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Blue
28 Apr 10,, 14:34
Lets all get ready to welcome our new state!!!

Congress votes on this tomorrow btw!! Talk about a stealth bill!!

http://www.hr2499.com/

Wednesday, February 24th, 2010

Contact: Eduardo J. Soto (787) 536-3014, esoto@statehoodpr.org

SENATE IS NEXT FOR PUERTO RICO DEMOCRACY ACT


WASHINGTON, DC: The Puerto Rico Statehood Students Association officially began its efforts to gain bipartisan support for the Puerto Rico Democracy Act in the U.S. Senate, in complete confidence that Cong. Pedro Pierluisi’s (D-PR at large) HR 2499 will soon be backed by a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.

PRSSA has been contacting Senate offices since May 2009; it has secured the necessary support for the bill to be introduced. The current efforts will be centered on expanding sponsorship of the bill and ensuring its passage.

“No other representative has ever garnered as much support for self-determination as Cong. Pierluisi;” said Raúl Vidal, President of PRSSA, “because of this, we feel absolutely confident in attaining House passage and have decided to focus our time and resources on informing Senate members of the importance of self-determination and the virtues of this bill.”

HR 2499 “The Puerto Rico Democracy Act” provides for two rounds of federally sanctioned referenda. The referendums, performed by the State Electoral Commission, will gauge local support for the current political status and voter preference among constitutionally sound status alternatives.

PRSSA is a student organization dedicated to the advocacy of Puerto Rico’s self-determination and the enhancement of U.S. citizenship through statehood.

Blue
28 Apr 10,, 14:36
More from the website;

After over 100 years of political uncertainty, Congressman Pierluisi of Puerto Rico has introduced HR 2499, The Puerto Rico Democracy Act of 2009, to effectively resolve the status uncertainty of Puerto Rico. HR 2499 effectively gives the people of PR the right to vote on two plebiscites that will decide the island’s future association with the United States.

First Plebiscite:

- The people of Puerto Rico will be asked if they wish to change their present status situation.
- The question will read: “Should Puerto Rico maintain its present political status? YES or NO.
- If the majority of the votes opt for a change with the “NO” option winning, a second plebiscite will be
hosted.

Second Plebiscite:

- The people of Puerto Rico will be asked to choose between three options that would effectively
resolve the status question:

o Independence:

· Would in effect break all legal ties between the United States in the creation of Puerto Rico as a country on its own right.

o Associated Sovereignty:

· Provides for a distancing of Puerto Rico from the United States.
· Puerto Rico would be free of several federal regulations and from the Territorial Clause of the
US Constitution.
· Its significance is unclear, but it may go as far as the elimination of the US citizenship for the
people of Puerto Rico.

o Statehood:

· Would permanently attach Puerto Rico as the 51st state of the United States.
· Awards Puerto Rico with the right to 6 US congressmen, 2 senators, and 8 presidential
electoral votes.

bigross86
28 Apr 10,, 14:42
Interesting to see if there will soon be a 52nd state, once the Canadians finally realize they are the 51st... ;)

Tarek Morgen
28 Apr 10,, 14:52
There already have been several Plebiscites in Puerto Rico about this, the last one in 1999 iirc, with statehood loosing by a rather small margin.

Blue
28 Apr 10,, 15:02
There already have been several Plebiscites in Puerto Rico about this, the last one in 1999 iirc, with statehood loosing by a rather small margin. Actually it has been voted on and turned down by its citizens four times in the last 50 years or so.

But hold onto your hat, , the Obama regime has its sigts set on getting all those potential taxpayers!!!;)

Tarek Morgen
28 Apr 10,, 15:10
I don't really see anything wrong with having regular votes about changing their status (which currently is still pretty much that of a colony in all but name). Though if were up to me I would limit the options to statehood and independence only.

Monash
28 Apr 10,, 15:19
Interesting to see if there will soon be a 52nd state, once the Canadians finally realize they are the 51st... ;)

Sir, be prepared to be hunted down by every Canadian on WAB.. and then (slowly) tortured to death via looped Celine Dion tracks. :)

bigross86
28 Apr 10,, 15:38
I'm sorry, you say hunting and WAB together, the only thing I can think of is Elmer Fudd...

"Be vewy quiet, we'we hunting WABbits!"

troung
28 Apr 10,, 16:34
This is bullshit, we should cut them off make them their own nation rather then giving that hell hole OUR money.

