on to High School and learned to play Clarinet and Flute as well as being on the drum team.

Chris is fantastic as an arranger also. During our Easter Sunrise Service, he has the entire Church band and choir playing with a mix of band instruments and orchestra instruments.

And he pulls it off every time.

pennsy
24 May 10,, 14:35
There are heaps. But off the top of my head I'll throw up a couple of Aussie groups-The Masters Apprentices, Kevin Borich Express, Sherbert.

Of the early hard rock outfits-Budgie, Hawkwind, Uriah Heap, The Gun, to name a few.

captain
24 May 10,, 16:08
The Hollies for lots of hits and the Troggs for "Wild thing", that can still be heard in the best boozy pubs. :)

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Cheers.

Stitch
24 May 10,, 19:18
I'm going to nominate a Bay Area favorite, Y&T (formerly known as Yesterday & Today); they had quite a few hits, and are still going strong today, but they never quite seemed to make it big, even at the height of their success in the '80's.

sappersgt
24 May 10,, 20:21
I'll plug Bad Company and Foghat, I got see both several times.:cool::biggrin:
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sappersgt
24 May 10,, 20:31
I'm going to nominate a Bay Area favorite, Y&T (formerly known as Yesterday & Today); they had quite a few hits, and are still going strong today, but they never quite seemed to make it big, even at the height of their success in the '80's.

I'm trying to remember the name of the club in Los Altos I saw them at. On ECR just past El Monte...:rolleyes::biggrin:

BD1
24 May 10,, 22:20
I'm trying to remember the name of the club in Los Altos I saw them at. On ECR just past El Monte...:rolleyes::biggrin:
Sgt.Sapperīs Lonely Heart Club
:))

Stitch
24 May 10,, 23:48
I'm trying to remember the name of the club in Los Altos I saw them at. On ECR just past El Monte...:rolleyes::biggrin:

'Fraid I can't help you there; I was an East Bay boy, didn't get over to the Penninsula too often (though I did hit downtown SF pretty often).

sappersgt
25 May 10,, 00:40
Sgt.Sapperīs Lonely Heart Club
:))

Heh, heh. Got there early, the stage room was empty so went upstairs for dinner. When Maureen ("call me reenie") went to the loo I slipped the waiter $20 and asked if he could reserve us a bottle of champagne and some good seats for the show.

When we came down from dinner the place was PACKED! No seats, pissed off people trying get in and being turned away. When I inquired about my seats the bouncer says, "Oh! Right this way, Sir!". Would'nt ya know there was a table in the middle of the front row, two chairs, bottle in the ice bucket, and a big sign saying RESERVED! All these people are crammed into these little tables wondering who in the hell this big shot is. Ha, ha, people kept staring at us and whispering until the music started. Great evening!;):biggrin::cool:

Albany Rifles
25 May 10,, 01:35
Maybe even third tier but

Dave Edmunds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqIQE4du6co

David Bowie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXq5VvYAI1Q


The Outlaws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKbk_dQ8Mhg

The Guess Who

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqfpkTTy2w

which begat Bachman-Turner Overdrive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BwwtpZnJmc

BTW, I proposed to Mrs AR after hearing this song one night!

ZekeJones
25 May 10,, 03:13
I always thought Steve Miller should have hit it bigger than he did, along with Triumph and Sweet in the US.
I agree most of the other bands mentioned should have hit it bigger.

S2
25 May 10,, 05:03
Steve Miller sold his soul to the devil with THE JOKER. His early stuff (1968-1971) was studly.

ZekeJones
25 May 10,, 13:55
Steve Miller sold his soul to the devil with THE JOKER. His early stuff (1968-1971) was studly.

I never really liked The Joker, but you are right about his earlier work.

sappersgt
25 May 10,, 17:28
Steve Miller sold his soul to the devil with THE JOKER. His early stuff (1968-1971) was studly.

I run into the bass player every now again, really nice guy, teaches guitar and still plays local gigs. :cool::biggrin:

S2
26 May 10,, 00:57
"I run into the bass player every now again..."

Might be Lonnie Turner. The early band with Boz Scaggs was outstanding. They held it together through #5. Miller broke his neck in a car accident in 1971 and basically took two years off. Came back with a pop-oriented sound that I never dug.

