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Ironduke
23 Dec 08,, 10:56
Technically I'm violating my very own rule regarding versus threads... but with the holiday season upon us, I think there's no question more pertinent than that of....

Ham vs. Turkey

Perhaps the question can also be framed as Thanksgiving dinner vs. Christmas dinner.

I have always assumed that most people bake a ham for Christmas dinner, though I'm aware some people have a turkey. I strongly prefer ham myself. What's your favorite?

Southie
23 Dec 08,, 12:15
I actually cook both ham and turkey. I will be having 13 people for Christmas dinner...some don't like ham...others don't like turkey! And plenty of leftovers to last a couple of days so I don't have to cook!

Shiny Capstar
23 Dec 08,, 14:20
In Britain Turkey is traditional for Christmas, but Goose is becoming more common these days.

Herodotus
23 Dec 08,, 14:41
In Britain Turkey is traditional for Christmas, but Goose is becoming more common these days.

I remember reading A Christmas Carol-or seeing one of the movies-where Scrooge brings the Cratchit family a goose for Christmas at the end. Maybe that was a trend setter in Britain. :biggrin:

As for my family we buck the trend and have roast beef (usually) for Christmas, though this year we are having turkey.

Southie
23 Dec 08,, 14:49
I remember reading A Christmas Carol-or seeing one of the movies-where Scrooge brings the Cratchit family a goose for Christmas at the end. Maybe that was a trend setter in Britain. :biggrin:

As for my family we buck the trend and have roast beef (usually) for Christmas, though this year we are having turkey.

Years ago I made a roast...with yorkshire pudding! It was great, but the family prefers turkey. :)

Albany Rifles
23 Dec 08,, 15:05
We usually have a standing rib roast but this year we are having a spiral cut sugar cured ham.

When I was a kid we always had a turkey dinner for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years.

I know the Germans usually have pork for New Year since pigs tend to root forward while eating.

tankie
23 Dec 08,, 15:06
Turkey :eek: OMG , i personally prefer lamb/beef /pork/chicken ,, anything but turkey ;)

Parihaka
23 Dec 08,, 15:20
Warm tandoori chicken salad for me, some salmon for her indoors, chicken nibbles and cold pasta salad for the kids. Pavlova (gooseberry, strawberry & cream filling) for desert. God knows what I'll feed the in-laws, maybe lamb.

tankie
23 Dec 08,, 15:36
Warm tandoori chicken salad for me, some salmon for her indoors, chicken nibbles and cold pasta salad for the kids. Pavlova (gooseberry, strawberry & cream filling) for desert. God knows what I'll feed the in-laws, maybe lamb.

You either love the in laws or hate them , fess up which is it , then i will know why ,,, LAMB ;)

Langshan
23 Dec 08,, 15:47
For the United States, in November we always have Turkey. At Christmas time the wife fixes Turkey and Ham with all of the "grown-up" children and our 1 grandchild.

dave lukins
23 Dec 08,, 18:14
Years ago I made a roast...with yorkshire pudding! It was great, but the family prefers turkey. :)

Nothing wrong with yorkshires with turkey;)

Turkey :eek: OMG , i personally prefer lamb/beef /pork/chicken ,, anything but turkey ;)

Do do realise your not meant to choose the lot:eek::))

tankie
23 Dec 08,, 18:17
Nothing wrong with yorkshires with turkey;)


Do do realise your not meant to choose the lot:eek::))

Ok so i missed out,,,,,,,,,,,,,, OR :tongue:

Taurkon
23 Dec 08,, 18:50
Thanksgiving - Turkey
Christmas - Turkey ++

Of course, can't forget the fixings!!!