Roosveltrepub
28 Apr 10,, 16:57
More people live there than in a lot of western states. Seems to me if they want to join great. There are plenty of states in the Union we already pump money into Troung. If being tax neutral were the bar we'd probably have 30 states at most.

ShawnG
28 Apr 10,, 18:04
They keep saying "No no no" when it comes up to vote upon... yet half the population wants to move to the US and live here?? :confused::confused::confused:

There is a heavy PR population where I live in the Susquehanna Valley, PA. Most have come here in the last 25 years.

Blue
29 Apr 10,, 02:52
Sir, be prepared to be hunted down by every Canadian on WAB.. and then (slowly) tortured to death via looped Celine Dion tracks. :) You're a cruel, sick man!!:biggrin:;)

Blue
29 Apr 10,, 02:58
Here's the deal folks. Puerto Ricans don't want to be part of the US. They don't want statehood because that will eff-up thier gig. They get all kinds of shit from American taxpayers without having to contribute themselves.

BUT!! Obama sees a big island full of TAXPAYERS.

but....but....how could it happen if the people don't WANT IT. Hmmm....Maybe the same way I will have pay for medical insurance I DON"T WANT!!!

If you can't see whats going on here, wake up. If you're for it, please feel free to take a long walk off a short cliff!

troung
29 Apr 10,, 04:55
Welcome this shithole into the union... :mad:

Puerto Rico accused of violating squatters' rights
By MIKE MELIA, Associated Press Writer Mike Melia, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 41 mins ago

TOA BAJA, Puerto Rico – Puerto Rico is mistreating squatters in a largely Dominican community, according to an unusual petition filed Wednesday to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights alleging abuses inside U.S. jurisdiction.

The American Civil Liberties Union petition calls on the U.S. and Puerto Rican governments to restore water and electricity to Villas del Sol, a settlement of plywood and cement shacks where it charges about 200 families have been abused by police and unfairly targeted because many of them are immigrants.

Police in riot gear arrived to evict the squatters Aug. 3, claiming they are illegally occupying a dangerous flood zone. Residents locked arms to keep them out. Since then, police have been stationed outside the community around the clock in an uneasy standoff and the water has been turned off except for a month surrounding Christmas.

Some residents now bathe in water from a filthy creek. Others collect rainwater from their roofs. Many store water in open containers that are suspected to be the cause of clouds of mosquitoes and outbreaks of illnesses including dengue fever.

"The government is showing xenophobia and discrimination," said Maritza de la Cruz, a 35-year-old community leader from the Dominican Republic who has lived in the community six years.

The ACLU filed the petition to the rights body of the Washington-based Organization of American States after making unsuccessful appeals to Puerto Rico's government and local courts. It says the lack of running water is feeding the spread of disease and service should be restored.

"The abuse by police combined with the overall anti-Dominican, anti-immigrant sentiment that the community has been exposed to, followed by the lack of water and electricity, have had a devastating impact," said Chandra Bhatnagar, a staff attorney with the ACLU's human rights program in New York.

Puerto Rico's secretary of state, Kenneth McClintock, dismissed any suggestion of discrimination and said utilities cannot be considered a right of the residents because they do not own the land.

"It is illegal to live there. It is not their property," McClintock said. "I know there are pieces of land you and I would love in Puerto Rico, but we don't have a right to invade those lands. And if we do, we don't have rights to request services that are not even available to people who own the property."

Most of the squatters in the Villas del Sol community are single mothers with children who live along dirt roads in Toa Baja, a western suburb of San Juan.

The shacks — many of them abandoned more than a decade ago due to flooding from Hurricane Georges — were claimed by Dominican immigrants and poor Puerto Ricans with nowhere else to live.

"If we don't have water, we don't have life," said de la Cruz, a housekeeper whose infant daughter contracted swine flu in December. "Everything is more difficult — the toilet, washing clothes, cleaning ourselves."

The roughly 200,000 Dominicans on the U.S. island often complain of discrimination in Puerto Rico, a more affluent island of 4 million people where migrants fill low-paying jobs in construction and domestic service.

Advocates suggest the government is trying to discourage squatters elsewhere as Puerto Rico struggles through a deep economic downturn and a low-income housing crunch.

"What they're trying to do basically is smoke them out because they don't want to encourage other squatter communities to develop," said William Ramirez, executive director of the ACLU in Puerto Rico.