Made good money though.

Gun Grape
26 May 10,, 03:21
Thin Lizzy, T-Rex, Free, The Clash, Jackson Browne, Meatloaf, Neal Young, Edgar Winter Group, Jethro Tull, Pretenders, Tom Petty, Supertramp

Just to name a few that are on my Ipod

chender
26 May 10,, 04:45
This is great - sorry late to the debate. My candidates:

I have to go with an earlier poster - Deep Purple. They worked their asses off in the 70's in every two bit hall and had extreme fan loyalty.

Follow up in the 'should have been dept'
- Sensational Alex Harvey Band - classic - Alex died. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6aLs8zzrs

Blue
26 May 10,, 17:55
I agree with just about everyone mentioned here. I can think of a couple right off that I think would have been way bigger had they not been struck by tragedy.

The travelling Wilburys and Big country.

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S2
26 May 10,, 18:59
Can't agree on the Wilburys. That's a "one-off" IMV that was never intended to be a long-term thing. Sorta like Clapton and Winwood coming together for a bit to polish off some unfinished business stuck in their craw.

Blue
27 May 10,, 13:51
Can't agree on the Wilburys. That's a "one-off" IMV that was never intended to be a long-term thing. Sorta like Clapton and Winwood coming together for a bit to polish off some unfinished business stuck in their craw. I can go with that. Still a shame the talent that was there and is now gone.:frown:

S2
27 May 10,, 13:54
7thsfsniper,

I think Jeff Lynne from The Move and ELO was the brilliance behind that "made for T.V." conglomeration. He's a great arranger and band leader and I sorta suspect that he kind of herded all the cats, so to speak...

I think Big Country is an excellent choice. Might also be for the "One Hit Wonders" category.

Blue
28 May 10,, 05:33
7thsfsniper,

I think Jeff Lynne from The Move and ELO was the brilliance behind that "made for T.V." conglomeration. He's a great arranger and band leader and I sorta suspect that he kind of herded all the cats, so to speak... Oh yeah. I agree. I've always been a huge fan of Lynne. That guy has a LOT of songs to his credit and you can always tell when its one of his. He just has a recognizable style that if you don't OD on it, stays interesting.



I think Big Country is an excellent choice. Might also be for the "One Hit Wonders" category. They have been classified as one hit wonders on many lists, but they had several great hits before the lead singer died.

Enjoy.....

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They even did a great job covering DFTR........

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Blue
28 May 10,, 05:49
Don't know if these guys fit the bill, but I sure liked this song...

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Bigfella
28 May 10,, 06:07
This really is getting scary man :biggrin:. I LOVE Big Country - have since I heard them as a kid & got a copy of their best known album (forgot title) on tape. Apparently a lot of effort went into getting that guitar to sound like bagpipes. Worth it.




They have been classified as one hit wonders on many lists, but they had several great hits before the lead singer died.

Enjoy.....

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They even did a great job covering DFTR........

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S2
28 May 10,, 08:47
"They have been classified as one hit wonders..."

I suppose it could be approached as a single track too. Certainly there was a lot of that when top 40 radio was big back in the sixties and early seventies. Never heard from Freda Payne after Band Of Gold.

Almost claimed Dexy's Midnight Runners with Come On Eileen but they actually did a few albums and had a couple of other minor hits.

Finding a true one-hit wonder, album or single, is sorta tough.

pennsy
28 May 10,, 11:42
The Knack with my Sharona.

Damn I hated that song:mad:

S2
28 May 10,, 17:38
The Knack is/are a great choice.

Gun Grape
29 May 10,, 04:34
The Ramones. They are the band that started the Punk movement and yet fame and fortune just barely missed them.

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and everyone has heard Blitzkrieg Bop. No need to post that one.

Stitch
29 May 10,, 05:42
Gotta nominate "Der Kommissar" by After The Fire (originally done by Falco); here's the MTV version:

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Blue
29 May 10,, 05:50
Gotta nominate "Der Kommissar" by After The Fire (originally done by Falco); here's the MTV version:

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Yep!!! They owned that one!! Great pick, great song!!:)

Stitch
29 May 10,, 06:25
Yep!!! They owned that one!! Great pick, great song!!:)

I actually had the 45 single of that song at one time, haven't seen it since 1990 . . . .

