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BudW
04 Aug 09,, 00:07
Clinton Seeks Information From Iran on Missing American Hikers - Political News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/03/clinton-seeks-information-iran-missing-american-hikers/)


What were they thinking?

Merlin
05 Aug 09,, 10:55
Iran now have a chance to make use of their detention and possible charge and imprisonment to arm-twist the US to gain concessions.

Iran holds Americans for 'iIlegal entry' (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/iran-holds-americans-for-iilegal-entry/article1241531/)

5 Aug [Globe&Mail] An Iranian security official confirmed yesterday that three Americans were arrested for "illegal entry" into Iran near the border with Iraq.

The detentions come as Washington seeks to increase pressure on Tehran over its nuclear drive and amid deep political turmoil in Iran after President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disputed re-election in June. ....

Dreadnought
05 Aug 09,, 13:14
Have to agree "idiots" maybe we should just leave them there for awhile until they realize how stupid they actually were.:mad:

Rumrunner
05 Aug 09,, 14:10
You got that all wrong...they were ecotouring in Kurdistan and hiked across an international border into a openly hostile nation without knowing it. Not Idiots.


These are the people that require coffee lids to say "Caution: Contents May Be Hot"

Dreadnought
05 Aug 09,, 14:29
I swear, We should charge them whatever the price for our government to get involved to bail their ass out. You knowingly venture close to a border of a hostile country in a war theater and then yell help when they grab you as propaghanda and a bargaining tool. Idiots, you deserve to have you ass beat and thrown in a hole for a few months to learn your lesson and then charged whatever it costs the government to get your ass out when you get back. It is after all US taxpayer money that will be spent rescuing your dumb ass. You deserve to get your ass kicked by the taxpayers whose money will be used to baragin your way out.:mad:

IMO leave them there, the price for ubber stupidity! Dumbasses!

gunnut
05 Aug 09,, 19:33
Much like the 2 "journalists" who went to NK, these "tourists" may not be who or what they claim to be.

My initial thought was "what a bunch of idiots!" Then I thought, hang on a minute...why do we believe their story without questioning?

tankie
06 Aug 09,, 10:36
Much like the 2 "journalists" who went to NK, these "tourists" may not be who or what they claim to be.

My initial thought was "what a bunch of idiots!" Then I thought, hang on a minute...why do we believe their story without questioning?


;)

KRON1
06 Aug 09,, 11:01
How do we know they were not kidnapped across the border? Such happened in NK to those two journalists.

Merlin
06 Aug 09,, 11:08
It is true we do not know for sure these three were not kidnapped across the border into Iran. But we also do not know for sure the two young women were kidnapped into N Korea.

Dreadnought
06 Aug 09,, 13:59
Soooo we relieve them of the fact that they are in known hostile territory and in a war theatre and from America (which has its own propaghanda value in itself) and that makes them in the right for being dumb enough to get that close to the border? Come on guys, when does the words "self responsibility" and common sense enter the picture?:rolleyes:

Hows this for a scenario, They get paid for reporting, now we have to pay with our tax money for the government to get involved and embarrasment because they were stupid enough to ignore the facts of reality and the situation they caused.

I long to see the days when people start to take responsibility for their own actions, not leaving it to others or the government to bail them out either financially or politically. Its no wonder society itself is on the decline.

TTL
07 Aug 09,, 15:41
They have to be really really stupid to hike near Iranian border. I agree it ıs probably just a cover story.

Merlin
07 Aug 09,, 16:32
These three US hikers is a diplomatically tough problem to tackle. There are too many parties involved.

These three are really idiots.

The U.S. Hikers in Iran: A Tougher Diplomatic Problem (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1914640,00.html)

5 Aug [Time] Could the diplomatic rescue mission by Bill Clinton in North Korea be a model for winning the freedom of three American hikers arrested last week when they wandered (apparently by mistake) from Iraqi Kurdistan into Iranian territory? ....If a way was found to solve an impasse between the U.S. and bellicose North Korea, cannot one be devised for the hikers?

The trouble is that the situation the hikers literally walked into involves not just two parties but perhaps three and a half, with several gradations of belligerence.

First there are the U.S. and Iran, which officially do not talk to each other. Then there is Iraq, which talks to both but doesn't want to disturb either. Finally, there are the Iraqi Kurds, who run their provinces autonomously and have textured relations with both the central government in Baghdad and the Islamic Republic of Iran, which has a substantial Kurdish minority itself.

The hikers, who were arrested on Friday, July 31, and charged by Iran with illegal entry, were taken just as U.S.-Iran relations are growing more nuanced. After the hard-line Bush years, the Obama Administration has tried to take a relatively neutral stance in regard to the turmoil following July's disputed election. The U.S. has also been treading carefully on the sensitive issue of relations between Iran and the Kurds. Earlier this year, the U.S. froze the assets of a Kurdish separatist group accused of planning attacks in Iran from the mountains of Iraqi Kurdistan.

