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    The Coming War with Iran and The Future of the Clash of Civilizations
    Iran is said to be building nuclear weapons. If in fact this is the case, US and its Allies are unlikely to allow this to happen. Many commentators have commented that war is likely, if not inevitable, Bush as president or not. The magnitude of a war with Iran and its strategic consequences are vast, and the impact of this on the future of the Muslim World is in my honest opinion, not being understood by the masses.

    I believe that war with Iran is imminent. Iran is about to be blown out of the water - as is indicated by recent US military buildup around the Gulf (and not just in Iraq). The Israeli affair in Syria (and I don't think it was about North Korea at all), recent statements by the French Foreign Minister, labeling the Quds force as terrorists, pressure on the security council, steady propaganda buildup in the US media, all seem to be building up to an attack. [Update: Obama's Zionist packed administration is unlikely to change this assessment].

    It is imperative for Iran to be prepared. In an attack scenario, massive air-raids could take out everything they have, including much of their industrial base and civilian infrastructure. Iran could be bombed to the stone age, minus the oil related infrastructure. Just as the once modern and industrialized parts of Iraq now lie in ruin. But what does Iran have, that it can bank on for such a confrontation? Has it been preparing for this? Do they know what is headed their way? Unfortunately, despite the bluster from Ahmedinejad, Iran today does not have much that it can count on. Iran does have a military-industrial base, something few Muslim countries have. Yet their technology level is of the 1970s and years of incompetent policies has resulted in little improvement. Their military is unlikely to be more than a speed bump for kind of attack the US is planning.

    The Iranians have repeatedly refused to upgrade their air defenses, insidious politics and the perception that their air force has been pro-Shah has meant their most valued military arm is no more than a stinted and emaciated old man. But even if they upgraded and mustered squadrons of Su-27 FLANKERS or S-300s, their defenses would eventually crumble against overwhelming odds. This simple military fact somehow never sunk in for the Iranians. They cannot fight a guerilla war to protect their society, infrastructure and industries. Conventional war is still an exclusive weapon of the West. The best thing they can do is to disassemble their nuclear installations and spread them into a million different locations, to salvage something of their nuclear technology. Investing in serious dispersed and layered SAM defenses may also be somewhat effective. Nothing can substitute a well-trained air force.

    Iran has barely invested in upgrading any of its major weapons systems. They have wasted their time and energy in building outdated weapons and "national development projects" that today are obsolete and ineffective in a modern conventional war. Building copies of the F-5 will not do anything for Iran. It will at best mean US pilots have to spend an extra few days shooting them down. What a shame. Arrogance leading to blindlness, blindness to tragedy.

    And yet with darkness there is always light; On the other side of the coin, Iran has played its political cards well with Syria and Hezbollah and also built a solid base in Iraq. It can win a guerilla war. But nobody ever wins a guerilla war, the price you pay is beyond estimation, beyond rationalization, beyond logic. Suffering that haunts for generations without end.

    Yet, again, unity brings hope. One can go so far as to speculate and alliance with the Taliban as indicated by the latter's new Chinese weapons and IEDs. The Chinese are not supplying the Taliban, and Pakistan is also unlikely to do so. It seems clear that an uneasy but quickly solidifying alliance is forming between the unlikely - Iran and the Taliban. This is really the most significant event in recent history amongst Muslims. This could be the first time in a centuries that the Shias and the Sunnis are coming together (as they always should have) and fighting a united battle, globally. And herein lies that silver lining we have so earnestly searched for.

    In the global war against Islam, after the fall of Iran, (and this I am assuming is a foregone conclusion), only one major Muslim country will be left that would still need to be reckoned with - Pakistan. Pakistan with the finest Muslim army in the contemporary world, with technology and tactics that are "good enough" to go toe-to-toe against a Western foe. Pakistan with its nuclear weapons, modern weapon systems ranging from cruise missiles to tanks and combat aircraft. Pakistan. The last hope.

