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  • Pak-China to jointly produce JF-17 planes

    from Indian Express


    K.J.M. VARMA


    Posted online: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 at 0129 hours IST



    ISLAMABAD, APRIL 5 : Vowing to maintain both nuclear and conventional deterrence with India, Pakistan on Tuesday launched the joint production of JF-17 fighter aircraft with China, close on the heels of the US decision to supply it F-16 jets.

    The launch by President Pervez Musharraf coincided with the visit of Chinese premier Wen Jiabao today, and was conceived by both countries after flight testing last year in China.



    ‘‘Pakistan would meet its arms requirements for its forces for maintaining deterrence in both conventional and non-conventional fields,’’ with India, state-run PTV quoted him as saying. ‘‘Pakistan would not confine to acquiring high-tech weapons but will also explore other options,’’ Musharraf said.

    He said the launch reflected the ‘all-weather’ friendship between the two countries, which would be strengthened with Wen’s visit.

    Islamabad and Beijing, which have a close defence ties for over two decades, initiated the JF-17 project several years ago when both nations struggled to acquire fourth generation aircraft. —PTI

  • #2
    Is the testing over ?As far as i recall even the radar isnt decided yet(leave aside fitting it and other avionics missiles etc. Or the initial low batch production will take place for development needs followed by the actual induction? What are the schedules for induction??

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ajaybhutani
      Is the testing over ?As far as i recall even the radar isnt decided yet(leave aside fitting it and other avionics missiles etc. Or the initial low batch production will take place for development needs followed by the actual induction? What are the schedules for induction??
      In an earlier discussion i had raised the same point,the development of these fighters where going on at such a speed which is unbeleivable and on the other hand our LCA is getting delayed.
      Then someone had raised the point that they had bought the intitial design from russia and are developing it from there and so have saved considerable time.
      But anyways this news is regarding building the plants for mfring jf17 and not manufacturing jf17.they are set to role out by 20007.
      Am i right platinum,asim???
      What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
      The ones in the casinos are serious.

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      • #4
        China, Pakistan expect another "milestone" in relationship

        The visit by Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao to Pakistan will be another milestone in the history of the two countries' bilateral relations, according to Salman Bashir, Pakistan's ambassador to China.

        "The visit is a continuation of the regular high-level exchanges which the leaders of the two friendly countries have maintained over more than 50 years, and the government and people of Pakistan are eagerly awaiting the visit," said Bashir.

        Wen will pay an official visit to Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and India from April 5 to 12, with Pakistan as the first stop of his tour. Wen will be present at the 4th foreign ministers' meeting of Asia Cooperation Dialogue (ACD) to be held on April 6 in Islamabad.

        "We expect to sign a number of agreements, which would pave the way for enhanced Pakistan-China economic cooperation and strengthen our all round, comprehensive partnership," he said.

        Bashir said Pakistan takes great pride in the close friendship and cooperation that the two countries have maintained for over half a century, and that relations between the two nations go back to antiquity when the Silk Road served as a conduit for commerce.

        The visit to China by Pakistan Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz not long ago and Wen's coming tour to Pakistan are the continuation of high-level exchanges that are the hallmark of the bilateral ties and a sign of trust and understanding between the two countries, he said.

        The ambassador noted Pakistan's desire to further Pakistan- China economic cooperation which is at around three billion dollars at present. "We intend to make our economic and cultural cooperation commensurate with the depth of our strong political relations," he said.

        Tourism and interpersonal contact are all the more necessary, he said, adding that Pakistan has been approved as a tourist destination by China. Currently a 100-member youth delegation from China is visiting Pakistan, and the Pakistan youth delegation visited China last year. "We hope to further promote the exchanges between the two peoples," Bashir said.

        He expressed gratitude for the support and assistance of China to Pakistan, saying China has always followed the five principles of peaceful co-existence and neighborly policy in its foreign policy, and its interaction with south Asia is "a factor of peace and stability in the region and the world".

        Bashir took the post of ambassador only a week ago, but he had visited China several times before. He has been impressed by the progress China has made on economic development.

        "China is not only a country; it is a civilization which is over five thousand years old. We take great pride in the transformation that China has undergone," he said.
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        • #5
          Now being part Chinese........well mostly chinese.........lol...lil is known about it, but the RD-93 will be fitted in it, and the radar selected is apprently a small version of the one in the J-10, of course non of this is official yet.