Mashed potatos preped with lotsa butter & cream topped with turkey gravy
Sweet Potatos with the brown sugar sprinkled on top
Turkey Stuffing
24 hour salad (whipped cream, marshmellows, and fruit based)
Typical veggies
real cranberry sauce
home cooked dinner rolls
home baked apple pie
home baked chocolate/pumpkin cheese cake

2 more sleeps! :)

gunnut
23 Dec 08,, 18:51
Ham

Turkey is for the birds.

tankie
23 Dec 08,, 18:53
Ham

Turkey is for the birds.

grroooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn

or for people on turkey shoots ;)

Shamus
23 Dec 08,, 19:05
Ham

Turkey is for the birds.:biggrin: Ham....slow-cooked,spiral sliced,brown sugar glazed with some strategically placed pineapple slices.....scalloped potatoes....fresh green beans lightly sauteed' with butter,garlic and majoram.....fresh baked biscuits hot from the oven.......yeah;)

gunnut
23 Dec 08,, 19:54
*drool*

Have you ever had Honey Baked Ham? Not just the food, but there's a store here called Honey Baked Ham. Guess what they sell?

Wooglin
23 Dec 08,, 20:13
*drool*

Have you ever had Honey Baked Ham? Not just the food, but there's a store here called Honey Baked Ham. Guess what they sell?

Turkeys? ;)

Definitely Ham for me. And if I had my way I'd do away with turkey on Thanksgiving and do ham that day as well.

Shamus
23 Dec 08,, 20:33
*drool*

Have you ever had Honey Baked Ham? Not just the food, but there's a store here called Honey Baked Ham. Guess what they sell?Do I know Honey Baked Hams??? Ahem,I direct your attention the the following link with the history of the company ;):biggrin: http://www.honeybaked.com/

texasjohn
23 Dec 08,, 20:39
I asked my abnormal family the same question - turkey or Ham?

Their answer? Brisket with all the Christmas trimmings and sides! The wife is out there now trying to find a decent brisket in off-season - she loves the idea...I'm the poor sod out there in the cold keeping the fire going. I hope it's not going to be windy. That would suck!!

dave lukins
23 Dec 08,, 20:54
A good friend of mine is having a 'Gedunk', don't ask:confused: All the birds are boned and laid out on top of each other, reshaped, then into the oven. Turkey, goose, duck, pheasant and partridge. It is expensive and has to be ordered well in advance but the end result is rather impressive

Southie
23 Dec 08,, 20:58
A good friend of mine is having a 'Gedunk', don't ask:confused: All the birds are boned and laid out on top of each other, reshaped, then into the oven. Turkey, goose, duck, pheasant and partridge. It is expensive and has to be ordered well in advance but the end result is rather impressive

That does sound interesting. I've had a Turducken before. That is a turkey, stuffed with a duck, stuffed with a chicken! :biggrin:

Herodotus
23 Dec 08,, 21:43
A good friend of mine is having a 'Gedunk', don't ask:confused: All the birds are boned and laid out on top of each other, reshaped, then into the oven. Turkey, goose, duck, pheasant and partridge. It is expensive and has to be ordered well in advance but the end result is rather impressive

That does sound good. But I wonder if you can savor all the different flavors or if one of the birds over-powers the others.

troung
23 Dec 08,, 21:51
Turks once ruled East Europe, Russia, the entire Middle East, Central Asia and exorted China.

What the **** has Ham done?

Enough said :mad:

Some versus threads are not worth the effort... :mad:

Parihaka
23 Dec 08,, 22:01
You either love the in laws or hate them , fess up which is it , then i will know why ,,, LAMB ;)

They're from the northern hemisphere. They've got used to the idea of no snow and going to the beach at Christmas, but still need large lumps of hot meat or it's just not Christmas dinner.
And I do do a mean roast lamb fillet with Mole poblano

tankie
23 Dec 08,, 22:03
They're from the northern hemisphere. They've got used to the idea of no snow and going to the beach at Christmas, but still need large lumps of hot meat or it's just not Christmas dinner.
And I do do a mean roast lamb fillet with Mole poblano

:biggrin::biggrin:

gunnut
23 Dec 08,, 22:42
What the **** has Ham done?

Ham is the central ingredient in a burger, the de facto world food, thanks to American cultural dominance.

troung
23 Dec 08,, 22:56
Ham is the central ingredient in a burger, the de facto world food, thanks to American cultural dominance.

Ham, so there is pork in burgers :frown:?

gunnut
23 Dec 08,, 23:02
Ham, so there is pork in burgers :frown:?

