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Ray
22 Apr 05,, 20:53
China agrees to finance further deepening of Gwadar seaport



JAKARTA, April 22 (APP): Chinese President Hu Jin Tao Friday conveyed Beijing's agreement to President Pervez Musharraf on financing further deepening of Gwadar seaport in Pakistan's southern province of Balochistan.

China will finance the project from the remaining preferential buyers' credit of US dollars 500 million extended to Pakistan.

Meeting on the sidelines of the Asian-African Summit, the two leaders expressed satisfaction with the state of bilateral ties including the outcome of Premier Wen Jiabao's recent visit to Pakistan.

Hu Jin Tao said the Treaty of Friendship concluded during the Chinese Premier's visit, is the first of its kind Beijing has with any South Asian country.

This will further develop relations of 'strategic cooperative partnership' between the two long-standing allies, he said.

President Musharraf said Pakistan looks forward to having greater access for its products to China's expanding market. This, he said, would help augment trade and also address imbalance in bilateral trade.

The two leaders also exchanged views on regional and international issues of common interest including the UN reforms.

President Musharraf briefed the Chinese leader about his just-concluded visit to New Delhi, during which he had substantive talks with the Indian leadership for resolution of outstanding issues including lingering Jammu and Kashmir dispute.
http://www.app.com.pk/n27.htm

What would be the US reaction?

What would be the strategic implication of deepening the port?

Asim Aquil
22 Apr 05,, 21:21
dunno, but we're all excited about the financial aspects. US would be cool eventually since it'll use it to get some oil too. Not to mention less dependency on Arab ports.

http://www.urbanpakistan.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=7

Some pictures taken off from a GEO TV documentary. Wrong forum btw.

bull
23 Apr 05,, 07:36
dunno, but we're all excited about the financial aspects. US would be cool eventually since it'll use it to get some oil too. Not to mention less dependency on Arab ports.

http://www.urbanpakistan.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=7

Some pictures taken off from a GEO TV documentary. Wrong forum btw.

What is this deepening?
Wasnt the initial depth not enough for warships to anchor there.or is it meant for bigger US AC to anchor over there.Or is it ment for submarines to remain submenrged in port area???

And also Asim,
dont you feel bad when your homeland is given for foreign forces to use.
In India it creates uproar if foreign forces sets up bases anywhere closer and hell breaks lose if a slightest hint is there of talks of foreign forces given some sort of facility.

Asim Aquil
23 Apr 05,, 10:50
wtf? Gawadar is aiming to become the most advanced port in the world. Its got probably the best location any port could have, IMO its better than Singapore and Dubai. Take your rona dhona elsewhere man, those comments won't get any respect outta me.

bull
23 Apr 05,, 13:11
wtf? Gawadar is aiming to become the most advanced port in the world. Its got probably the best location any port could have, IMO its better than Singapore and Dubai. Take your rona dhona elsewhere man, those comments won't get any respect outta me.

Oh **** was that at me asim?A plain question give me a plain answer man.

Can you explain to me what do you mean by best location any port can have,can you pls tell us whioch sea way goes via/near gwadar?

dont bs get to the point.

hammer
23 Apr 05,, 17:01
Another nice big target for the Indian Navy. :biggrin: just kidding Asim. ;)

Asim Aquil
23 Apr 05,, 17:48
Oh **** was that at me asim?A plain question give me a plain answer man.

Can you explain to me what do you mean by best location any port can have,can you pls tell us whioch sea way goes via/near gwadar?

dont bs get to the point.
Gawadar will provide the only advanced means to access CAR/S. through water. That itself is a like a gold mine waiting to be discovered. Then there's the re-export business. The business that has made Dubai what it IS! Instead of transitting in Dubai, they'd find it much convenient to come to Pakistan instead of going all the way around the strait of hormuz. China can access the Middle Eastern market even more easily through Pakistan, just send it to Gawadar, Gawadar sends it to Dubai. User car business. Currently dominated by Dubai would also come to Pakistan.

Gawadar is badass... don't get me started!

Samudra
24 Apr 05,, 06:04
The jokes , once again :biggrin:

bull
24 Apr 05,, 07:25
Gawadar will provide the only advanced means to access CAR/S. through water. That itself is a like a gold mine waiting to be discovered.

You mean a pipleline to gwadar from where it can be shipped.Ok fair enough! who is building the piple line?when will it be completed?


The business that has made Dubai what it IS! Instead of transitting in Dubai, they'd find it much convenient to come to Pakistan instead of going all the way around the strait of hormuz.

Funny,dubai is a transhipment port for the other middle eastern port not for SE asia.So you mean the ships come why redsea all the way to gwadar and then gets it to smaller feeder ships and ships it to middle east.


China can access the Middle Eastern market even more easily through Pakistan, just send it to Gawadar, Gawadar sends it to Dubai.

Chineese are SMARTER than you think they can send it straight to dubai why to gwadar and then to dubai??!!!


User car business. Currently dominated by Dubai would also come to Pakistan

Dont know what does that mean?

Gwadar is for strategic reasons,more over on a later period it will be the main port for CARS area provided the issues in balu and afghan clams down.
China plans to use this as a tool to keep In engaged in the western sea and makeit venture lesser on the eastern side.Its just another ploy of china using pakistan as a irritant against India and they are indeed doing a pretty good job.

Asim Aquil
24 Apr 05,, 10:58
You mean a pipleline to gwadar from where it can be shipped.Ok fair enough! who is building the piple line?when will it be completed?

Yes from Turkmenistan.



Funny,dubai is a transhipment port for the other middle eastern port not for SE asia.So you mean the ships come why redsea all the way to gwadar and then gets it to smaller feeder ships and ships it to middle east.

Actually its the stopover point. Do you know some goods are shipped back to India from Dubai? Iran and Pakistan included. CAR included.