    And yet, today Pakistan is not yet ready to stand alone. Pakistan needs time, time to overcome its corrupt politicians and generals. Time for the Pakistani military-industrial projects to mature, which in a decade will become a bastion of self-reliance and strength. And thus we hope to buy time for Pakistan. And perhaps the fight for Iran, particularly if it gets bogged down, just might give Pakistan that needed time to prepare.

    It has been most surprising to see that China has not played its hand yet. Yet, 2008 is a vital policy year for China, and it is likely that Chinese policies will change dramatically from 2009. A resurgent China will play a vital role for Pakistan against a common encircling. enemy. With the fall of Iran, China will lose its last bastion in the middle east and will effectively be in strategically unsound waters for Peak Oil. Perhaps China needs to start thinking globally. A minimalist, low key approach is not always the best choice. As in the game of chess, when the end game begins, the more aggressive player typically wins. And if China fails to radically shift its foreign policy, they will face defeat.

    And thus, as we look at the wider picture, a picture not unlike the pre-WWII world, we seefailing markets and a global currency in crisis stretch diplomacy between the Great Nations. A world with powers vying for limited resources. We see that the world is moving back to a period not dissimilar to colonial times and this is becoming more of a war between the Third World and the First World, as much as it is a war between the West and Islam. Let us take pause and remember that it was not the Third World which freed itself. It was the battle to grab our resources within the First World that perchance resulted in our freedom, a freedom we have managed to lose since. And Japan was a rising power, a Third World nation that had forgotten its place not unlike China today. In a surpising twist of history, we owe our freedoms to these upstarts and today, any victory against the West has to include a clear strategy vis-a-vis China. Without China, no matter how hard we fight, we have lost the war before fighting it.

    For our part, we must unite first, as one Muslim global community before we can look to anyone else. Only through unity can we even begin to have a chance. We have not been united or functional in a long time, but the present climate is forcing us to again become united. We then need a vision and a plan on what needs to be done.

    If I were to paint a picture of what needs to be done in the Islamic world, it would be built around a revolution in thinking and in particular, Islamic Economics. The founding blocks of any military might is Economics. Terrorism can neither defend Islam nor defeat our enemies. Today our economic systems are badly made replicas of the West, and are highly ineffective. Our thinkers do not trust in themselves to build a better system and believe that a system built around such things as no interest amongst other Islamic salients, is impossible. However, it is possible and has already been worked on in great detail in the centers of Islamic learning around the world. This in the end, can be our only real weapon in defending ourselves, mundane Economics.

    The second important aspect is to build a solid industrial base and an effective military-industrial complex. Pakistan, Malaysia and Iran are the only Muslim countries that have anything resembling an industrial base (Turkey never counts). Pakistan and Iran are the only countries that have effectively invested in building this into a military-industrial complex. Of them, Iran is more self-sufficient while being technologically outdated, and Pakistan is quite a bit more dependent on foreign suppliers while being a most remarkable model in terms of technological prowess and successful projects. The Al-Khalid Tank, the JF-17 fighter, cruise missiles are but a few examples of what Pakistan has achieved, far beyond the wildest dreams of the rest of the Muslim world. The JF-17 and the J-10, in the scenario that Pakistan is confronted by the West, would play a key role in providing credible defense against western air power. For the first time since Japan's Zero fighters, we as Asians have something to fight with.

    Virtually every single weapon system Pakistan has developed is the first of its kind in the Muslim world, in terms of combat effectiveness and independence of production and supply. The JF-17 is the pinnacle of this. Weapon systems such as the JF-17, Al-Khalid and Babur amongst others have no equivalents in the Islamic world and remain but pipe dreams, if even that. These weapon systems and the extreme professionalism of the Pakistan military are what will (hopefully) differentiate Pakistan from Iraq and Iran. Nuclear weapons are unlikely to be of much use, given both sides will have these but is likely to keep India at bay.

    Pakistan really is our last hope, and the last hope of the Islamic world. It is true that Pakistanis owe nothing to the Muslim world (as pro-Musharaf supporters like to point out), who have been a hindrance if anything and often supported their arch enemy, India. Yet, a time is coming when the rest of the Islamic world would gladly beg Pakistan to save the rest of us, and they will be the only ones to be able to do it. I know deep down that beyond Musharraf, most Pakistanis do not believe in a Pakistan-only-excluding-Islamic-world-centric doctrine.