Sure, if there's a Turk in turkey. :biggrin:

Pigs also gave us bacon. That alone is greater than anything turkey has ever done.

troung
23 Dec 08,, 23:20
Pigs also gave us bacon. That alone is greater than anything turkey has ever done.

Turkey has kicked Greek/Serb/Polish/Persian/Arab/Chinese/Russian ass - ;)

Ham does not reach the ass kicking levels of Turkey.

gunnut
23 Dec 08,, 23:23
Turkey has kicked Greek/Serb/Polish/Persian/Arab/Chinese/Russian ass - ;)

Ham does not reach the ass kicking levels of Turkey.

Turkey bacon = gross

'nuff said

troung
23 Dec 08,, 23:26
Turkey bacon = gross

Turkey > Swine

Shamus
23 Dec 08,, 23:28
Turkey bacon = gross

'nuff said


Turkey > SwineIf you two don't quit "hamming" it up you're both going to look like turkeys:tongue::biggrin:

troung
23 Dec 08,, 23:33
I actually cook both ham and turkey. I will be having 13 people for Christmas dinner...some don't like ham...others don't like turkey! And plenty of leftovers to last a couple of days so I don't have to cook!

For once in your life make a damn decision!!!!!!

With us or against us!!111!!1

No more cut and run crap.

Shamus
23 Dec 08,, 23:37
For once in your life make a damn decision!!!!!!

With us or against us!!111!!1

No more cut and run crap.I'm gonna have to go with Troung on this Southie(even if he does cry fowl about Christmas dinner:rolleyes:).It's your house,you're providing the dinner....you decide what's cookin'!!;):biggrin:

I'll support your decision either way as long as its ham.....:cool:

Steezy
23 Dec 08,, 23:40
Well one was so awesome they named a country after it, or was it the other way round.....hmm.....

I only like Pork when it comes to hot dogs. Otherwise I just find it tastes like....crap, really. Not that Turkey has a sort of taste whatsoever (It really doesn't), but at least it doesn't taste like Pork

dave lukins
23 Dec 08,, 23:44
Just buy a Ham flavoured Turkey..problem solved;)

troung
24 Dec 08,, 00:33
Well one was so awesome they named a country after it, or was it the other way round.....hmm.....

The bird took the name.... :mad:


but at least it doesn't taste like Pork

That's a start.


I'll support your decision either way as long as its ham.....

Wimp, decisions are wrong most of the time. No point to hold someones hand while they make a mistake.


Just buy a Ham flavoured Turkey..problem solved

Check out the socialist...

ArmchairGeneral
24 Dec 08,, 03:26
I actually cook both ham and turkey. I will be having 13 people for Christmas dinner...some don't like ham...others don't like turkey! And plenty of leftovers to last a couple of days so I don't have to cook!

That's what we do normally. This year it'll just be immediate family, and we're doing a roast. It's gonna be weird having Christmas with just 4 people, used to at least 10, more like 30+ when it's my mom's side.

ArmchairGeneral
24 Dec 08,, 03:28
Pigs also gave us bacon. That alone is greater than anything turkey has ever done.

And that decides it for me. Baaaaaaaaacon. Mm...

Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 08,, 03:54
Lobster and King Crab.

troung
24 Dec 08,, 03:57
Lobster and King Crab.

We did not ask people from nations which don't celebrate X-Mas or Turkey Day now did we?

Go eat a meat pie of something.

Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 08,, 04:02
Followed by the Butter Cookie and Chocolate Milk of course.

Ironduke
24 Dec 08,, 04:04
Turks once ruled East Europe, Russia, the entire Middle East, Central Asia and exorted China.

What the **** has Ham done?

Enough said :mad:

Some versus threads are not worth the effort... :mad:
Well, there is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham,_son_of_Noah

chakos
24 Dec 08,, 04:41
BBQ prawns, ribs and souvlaki :biggrin:

Does one expect any less of a Greek Australian??

Mother in law brought Turkey and we did buy a leg of ham though. Polished off the Turkey and now im slowly doing the ham. Might take a while though.. thing weighs like 6Kg.