Chineese are SMARTER than you think they can send it straight to dubai why to gwadar and then to dubai??!!!

why use ships at all? We have a karakoram highway. This ships would embark from Gawadar itself.

WAKE UP DUDE! Alarm clock! there'a reason why even after the dangers that Gawadar had, everyone's investing in Gawadar. It's the next Dubai.


Gwadar is for strategic reasons,more over on a later period it will be the main port for CARS area provided the issues in balu and afghan clams down.
China plans to use this as a tool to keep In engaged in the western sea and makeit venture lesser on the eastern side.Its just another ploy of china using pakistan as a irritant against India and they are indeed doing a pretty good job.

I thought the Chinese and Indians were finally becoming friends?

Samudra
24 Apr 05,, 12:27
Although i have my doubts about the Karakorum highway , i dream of a day when i can drive on that road.A great feat of engineering or so i hear.When you know that it was built at the rate of a life every kilometer , you will surely be impressed with the magnitude of the job at hand.

Secondly , i assume nobody is talking about a pipeline from Pakistan to China just like the Karakorum highway.Although it is not a impossible feat , i fear the cost-benefit factor simply is not in favour of the pipeline.

It needs to be seen to what extent the Chinese are going to exploit the Gwadar port.
However , being one of the gateways to CAR areas , it surely will have an impact if they can build pipelines through Afghanistan/Iran , which currently arent a nice place to be in.

Good , Important YES , but Dubai and Singapore ?
I think it would have to wait.

Asim Aquil
24 Apr 05,, 13:24
Beating it overnight? no. Dubai's progressed miles and miles ahead. It's enroute to becoming the next Utopia. They have a flying town on their agenda, as well as an under-water one. Gawadar is yet to see its first building. When people say Gawadar will beat Dubai like it'll thrash the crap out of it, they're just being unrealistic. As a kid I still remember the vast deserts in Dubai. I've lived in the time period where the Shk Zayed road just had the Dadabhai building. Now I'm 21 years old, and the rapid change that Dubai has brought is magnificent. All because of the port.

What's significant about Gawadar is the journey it has embarked upon.

Samudra
24 Apr 05,, 14:07
Good , Important YES , but Dubai and Singapore ?
I think it would have to wait.


What's significant about Gawadar is the journey it has embarked upon.

:rolleyes:

bull
25 Apr 05,, 09:19
Beating it overnight? no. Dubai's progressed miles and miles ahead. It's enroute to becoming the next Utopia. They have a flying town on their agenda, as well as an under-water one. Gawadar is yet to see its first building. When people say Gawadar will beat Dubai like it'll thrash the crap out of it, they're just being unrealistic. As a kid I still remember the vast deserts in Dubai. I've lived in the time period where the Shk Zayed road just had the Dadabhai building. Now I'm 21 years old, and the rapid change that Dubai has brought is magnificent. All because of the port.

What's significant about Gawadar is the journey it has embarked upon.

this is very good project for pakistan no doubt about it.and especially when the pipeline from turkumenistan gets done it will be amjor boost.
i acknowldge that.
Speaking about transhipment terminal,dubai is being used as a transshipment terminal point for india and so is colombo and singapore.The share of singapore and colombo is much higher than what is from dubai.Thats the main reason why a dubai ports is setting up the transshipment terminal in kochi which is the only natural harbour which india have.This is located in the sea lane that comes from suez canal and goes to singapore via colombo.

Neo
25 Apr 05,, 10:02
And also Asim,
dont you feel bad when your homeland is given for foreign forces to use.
In India it creates uproar if foreign forces sets up bases anywhere closer and hell breaks lose if a slightest hint is there of talks of foreign forces given some sort of facility.[/QUOTE]

Thats ********!

India recently signed military pact with Iran to use it's territory including naval base Gwatar, which is just across the border with Pakistan's port of Gwadar...
Guess it's ok when its other way arround??? :rolleyes:

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/612/

bull
25 Apr 05,, 11:38
Neo,

you mean to say india allows iran to use our port or vice versa.Where is the link for this?
juts bcoz i am indian dont think that all my views are based upon my hatred to pak.

Neo
25 Apr 05,, 11:42
Neo,

you mean to say india allows iran to use our port or vice versa.Where is the link for this?
juts bcoz i am indian dont think that all my views are based upon my hatred to pak.

The article is refferring to Indian interest into Iranian ports..for commercial as well as military purposes...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/612/

bull
25 Apr 05,, 12:08
The article is refferring to Indian interest into Iranian ports..for commercial as well as military purposes...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/612/


but still then what i was referring to was,when your countries land is used for foreign bases then that do hurt your feelings atleast in india it does.
dont know what paksis feel about it,might be china has bcom so close a friend a yours that you are not bothered.

Neo
25 Apr 05,, 13:20
but still then what i was referring to was,when your countries land is used for foreign bases then that do hurt your feelings atleast in india it does.
dont know what paksis feel about it,might be china has bcom so close a friend a yours that you are not bothered.

Well in Pakistan, China is widely seen as a good friend who has proved to be faithfull and trustworthy sofar.

When it comes to western countries, specially US, sence of national pride and souvereignity becoms an issue amongst common Pakistani.
Government, nor the people of pakistan will ever accept permanent US bases on Pak territory ever again!

But I don't think China has ambition to have military bases in Arabia sea.
Do you?

bull
26 Apr 05,, 06:43
intitally they where planning to have a port which can take up to 30,000DWT with three berths and then later on to add 10 more with capacity to intake 50,000DWT

bull
26 Apr 05,, 06:44
intitally they where planning to have a port which can take up to 30,000DWT with three berths and then later on to add 10 more with capacity to intake 50,000DWT

whats the figures for the further deepening that is reported now