    Back in time, I personally supported Musharraf when he came to power and then opposed him when he let the Americans free access. In retrospect, while I still disagree with siding with the Americans, the last 7 years has given vital breathing space to buildup Pakistan, economically, industrially and militarily. The tradeoff in the real-politic is obviously Waziristan. Perhaps that tradeoff will now come back to change things the less pleasant way. This has been an era for Pakistan and now this era of supporting the US is in decline.

    Times are changing, and neither Musharraf nor the old political elite can help. On the other hand it will serve no purpose to have a Taliban revolution that would put such matters into the hands of simple minded men. The best thing that could happen at this point in Pakistan is an internal coup by the army, led by someone like General Usmani. The "right time" for this will be in the immediate aftermath of the bombing-to-the-stone-age of Iran.

    Moving on to Afghanistan, what will happen in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of Iran, is a huge movement combining for the first time, the Taliban and the Iranian Shiite movement. If such an alliance forms, this would unite the Islamic front for the first time in 1400 years. As I have noted earlier, there are already signs of such cooperation, including the Taliban's brand new Chinese weapons.

    While I have attempted to talk of the immediate tactics to what is being presumed to happen very soon, I have left out the politico-spiritual aspect of it. This is as important, if not the most important part. Only through unity can we succeed against the present overwhelming odds. I believe the spiritual leadership of Islam resides no more within the Arab world or in the Ayatollahs of Iran, but rather they reside in the West. Men like Yusuf Islam and Yusuf Estes would befit the moral leadership of the Islamic world, far more than any Saudi sheikh or Iranian cleric would, and would be far more acceptable to the Islamic world, as a whole, and not divided in parts. They would also avoid a power struggle or a split. The men best suited to lead us against the West, and being reverts to Islam, really have the essence of what being a true Muslim means. I would dearly like to see a great migration of such men to the Muslim world.

    Whether the coming war with Iran triggers this or some crazy terror attack, a migration of Muslims from the West back to their countries would be most helpful to the Muslim world. They would bring back key skills and knowledge that would help galvanize local economies. This has already happened to a great extent after 9/11. If you look at the 6 years after 9/11, Muslim countries with sizable immigrant populations abroad like Pakistan and Bangladesh have significantly benefited from inflows of migrants, investments and technical skills. This is both reflected in GDP growth rates in an otherwise anemic global economy, as well as in net investments and net exports. Islamabad and Dhaka (to name two) in 1997 and in 2007 are completely unrecognizable places, not completely unlike in their pace of growth to Beijing.

    I personally hope that none of what I have guesstimated ever comes true, and I certainly also hope any of my readers don't get caught in it if it does happen. I am not a war-monger, and I don't think I ever want to do anything that will harm another human being, whether he or she be Muslim, Christian or Jewish. Yet in such times it would be a crime not to prepare. For we all hold the guilt of inactivity every time an Iraqi dies at some crazy US soldier's hands. For every Guantanamo Bay innocent prisoner. For every house gone to "collateral damage". For everything that you and I know, but do not want to recall, for the guilt in our hearts wants to forget.
    http://www.grandestrategy.com/2007/0...future-of.html
    The author seems to be seriously convinced that Pakistan is the sole guardian and the last hope of the Islamic world. However, what confuses is the reference in context of an attack on Iran.
    sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...

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    The bit where he compares the JF-17 and the J-10 to the Zero is hilarious. The J-10 is the equivelant of a late block F-16, the JF-17 the equivelant of an early block F-16... If thats all the 'asians' as he puts it have to fight the westerners with then IMO things arnet looking good for them.

    The rest of the article is too dumb to even comment on. The authour makes the mistake that many Pakistanis make in believing that their country is anything more than your typical 3rd world s**thole with no prospects that got lucky and has aquired some nukes.

    Without them it has no chance against the western democracies... if it uses them it would be turned to glass... the choice is theirs.