The community members recently agreed to vacate the property by May 14. McClintock said the government is working to find safe housing for everyone, but few details are available on where they would go.

If residents have nowhere to go when the deadline arrives some fear more clashes. Twice in recent years officials have threatened residents' shacks with bulldozers, according to the petition.

"I'm worried they will take me out of here with heavy machines," said Ricardo Polanco, an unemployed roofer with two daughters.
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BenRoethig
29 Apr 10,, 18:37
Interesting to see if there will soon be a 52nd state, once the Canadians finally realize they are the 51st... ;)

Canada's 52-61.


This is bullshit, we should cut them off make them their own nation rather then giving that hell hole OUR money.

There's this thing called the constitution that makes that rather illegal to do to U.S. citizens.

gunnut
03 May 10,, 18:14
Canada's 52-61.

We don't want Quebec. In fact, can we sell Quebec back to France? While we're at it, sell Puerto Rico back to Spain.

bigross86
03 May 10,, 19:24
You probably won't get any buyers, just give it back for free!

Or you could hold a raffle with Quebec and Puerto Rico as the main prizes

bfng3569
04 May 10,, 05:08
We don't want Quebec. In fact, can we sell Quebec back to France? While we're at it, sell Puerto Rico back to Spain.

that would mean france would own a piece of north american soil.... no thanks....

Tarek Morgen
04 May 10,, 06:15
that would mean france would own a piece of north american soil.... no thanks....

We could fix that..under the condition that New Brunswick is given to Belgium first.

Blue
05 May 10,, 03:08
Well it passed the house folks. Next is the senate and then their hope is to do something like the Tenessee plan.

H.R.2499: Puerto Rico Democracy Act of 2010 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2499/show)

Puerto Rican Statehood Ahead? - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,591683,00.html)


Its intersting how this broke down. Many repubs voted to recommitt but lots of repubs voted yea after that was defeated. Idiot, flip floppin, spineless no account hacks!!

H.R.2499: Puerto Rico Democracy Act of 2010 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2499/votes)

BenRoethig
06 May 10,, 14:52
They're spineless because they chose to not deny American citizens of their right to choose statehood?

What is the Republican party supposed to be the modern equivalent of 18th century Britain?

Blue
07 May 10,, 04:16
They're spineless because they chose to not deny American citizens of their right to choose statehood?

What is the Republican party supposed to be the modern equivalent of 18th century Britain?

No Ben, there's a bigger picture. watch the videos and keep in mind that the people in PR have voted down statehood everytime it has been offered. This is a group of self-proclaimed socialists pushing to MAKE it happen.

Bigfella
07 May 10,, 10:59
Sniper,

This issue is only of passing interest to me, but I'm not sure I get what the fuss is about. Perhaps you can help me. Correct me where I get it wrong.

As I understand it Puerto Ricans are American citizens who can't vote (uless they leave PR) & who get a bunch of money without paying income taxes. This looks like the sort of 'free money' welfarism that gets a lot of folks riled up. They do pay some taxes, however, which strikes me as the very definition of 'taxation without representation'.

I also understand that Puerto Ricans will get to vote on whether or not they wish to continue with the current arrangements or change. If they vote for change they will get another vote to decide what option to take. All sounds very democratic to me.

The population is only about 4 million & a damned site poorer than the poorest US state, so it is hardly going to be some sort gold mine for taxation revenue or provide enough electoral college votes to sway an election.

What am I missing here? Why is this bad?

Blue
08 May 10,, 03:53
What am I missing here? Why is this bad?

Because the organization pushing this are socialist as the current US regime. If they succeed in getting seated in congress it would tip the balance of the seats, insuring a socialist majority.

Tax revenue is a big part of it as well as Obama and the dems are scrambling for any revenue to offset thier mindless spending. They are also votes. Even though the majority has traditionally voted against statehood, they are Democrat votes, gauranteed, and BHO knows it and is counting on it.

Gun Grape
08 May 10,, 04:13
Because the organization pushing this are socialist as the current US regime. If they succeed in getting seated in congress it would tip the balance of the seats, insuring a socialist majority.


They have a Republican Gov. They voted overwhelmingly for McCain in 2008.

The PR Speaker of the House and Senate President are both Republicans.

I think the Democrats are in for a rude wakening if they think they will pick up votes from this.