Mobbme
24 Dec 08,, 04:50
Turkey.

dave lukins
24 Dec 08,, 11:07
BBQ prawns, ribs and souvlaki :biggrin:

Souvlaki mmmm washed down with lots of Ouzo...makes me want to light the BBQ:)

tankie
24 Dec 08,, 11:23
The bird took the name.... :mad:



That's a start.



Wimp, decisions are wrong most of the time. No point to hold someones hand while they make a mistake.



Check out the socialist...

Awwwwww c,mon troung FEZ up , wot you having for xmas ,a holiday perhaps ,, try Bernard Mathews Turkey farm ? its in Ham,,pshire , apparently you can pig out on the freebies :rolleyes:

Albany Rifles
24 Dec 08,, 15:02
For once in your life make a damn decision!!!!!!

With us or against us!!111!!1

No more cut and run crap.

And serve Freedom Fries with it, damn it!

Albany Rifles
24 Dec 08,, 15:05
Well one was so awesome they named a country after it, or was it the other way round.....hmm.....

I only like Pork when it comes to hot dogs. Otherwise I just find it tastes like....crap, really. Not that Turkey has a sort of taste whatsoever (It really doesn't), but at least it doesn't taste like Pork


That is SO WRONG!!!!!:eek:

HOT FREAKIN' DOGS!?!?!?!?!?! ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR SKULL!?!?!?!?!

Come to Virginia and I can show you soem pork done just fine.

firestar
24 Dec 08,, 18:59
A couple of Cornish game hens.

Shiny Capstar
24 Dec 08,, 21:31
And serve Freedom Fries with it, damn it!

I still love the idea of naming them freedom fries, just because the French didn't support the invasion of Iraq... very petty;):biggrin:

Southie
25 Dec 08,, 02:29
For once in your life make a damn decision!!!!!!

With us or against us!!111!!1

No more cut and run crap.


I'm gonna have to go with Troung on this Southie(even if he does cry fowl about Christmas dinner:rolleyes:).It's your house,you're providing the dinner....you decide what's cookin'!!;):biggrin:

I'll support your decision either way as long as its ham.....:cool:

Well if you all are going to give me a hard time about my menu for Christmas dinner maybe I'll have turkey "hot" dogs and "ham"burgers instead!!! :))

Hitman817
25 Dec 08,, 05:47
Why the hell, do you people call this stupid-looking bird after my country, this is insulting.:mad:

Dago
25 Dec 08,, 06:41
Turkey has kicked Greek/Serb/Polish/Persian/Arab/Chinese/Russian ass - ;)

Ham does not reach the ass kicking levels of Turkey.

Yeah! When pigs fly!

Gun Grape
25 Dec 08,, 16:20
Why the hell, do you people call this stupid-looking bird after my country, this is insulting.:mad:


You have never hunted one. Have you? Far from stupid



Now for the Ham vs Turkey. Compromise. Serve a ham to eat and drink some fine Wild Turkey bourbon :biggrin:

tankie
25 Dec 08,, 16:51
Why the hell, do you people call this stupid-looking bird after my country, this is insulting.:mad:

Ok what do you suggest that they should be called then ,,,,,,,,


oh hang on ,,,,,,,,, i know ,,,,,,,,,,,, cyprusses .

Dad dad come quick , i just shot my 1st cypriot , can we cook it for thanksgiving . no no nooooooooooo ,son , turkey is much better .:rolleyes:

troung
25 Dec 08,, 17:20
Well, there is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham,_son_of_Noah

Thus proving we should through Ham into the water...


Ok what do you suggest that they should be called then ,,,,,,,,
oh hang on ,,,,,,,,, i know ,,,,,,,,,,,, cyprusses .
Dad dad come quick , i just shot my 1st cypriot , can we cook it for thanksgiving . no no nooooooooooo ,son , turkey is much better .:rolleyes:


Call them Canadians...

tankie
25 Dec 08,, 17:28
Thus proving we should through Ham into the water...




Call them Canadians...