    Seriously... someone put them out of their misery.
    The best part of repentance is the sin

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    • #3
      The author of this opinion is probably mad and in denial of what a toilet Pakistan is in.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 1980s View Post
        The author of this opinion is probably mad and in denial of what a toilet Pakistan is in.
        Wasnt it Nostradamus that predicted the war to end all wars will start in the middle east by a madman Starting in 2009 ending 2011 .

        I aint a Nossy fan but it looks like this is one prediction he probably will get right , below taken from google .


        Sample Chapter
        Elite group controls global economy; worldwide depression planned

        (Century VI, Quatrain 41)

        The Elite families made their influence and fortunes in the banking and commodities industries, such as gold, oil, copper, tins, etc. This is much like the colonial barons associated with the European world empires who started their families' fortunes exploiting the materials of the Third World nations. The Elite manipulate the economy to cause the unemployment or inflation rates to rise or fall at their whim. They have affected everyone's life.

        They are "pulling the strings" behind the scenes to manipulate world politics and economies for personal gain. These master puppeteers operate figureheads in many countries, governments, and the major world capitals. They are united but are very clever in disguising their influence. They hold positions that appear to be relatively minor, like advisors and under-secretaries and such, but are key positions of their power.

        (Century II, Quatrain 96)

        In the daytime they appear to be good, loyal, model citizens working for the same goals their governments are supposedly working for, but behind the scenes they band together and pool their information and contacts to work for their own ends. They do not appear to have any political power but they really have a firm grip on world affairs, like sharp teeth sunk into everything.

        This secret organization has been in existence for several generations. Their existence is hinted in the family histories of the banking powers and money centers of the world. Only the families involved are aware. The leaders has been very slowly but surely building up a worldwide network of power, because they want to take over but stay behind the scenes.
        Crazed leader launches nuclear bombs on Mediterranean and Europe

        (Century II, Quatrains 3 and 4)

        During a period of continuing unrest, the leader of a Middle Eastern country will be able to obtain a nuclear weapon. He will go to the greatest lengths over the smallest things and will not hesitate to use the weapon because of his obsessions with deadly warfare. The people he is warring against retaliate with a nuclear weapon. The country has a coast on the Mediterranean.

        One of the bombs will land in the Mediterranean instead of the land, poisoning all the fish. The passages of trade in the region will be disrupted so that the people on the other coast will be desperate for food and will eat the fish anyway. It will happen near the east coast of the Mediterranean in a region of dark-colored cliffs.

        (Century III, Quatrain 83)

        The nuclear weapon being dropped by one of the Middle Eastern countries will spark off yet another war on top of that war. European nations will try to interfere to diminish the threat to oil supplies. When the European countries try to interfere, the crazed leader will use the rest of his arsenal on Europe, most striking the Italian Peninsula.

        The European Mediterranean coast, particularly that of Italy and France, will be almost uninhabitable, and Italy will get the brunt. This leader is not the Antichrist but helps to set the stage for the Antichrist to rise to power with little or no opposition.
        Volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, droughts

        (Century IV, Quatrain 67)

        A very bright, previously unknown comet will appear and coincide with the time of great geological troubles, with earthquakes and volcanoes erupting and disrupting weather systems. This will cause widespread famines, droughts, and social upheavals in unexpected places. Nations that are considered prosperous and powerful, particularly western nations, will be weakened. They will be torn with civil strife and rioting as people migrate to areas that have water and can support crop-growing. The social upheaval and weakening of political structures will help the Antichrist come to power.

        The United States in particular will be subject to serious natural disasters, particularly earthquakes and flooding, and flatten the nation from end to end, causing enormous conflict, despair, and misery. The US will be bankrupted attempting to deal with its disasters. Three other great nations will send aid to help the citizens survive.

        (Century VIII, Quatrain 29)

        Earth changes will take place that will help the Antichrist's drive for world conquest. In central Europe, southern Europe, and in the Middle East, around the eastern end of the Mediterranean, there will be severe floods. As a result of the disruption to local governments by the natural disasters, the Antichrist will move his troops in under the guise of helping the people restore civil order, but really use this as a device to take over countries, and to use the populations like slaves.

