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Inst
03 Feb 09,, 04:21
In this 1894 battle, could the Beiyang fleet have won if they read the manual and did not fire the flagship Ding Yuan's main guns on an ahead bearing? Apparently, the Germans, when testing the battleship, noted that the Ding Yuan's design was flawed in that should the Ding Yuan fire its main guns on the ahead bearing, it would end up destroying the flying bridge. So the Chinese managed to make casualties of the fleet admiral and their command staff.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting it? No one else seems to make a big fuss over the Ding Yuan destroying its own flying bridge in the opening salvo of the battle; maybe it was really such a minor event.

xinhui
03 Feb 09,, 05:17
no they lost because of the wrong tactic, they did not form battleline in time.

bugs
03 Feb 09,, 05:31
1894 is considered modern age ?

Inst
03 Feb 09,, 07:15
I guess we should move it, the battle was the end of the 19th century. And I'm not sure exactly how useful it is to have a commander who thinks it's a good idea to knock himself unconscious by firing his main guns on a counter-indicated position.

astralis
17 Feb 09,, 18:12
inst,


In this 1894 battle, could the Beiyang fleet have won if they read the manual and did not fire the flagship Ding Yuan's main guns on an ahead bearing? Apparently, the Germans, when testing the battleship, noted that the Ding Yuan's design was flawed in that should the Ding Yuan fire its main guns on the ahead bearing, it would end up destroying the flying bridge. So the Chinese managed to make casualties of the fleet admiral and their command staff.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting it? No one else seems to make a big fuss over the Ding Yuan destroying its own flying bridge in the opening salvo of the battle; maybe it was really such a minor event.

well, it did end up doing in chinese command and control, which contributed to them not forming the battleline (there was also allegations that the captain of the flagship ignored the admiral's orders). poor morale then spread when the Xi Yuan and Kwang Chia fled.

the fight was a lot closer than most people realize- foreign observers were surprised that the japanese ships didn't sink.

Herodotus
18 Feb 09,, 02:53
1894 is considered modern age ?

The early modern age ended in 1815, so anything later would be modern, or later modern if you so desire.