Ahhhh like Labradors huh , nahh cant see it , much better to shoot a turkey than a dog .:biggrin:

troung
25 Dec 08,, 18:18
Canadian and Turkey sound about the same, the are both clumsy and stupid animals; and it should be legal to shoot both...

tankie
25 Dec 08,, 18:23
Canadian and Turkey sound about the same, the are both clumsy and stupid animals; and it should be legal to shoot both...

No no no my friend , labradors are great great gun dogs , (soft mouthed ) so when a turkey is shot and killed ,, off goes faithful lab to fetch it , great eh !

Hardly stupid huh , but the turkey is a bit stupid i must agree , otherwise it wouldnt get shot would it ! , I love dogs me , but i couldnt eat a full one ,, so best shoot a turkey hey ;)

Merry xmas

Hitman817
25 Dec 08,, 22:13
Ok what do you suggest that they should be called then ,,,,,,,,
Well, we call it Hindi, which means India in Turkish.;)


oh hang on ,,,,,,,,, i know ,,,,,,,,,,,, cyprusses .

Dad dad come quick , i just shot my 1st cypriot , can we cook it for thanksgiving . no no nooooooooooo ,son , turkey is much better .:rolleyes:


How about Greece?:cool:

Hitman817
25 Dec 08,, 22:15
Hardly stupid huh , but the turkey is a bit stupid i must agree , otherwise it wouldnt get shot would it ! , I love dogs me , but i couldnt eat a full one ,, so best shoot a turkey hey ;)

Merry xmas

:mad::mad::mad:

tankie
26 Dec 08,, 12:19
:mad::mad::mad:

I would be mad as well if my G/F had served up turkey , But she didnt we had Beef and ,,er,, Ham , cant stand turkey myself , but they are ok to shoot as long someone eats them , otherwise its a pointless exercise dontcha think ,ol boy ;)

Happy new year .:)

Hitman817
26 Dec 08,, 12:58
I would be mad as well if my G/F had served up turkey , But she didnt we had Beef and ,,er,, Ham , cant stand turkey myself , but they are ok to shoot as long someone eats them , otherwise its a pointless exercise dontcha think ,ol boy ;)
You know, some day I'm going to find the ugliest animal that there is and name it Britania. And I'm gonna eat it.........:mad:


Happy new year .:)

the same.:rolleyes:

chakos
26 Dec 08,, 13:07
Hey hey... As an Australian Greek Cypriot (bloody mouthfull) i will have none of this naming of ridiculous looking animals after any of the abovementioned countries. :biggrin:

Mind you you would think the Greeks would name a turkey after Turkey just to put crap on them but the name of a turkey in Greek has nothing to do with the country.. go figure

Hitman817
26 Dec 08,, 13:41
Hey hey... As an Australian Greek Cypriot (bloody mouthfull) i will have none of this naming of ridiculous looking animals after any of the abovementioned countries. :biggrin:
If it was up to me, I'd call it Britania instead of India? I will probably start lobbying for this idea.....:cool:


Mind you you would think the Greeks would name a turkey after Turkey just to put crap on them but the name of a turkey in Greek has nothing to do with the country.. go figure

What is it called in Greek?

Officer of Engineers
26 Dec 08,, 14:01
Canadian and Turkey sound about the same, the are both clumsy and stupid animals; and it should be legal to shoot both...And Americans prefer the slow torture of Celine Dion and she was welcomed with open arms ... and open wallets.

chakos
26 Dec 08,, 14:55
What is it called in Greek?

galopoula/galopoulos/galopoulo (feminine/masculine/neutral)

Hitman817
26 Dec 08,, 15:22
galopoula/galopoulos/galopoulo (feminine/masculine/neutral)

What does it mean?

chakos
26 Dec 08,, 15:59
every greek word has a feminine, masculine and neutral version. Those are the 3 versions of turkey in Greek. The word itself doesnt mean anything apart from turkey (the bird)

tankie
26 Dec 08,, 16:47
What does it mean?