        Serious economic problems will persist along with great social unrest, contributing to the ease with which the Antichrist can seize power. The frightened and hopeful populace will be vulnerable to his rhetoric. The Antichrist will use the disasters as opportunities to overthrow governments and sneak spies into a country. Martial law will be declared in many areas to stop rioting and looting. The Middle East, the source of his power, will not be as devastated as the rest of the world. He offers assistance to other countries trying to recover but he will eventually stab them in the back.

        Antichrist's rise to power in Middle East

        (Century II, Quatrains 23 and 81)

        The Antichrist will take over Iran by using a human decoy to trick the Iranian Ayatollah in power. This will involve the "yes men" and puppets of the Ayatollah's court. The Antichrist will first drive away internal supporters of the Ayatollah by starting a civil war. Then he will put forth a man as a leader, a man for Iranians loyal to the Ayatollah to concentrate their hate on. The man will be assassinated while Iran is being taken over, and his opponents will think they have foiled the overthrow of power by assassinating him. But they will find out later he was merely a decoy and that they played into the plans of the Antichrist.

        The Antichrist will initially obtain power in his own sphere, Asia, and the Middle East. As he grows out of this arena, and into Europe, the next step will be into the Mediterranean, his area of strength. Because of his Middle Eastern heritage he will have already united North Africans, who are sympathetic to his cultural background, with his Asian and Middle Eastern conglomerate.

        Fiasco from communication breakdown between two superpowers

        (Century II, Quatrains 35 and 48)

        Through a mistake, a breakdown in communications between two powerful countries will occur. The situation is a lot more complex than will appear on the surface. The leader involved will feel great regret about what happened and will want to continue his career and help correct the situation, to help make up for the adverse affects.

        But he will be hung, symbolically, by others wishing to take his position in the organization. He will be hung as far as politics and his career are concerned. It will almost be like committing suicide because in the end he will be a broken man. The entire event will be viewed as a fiasco from both sides. It will have very harmful and even cataclysmic consequences.
        Third world country leader creates strife

        (Century III, Quatrain 60)

        A "young dark man" will arise as a leader in a Third World country; his main goal is to unite the other Third World countries to do battle with the superpowers. The area of conflict will be in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, particularly around the Adriatic and the Caspian seas and Israel. No definite winner will emerge but the strife will help set the stage for the Antichrist. Many prophecies in the Bible refer to events in this region.
        Antichrist profits from radar research in Europe

        (Century I, Quatrain 6)

        Research on a more sophisticated type of radar and sensing devices will give greater information to the operator, i.e. an airplane pilot. But the first experiments with the technology will fail in a disastrous accident, when the vibrations emitted by the device cause the chassis of the plane to become weakened and dangerous. The scientists involved with the research will have to temporarily abandon the research because of diplomatic breakdowns, the threat of war, etc.

        This will take place before the Antichrist comes to full power. It will happen in Europe at the time the Antichrist is strengthening his base of power in the Middle East. The devices are currently under development but have not been tested yet. But this is another historical event that will permit the Antichrist to take over Europe.
        War game simulation by Britain in Europe leads to disaster

        (Century II, Quatrain 2)

        In a war-game maneuver involving Great Britain and European troops a malfunctioning computer will cause the "real-world" situation to play out instead of the simulation. As a result of the error actual defenses will be activated and real bombs will be dropped on the areas of the game and cause a tragic international incident.
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        Another interseting google , i reckon the date 2008 is a year out .

        The Prophesied End-Time Revealed


        2008 - God's Final Witness

        The year 2008 has witnessed many prophecies being fulfilled, especially the Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation, which the apostle John saw but was restricted from recording. Those thunders, which will continue to increase in strength and frequency, are revealed in this book, as well as detailed accounts of the final three and one-half years of man's self-rule on earth, which are recorded in the account of the Seventh Seal of Revelation.

        Some of these prophecies concern the demise of the United States over the next six months, which will be followed by man's final world war. This last war will be the result of clashing religions and the governments they sway. Billions will die! This time will far exceed even the very worst times in all human history.

        As these events unfold, the world will increasingly become aware of the authenticity of the words in this book and realize that Ronald Weinland has been sent by God as His end-time prophet.