          However we should be making 16-20 next year and obviously increased production after that, at Kamra, i don't know about chinese rates of production. Though offical serial productin like you said should be 2007.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by platinum786
            , but the RD-93 will be fitted in it.
            RD-93 ?! read somewhere that the russians refused RD-93 to PAF and that china is working on a new engine for the JF-17s going to PAF. can anybody confirm the engine that the PAF JF-17 will have .
            Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'...till you can find a rock. ;)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by hammer
              RD-93 ?! read somewhere that the russians refused RD-93 to PAF and that china is working on a new engine for the JF-17s going to PAF. can anybody confirm the engine that the PAF JF-17 will have .
              the russians wont allow PAF to get RD93. So a chineese reverse engineering is in the queue. Apparently chineese are working towards it too . There are some unconfirmed reports in BR forums that the changes are being carried out in JF-17 air inlets signifying the plan to put in a different engine.

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              • #8
                Some time ago,the principal of China Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation(CA-T) said that leader of CA-T has discussed it with the side of Russia, and Russia has announced that exportion for RD-93 to china is confirmed,aslo allowed re-export from China to PAF.

                So we can believe that PAF will deploy JF-17 used Russian RD-93 turbofan engine.
                Advantage:

                1. Relative simplicity and low cost makes it good for cannon fodder or Cat. B role.
                2. Sufficient provision for BVR radars and missiles
                3. More advanced than any of the J-7, including proposed variants.
                4. Greater payload and range than the J-7 and Q-5.
                5. Greater long term potential for engine and fire control upgrades than the J-6. Can pay for itself. Less political hamstrings to export compared to J-10.

                Disadvantage:

                1. Late development
                2. Performance is unknown factor. It must perform significantly over the J-7 to justify itself.
                3. Raising specifications could bring overlapping conflict with the J-10 and raise the plane's costs.
                4. J-10 production and cost an unknown factor as to whether it could justify the FC-1 or not.
                5. Relatively small range to PLAAF's requirements despite better range than J-7 and Q-5.

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                • #9
                  vookoo,
                  link ??

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                  • #10
                    Another milestone for PAF.

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                    • #11
                      in what way is it a milestone???there is nothing new with the plane everything is being reengineered,engine is reengrd,airframe bought over from russia,missiles reengrd..!!!
                      What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
                      The ones in the casinos are serious.

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                      • #12
                        I'm not talking about the R&D. We're going to induct the JF-17, period!

                        It'll be a homegrown plane. Manufactured by us! That's an achievement. Well why don't you go worry about your LCA and bringing that up, why be fixated over Pakistan and lose your hair over it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Asim Aquil
                          I'm not talking about the R&D. We're going to induct the JF-17, period!

                          It'll be a homegrown plane.
                          "homegrown" means developed at home. wheras JF-17 is just being manufactured at pakistan and not home grown. Its more like india calling MKI home grown.

                          Manufactured by us! That's an achievement. Well why don't you go worry about your LCA and bringing that up, why be fixated over Pakistan and lose your hair over it.
                          we do ample worry about our LCA if u ahve questions and qeurries u can ask.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Asim Aquil
                            I'm not talking about the R&D. We're going to induct the JF-17, period!

                            It'll be a homegrown plane. Manufactured by us! That's an achievement. Well why don't you go worry about your LCA and bringing that up, why be fixated over Pakistan and lose your hair over it.

                            its not anybodys job to preach us ok man
                            we will make LCA a success don't u guys worry abt it
                            if u cannot understand english don't talk trouble to reply
                            can't u understand what some one said whats pakistans input in that copy paste chinese plane . don't tell abt 150 million $ what hardware ,software , packages of avionics , weapons , etc is ur country's countribution .chinese have taken u for a ride they r not really interested it that plane that r more interested in ur $ & getting some usefull (or otherwise exp) in design , manufacture of AC .

                            also don't tell that ur best in the world pilots have done cent percent testing of that plane . any AF that inducts a new plane has to do it ok even african AF would also do those .
                            Now quantify pure land's contribution in that plane ???
                            Hala Madrid!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Asim Aquil
                              I'm not talking about the R&D. We're going to induct the JF-17, period!It'll be a homegrown plane. Manufactured by us! That's an achievement. Well why don't you go worry about your LCA and bringing that up, why be fixated over Pakistan and lose your hair over it.
                              Ok there was nothing in their to jump up so viciously.
                              Ok anyways LCA is no jt production.unlike JF 17.
                              And also regarding this contradiction "I'm not talking about the R&D" "It'll be a homegrown plane. ".
                              So R&D is not yours but still it is homegrown.
                              Bother explaining????
                              What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
                              The ones in the casinos are serious.

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