Bloody big tortoises , name one RULE BRITTANIA and have yourself a feast ;)

tankie
26 Dec 08,, 17:17
You know, some day I'm going to find the ugliest animal that there is and name it Britania. And I'm gonna eat it.........:mad:


Watch the bones dont get stuck in your throat , and one does not have to venture far from your homeland to find the ugliest animals , is that one hump or two , i can see it now , Britannia camel and chips :rolleyes:

Shiny Capstar
26 Dec 08,, 17:30
Watch the bones dont get stuck in your throat , and one does not have to venture far from your homeland to find the ugliest animals , is that one hump or two , i can see it now , Britannia camel and chips :rolleyes:

The ugliest animal of all comes from a tumour growing off the side of England, they say those that live there are part sheep:eek:......:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggri n:

(If the smilies aren't enough for anybody I shall clarify, it is a bad joke:biggrin:)

tankie
26 Dec 08,, 17:41
The ugliest animal of all comes from a tumour growing off the side of England, they say those that live there are part sheep:eek:......:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggri n:

(If the smilies aren't enough for anybody I shall clarify, it is a bad joke:biggrin:)

HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hitman817
26 Dec 08,, 20:54
Watch the bones dont get stuck in your throat , and one does not have to venture far from your homeland to find the ugliest animals , is that one hump or two , i can see it now , Britannia camel and chips :rolleyes:

I think, I have found it....

http://www.doggienews.com/uploaded_images/pee-wee-ugly-dog-726165.jpg


It looks exactly like Churchil (http://www.salestraining.de/umberto/churchil.jpg), don't you think so?:eek:

tankie
27 Dec 08,, 13:16
I think, I have found it....

http://www.doggienews.com/uploaded_images/pee-wee-ugly-dog-726165.jpg


It looks exactly like Churchil (http://www.salestraining.de/umberto/churchil.jpg), don't you think so?:eek:

A bit off thread there mate , but never mind , he,s still better looking than a turkey ,, old Adolf called him a few names as well , did him no good tho did it ;)

Hitman817
27 Dec 08,, 16:47
A bit off thread there mate , but never mind , he,s still better looking than a turkey ,, old Adolf called him a few names as well , did him no good tho did it ;)

I didn't call him any names and as far as I know he had to resign because he couldn't kill a Turkey.;)

tankie
27 Dec 08,, 18:08
I didn't call him any names and as far as I know he had to resign because he couldn't kill a Turkey.;)

Yea you did , you called him an ugly animal :P

dave lukins
27 Dec 08,, 20:30
Yea you did , you called him an ugly animal :P

And is he wrong?...just like you and Winston, the doctor slapped the midwife...Now if you and him was beautiful like me:rolleyes::rolleyes:

tankie
27 Dec 08,, 21:02
And is he wrong?...just like you and Winston, the doctor slapped the midwife...Now if you and him was beautiful like me:rolleyes::rolleyes:


Hoy umbilical chord , the wrong bit was thrown away with you :P

Hitman817
27 Dec 08,, 23:46
Yea you did , you called him an ugly animal :P

Not literally, but we don't want to get lost in technicalities do we.....


Btw. I respect the man, in spite of his obvious optical shortcomings.;)

tankie
28 Dec 08,, 12:41
Not literally, but we don't want to get lost in tecnicalitis do we.....


Btw. I respect the man, in spite of his obvious optical shortcomings.;)

Ah well , ok then , hey guess what the fav sandwich is now after xmas , yup , turkey .

Hitman817
28 Dec 08,, 13:06
Ah well , ok then , hey guess what the fav sandwich is now after xmas , yup , turkey .

Well, I guess that means, I'll promote the eating of Britannia-Kebap (http://www.doggienews.com/uploaded_images/pee-wee-ugly-dog-726165.jpg) in Turkey....:cool:

tankie
28 Dec 08,, 13:59
Well, I guess that means, I'll promote the eating of Britannia-Kebap (http://www.doggienews.com/uploaded_images/pee-wee-ugly-dog-726165.jpg) in Turkey....:cool:

LOL ok but let my try to convince you that turkey burgers are better :biggrin:

bonehead
30 Dec 08,, 01:47
Turkey burgers are fowl.

Ironduke
30 Dec 08,, 01:55
Turkey burgers are fowl.
I like them. I generally buy meat products made from turkey rather than other meats... leaner, lower fat.