        This book is primarily directed to the people of the three major religions of the world (Islam, Judaism and Christianity), whose roots are in the God of Abraham. Ronald Weinland has been sent to all three.
        Last edited by tankie; 25 Dec 08,, 18:35.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tankie View Post
          As these events unfold, the world will increasingly become aware of the authenticity of the words in this book and realize that Ronald Weinland has been sent by God as His end-time prophet.
          This made me smirk. Another madman it seems. Perhaps this topic should be made a place for people to post about their favorite madmen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 1980s View Post
            The author of this opinion is probably mad and in denial of what a toilet Pakistan is in.
            People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones
            Last edited by Loyal Royal; 26 Dec 08,, 03:24.

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            • #7
              tankie, the stuff you've posted isn't actual quattrains from Nostradamus, they're interpretations of them. I put no stock in Nostradamus or prophecy myself. I can sit down and write a book myself with vague predictions and most of them could be interpreted by somebody in the future to have come true. :)
              "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                tankie, the stuff you've posted isn't actual quattrains from Nostradamus, they're interpretations of them. I put no stock in Nostradamus or prophecy myself. I can sit down and write a book myself with vague predictions and most of them could be interpreted by somebody in the future to have come true. :)
                Thats correct I/D but they made me smile and i thought it would be fun to post them :)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tankie View Post
                  Wasnt it Nostradamus that predicted the war to end all wars will start in the middle east by a madman Starting in 2009 ending 2011 .
                  I read in somewhere that it was going to happen sometime in 98 or close to the end of last century. Kept waiting for it. Only thing happened back then was a border war between India and Pakistan.

                  But its great fun reading such prophecies. As ID said, all of us can write some crap and then after 500 years people will interpret them as something outstanding.

                  The Nazis created some "prophecies" during WW II and dropped them from their bombers to scare the British.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Yusuf View Post
                    I read in somewhere that it was going to happen sometime in 98 or close to the end of last century. Kept waiting for it. Only thing happened back then was a border war between India and Pakistan.

                    But its great fun reading such prophecies. As ID said, all of us can write some crap and then after 500 years people will interpret them as something outstanding.

                    The Nazis created some "prophecies" during WW II and dropped them from their bombers to scare the British.
                    Correct mate , as i said at the start , i aint a great fan of Nostradmus , but i thought it would be fun to post the interpretations .And yea i thought the dates were all wrong as well ;)

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                    • #11
                      I remember reading one of the books on Nostradamus and in one of the quatrains it said that "Mabus" will cause WWIII. And Mabus was interpreted as something sounding close to Sadam. This was back in mid 90s after the first Gulf War. Was in school then :)):))

                      Nostradamus must have turned in his grave the day Sadam was executed.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yusuf View Post
                        I remember reading one of the books on Nostradamus and in one of the quatrains it said that "Mabus" will cause WWIII. And Mabus was interpreted as something sounding close to Sadam. This was back in mid 90s after the first Gulf War. Was in school then :)):))
                        Didnt he predict Hitler , but called him Hister , which seemed close enough for people to believe ;)

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                        • #13
                          The stupidity is amazing, i have sympathy for the author, it must be a pathetic life he lives with all the paranoia and suspicion.

                          The real fear i have is what if such people start to occupy positions of power around the world, the only safeguard is a democratic setup around the world, even that might not work have seen enough idiots who believe such things elected to office, thankfully they mess up along the way and never get far.

                          This is the real fear the world faces, if such idiots get hold of running it.

                          In some ways this has happened before, like that dictator Saddam Hussein, and to go back in History that short twisted Hitler, some people say Bush going i hear god was another example, however what he did has resulted in some good.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tankie View Post
                            Didnt he predict Hitler , but called him Hister , which seemed close enough for people to believe ;)
                            Oh he did, and it came true. What is interesting is that people derive inferences after all the events have passed. I would like to know if there are any events in the modern era that were predicted before hand and not just inferred after the event had passed.

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                            • #15
                              Sorry Delta for talking off topic. But yes Pakistan has always felt it was the leader of the Islamic world.

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