Saw them open for Van Halen back in '85, and they basically got boo'd off the stage; people were throwing stuff at them (whatever was available), and they ended up having to get off the stage before someone got hurt. I think the guitarist got nailed with an orange at one point . . .

Blue
29 May 10,, 06:57
I actually had the 45 single of that song at one time, haven't seen it since 1990 . . . .

Saw them open for Van Halen back in '85, and they basically got boo'd off the stage; people were throwing stuff at them (whatever was available), and they ended up having to get off the stage before someone got hurt. I think the guitarist got nailed with an orange at one point . . . Ahhhh, the perils of opening for Van Halen in the 80's. Almost anyone would have gotten the same treatment I think.:biggrin:

People who bought tickets to big shows like that back then did not care to wait through the opener. Ouch! Tough gig.

Stitch
29 May 10,, 07:14
Ahhhh, the perils of opening for Van Halen in the 80's. Almost anyone would have gotten the same treatment I think.:biggrin:

People who bought tickets to big shows like that back then did not care to wait through the opener. Ouch! Tough gig.

Unfortunately, it was the audience that suffered (including me); the stage was empty for a good 45 minutes (probably closer to an hour) before Van Halen came on at their scheduled time.

Blue
30 May 10,, 06:51
Unfortunately, it was the audience that suffered (including me); the stage was empty for a good 45 minutes (probably closer to an hour) before Van Halen came on at their scheduled time. Time to hit the beer stand!!:biggrin::biggrin:

Gun Grape
30 May 10,, 18:12
A group of young girls that would have probably shot to the top, as a group, if they had made it to the eighties. Individually, they did pretty good in that decade.

Of course its The Runaways.

Thanks to S-2 for posting a Bangles song on another thread, that got me thinking about these girls.

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Out of this group, we got

Joan Jett
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Lita Ford
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and

Micki Steel playing bass for the Bangles

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And not really big but I can't help but post a video of Cherrie Curry singing with the Sandy West band back in 1986.
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sappersgt
30 May 10,, 19:59
The Runaways! Here's one of my favorites...:cool::biggrin:
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sappersgt
30 May 10,, 20:53
I always had a special spot in my heart for Patty Smyth. Incredibly talented with amazing voice. Back in the 80's I got to meet and have drinks with her. I was smitten. Intelligent, beautiful and utterly charming, a kind of subdued sexy, just a really nice person. The evening ended way to soon when one of our party started a brawl in the club.:rolleyes:

Here's Scandal...

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Here she is in 2009 and she's STILL got it!:cool::biggrin:

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S2
30 May 10,, 20:59
"The evening ended way to soon when one of our party stared a brawl in the club.:rolleyes:"

Ain't that about the time things are just warmin' up?:))

ZekeJones
30 May 10,, 21:05
Saw them open for Van Halen back in '85, and they basically got boo'd off the stage; people were throwing stuff at them (whatever was available), and they ended up having to get off the stage before someone got hurt. I think the guitarist got nailed with an orange at one point . . .

I saw BTO open for them sometime in the late 80s...blew VH off the stage. One of the most tightest and professional performances I have ever seen.

Stitch
30 May 10,, 23:55
I saw BTO open for them sometime in the late 80s...blew VH off the stage. One of the most tightest and professional performances I have ever seen.

It wouldn't have been the Cow Palace in 1986 when Van Hagar was touring, would it? Saw BTO on that tour, didn't even know they were still together until then . . . .

S2
07 Jun 10,, 23:08
A totally fascinating and different band that arose out of the Austin, Texas scene in the late sixties. Hardly Tex-Mex or blues, though. Did four albums between 1967 and 1969. Largely unique for even their day and age in that the band usually performed and recorded while high on acid.

From Bull Of The Woods, here's Rose And The Thorn-

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and from maybe their best album Easter Everywhere here's Slip Inside This House-

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and their rendition of Dylan's beautiful It's All Over Now Baby Blue-

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ZekeJones
08 Jun 10,, 03:04
It wouldn't have been the Cow Palace in 1986 when Van Hagar was touring, would it? Saw BTO on that tour, didn't even know they were still together until then . . . .

It was in Indianapolis at MSA, the crowd loved BTO.