The U.S. has, moreover, not done anything to come between the Iraqi government and its decision to retake Camp Ashraf, occupied for years by an Iranian exile group violently inimical to Tehran. "It's a sovereign matter for the Iraqi government," said a U.S. official of the action. Washington has designated the group, the Mujahedin e-Khalq, a terrorist organization.

The current power struggle in Iran has made a quick resolution of the hiker situation unlikely. Until some sort of political stasis is achieved, it will be hard for outsiders to know whom to appeal to for their release. And the potential power brokers in Tehran aren't likely to want to be distracted either.

From the Iraqi perspective, meanwhile, the hiker "crisis" is barely one at all. ... Muhammad al-Khatib, an independent parliamentarian allied to the political parties closest to Iran, ... predicts the crisis will be solved diplomatically. But it won't be simple. ...It therefore does not pay to disturb the delicate status quo by making loud noises about three hikers. ....

Blue
07 Aug 09,, 21:33
I can't even find the words to express how friggin stupid these yahoos are!

Traxus
12 Aug 09,, 20:00
There is always the possibility they were spies, seems like a good enough way to enter Iran (in theory anyway). Posing as tourists seems kinda ridiculous though.

If these guys actually are tourists, then yeah, they're idiots.

Luke Gu
12 Aug 09,, 23:27
There is always the possibility they were spies, seems like a good enough way to enter Iran (in theory anyway). Posing as tourists seems kinda ridiculous though.
Your image is really rich,but how do us know about it?I can't image that three guys have a visited to the nation which just have a war with America and nearby is the nation which will have a war with America。It needs big Courage

Traxus
16 Aug 09,, 22:21
Your image is really rich,but how do us know about it?I can't image that three guys have a visited to the nation which just have a war with America and nearby is the nation which will have a war with America。It needs big Courage

I don't think I understand what you're saying. Are you using an online translator?

Luke Gu
16 Aug 09,, 22:57
I don't think I understand what you're saying. Are you using an online translator?
Yes,when I don't know how to use English words to express my idea,I will use google translation。What I mean is that Your imagination is very rich,but we can't know if they are spies。You know Iraq is captured by US and have many Anti-US militants,Iran will have a war with US(of course it's a joke)。So it need courage to visit that place 。So maybe what you say is right.I hope you can understand it now.

Merlin
16 Aug 09,, 23:46
These three were snatched across the border, see below.

American hikers arrested for 'illegal entry' into Iran 'were snatched in Iraq in cross-border raid' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6038784/American-hikers-arrested-for-illegal-entry-into-Iran-were-snatched-in-Iraq-in-cross-border-raid.html)

16 Aug [Telegraph] Three American tourists arrested for "illegal entry" into Iran were snatched by the regime's agents in Iraq during a cross-border raid that was later covered up by Iraqi authorities, a tribal leader has said.

The US demanded the release of Shane Bauer, 27, Sarah Shourd, 30, and Joshua Fattal, 27, after Iran said its border police had arrested the trio last month. Friends of the missing Americans, who are believed to be in detention in Tehran, said they were arrested after accidentally straying across the mountainous frontier.

A statement from the Kurdish Regional Government after the incident implied that the group had inadvertently crossed the border.

But Farhad Lohoni, the leader of the local tribe, said his relatives had witnessed a group of men cross the border using a road that leads to a base used by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) in Marivan, Iran.

He claimed that the local Kurdish security service had records of a call suspected to have been made by an Iranian agent to Iran that is said to have tipped off the IRGC to the Americans' presence in the scenic area. .....

Merlin
01 Sep 09,, 01:38
What's happened to these three idiots? Still in Iran custody?

Merlin
23 Sep 09,, 07:23
Here are some latest news of the three US hikers from A-jad at NY during the UN assembly.

Iranian leader says he'll seek leniency for hikers (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gc3LWBxVK5VOV8-E_mcEfPcrAlOQD9ASQGFG0)

1 hr ago [AP] NEW YORK — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday in an Associated Press interview that he will seek leniency for three American hikers who strayed across the Iranian border, and he urged President Barack Obama to see Iran as a potential friend. ....

When asked in the interview about the three American hikers, the Iranian leader said they broke the law by illegally entering Iran. Nevertheless, Ahmadinejad said he will ask the Iranian judiciary to treat the case with "maximum leniency."

Speaking on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly, the Iranian leader did not elaborate on what that might mean for the fate of the three Americans. Families of the imprisoned hikers have said they hope Ahmadinejad's visit to New York might yield a breakthrough in the case.

The three have been held for 52 days since they apparently strayed into Iran while hiking in northern Iraq's Kurdistan region in July. Their case has become the latest source of friction between the U.S. and Iran. ....