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    China Buying Up World's Sinking Assets

    Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:30 PM

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    BARCELONA, Spain � Chinese companies are shopping for companies in Europe and around the world, undeterred by the global financial crisis. In fact, they are hunting for bargains.

    Analysts and business leaders say the economic meltdown that has pummelled global stock markets may be bad news for the West, but it could be a boon to Chinese companies flush with cash and looking for places to put it _ despite being burned on earlier investments.

    "Business people from China have quite a high level of confidence that we will recover from the impact, and they see more opportunities through this crisis," said Fu Chengyu, chairman of China's third largest state-owned oil company, CNOOC Ltd. "We feel more confident than we did six months ago, but this all depends on how we manage this opportunity ... We are looking forward to the next six months."

    The optimism comes despite fears that China's economy is slowing, and that the government will be less enthusiastic about big Chinese companies sending investment overseas.

    Cheap prices, low interest rates and China's insatiable appetite for raw materials are all likely to keep Chinese pocketbooks open, good news for capital-hungry Western companies that have seen their profits dwindle and their access to credit tighten.

    "Cash is king, and China has a lot of cash, and the whole world is for sale at a discount," said Charles Tang, the chairman of the Brazil-China chamber of commerce. "China should wait a few more months and then go on a shopping spree, to secure what it needs at a super discount."

    Where trade restrictions once prevented some high profile deals from getting done, some see progress.

    "Things are changing," said Frank-Juergen Richter, president of Horasis, a Geneva, Switzerland-based group that helped organize the Global Chinese Business Meeting, a conference here bringing Chinese and global business leaders together. "The U.S. and Europe realize that they need Chinese investment" to help ward off a recession.

    Chinese companies invested $34.16 billion overseas in the first half of 2008, including $25.66 billion in non-financial institutions. That last figure represents a 229 percent increase over the same period in 2007, according to Chinese government figures.

    With their balance sheets loaded with cash, and with interest rates falling, many believe the upward investment trend will continue, despite the risks.

    The Chinese financial system has avoided the turmoil that has paralyzed Western markets, thanks to far stricter regulations. And the Chinese economy, while slowed considerable by the global downturn, is still expected to grow at an enviable 8 percent rate in 2009, helped in part by a $586 billion government stimulus package announced earlier this month.

    Most Chinese investment overseas has so far focused on the banking and oil sectors.

    In August, China's largest offshore oil-services provider, China Oilfield Services, announced it was buying Norway's Awilco Offshore in a deal valued at $2.5 billion. And in March, the Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. finalized the US$5 billion purchase of a 20 percent stake in South Africa's Standard bank, the biggest overseas investment ever by a Chinese investment institution.

    China has also invested heavily elsewhere in Africa and in Latin America, with Aluminum Corp. of China investing more than US$2 billion in a copper mountain in Peru, and others snapping up stakes in mining, commercial farming and construction in Congo, Zimbabwe and Zambia, among other places.

    There are risks as well, particularly for companies flush with cash but short on experience in investing.

    Chinese companies have been burned on investment in Western banking and financial companies. China's Ping An Insurance Co. was the biggest foreign shareholder in Fortis, a Dutch-Belgian bank that got into trouble and had to be taken over by the French and Dutch governments in October. Ping An said recently that it would take a $2.3 billion loss.

    But whatever losses Chinese companies have suffered are dwarfed by the amount of cash they still have on hand. Ping An, for instance, still has $100 billion in assets, and can absorb the Fortis losses with relative ease.

    Todd Lee, an analyst and head of the Greater China Group at Global Insight, said the government was likely to put the brakes on companies moving too much wealth overseas.

    "On the one hand, assets are cheaper overseas, so for Chinese companies that are doing well that does present an opportunity," he said from his Boston office. "On the other hand, the Chinese government is very concerned about growth and the effect the global recession will have on the economy so they don't want to see capital leaving China on a massive scale."

    Indeed, Chinese government leaders have warned the country's business community not to leap too soon into a market still searching for the bottom. Li Rongrong, the chairman of the Chinese agency in charge of big state corporations, had blunt words for those licking their chops at the cut-rate prices of overseas companies.

    "Hold your cash," he said last week, according to the China Daily newspaper. "Don't rush. There will be plenty of opportunities in the future."
    how hard this global economic crisis hits china is still unknown,so nobody knows wether it is a wise decision to launch this spending spree.

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    xizhimen, nice to meet you here!
    you live in 西直门?

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    • #3
      huh,nice to meet you too,yes,i live around 西直门,somewhere near beijing jiaotong university.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by xizhimen View Post
        huh,nice to meet you too,yes,i live around 西直门,somewhere near beijing jiaotong university.
        Wow, we are physically very close neigbors. I live nor far from you, near the National Library!

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        • #5
          huh,it is a small world,National Library is my favorite hangout.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by xizhimen View Post
            huh,it is a small world,National Library is my favorite hangout.
            Ah huh, that is cool! It is one of my favourites too. The new digital hall of the National Library is just awsome, with all its modern facilities and big room, isn't it?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by entropy
              Point taken.
              No need for jealousy!:))

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              • #8
                Wal Mart is empty. Best Buy is empty. It may be worse in China than anywhere in the west. In the west there are safety nets.
                Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                ~Ronald Reagan

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
                  Wal Mart is empty. Best Buy is empty. It may be worse in China than anywhere in the west. In the west there are safety nets.
                  China is hard hit, but not as hard as you imagine.
                  The supermakets in Beijing are doing fine!
                  There are many laid-offs in coastal areas due to shringking exports.

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                  • #10
                    Hmm, why is that no one's talking about the money China lost, the last time they went on a overseas buying spree? May be its coz its the govt money and they are not accountable to the people?
                    A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shuimo View Post
                      China is hard hit, but not as hard as you imagine.
                      The supermakets in Beijing are doing fine!
                      There are many laid-offs in coastal areas due to shringking exports.
                      It hasn't even hit in the USA. The contractions in our buying have only been fueled by fear. The unemployment numbers are only now starting to rise. I wouldn't think you will be really effected over there till after the christian new year going into the spring. I hope you weather it well. You have what others here believe is a near perfect capitalist society. It's not like our supermarkets are less full we are just buying less new stuff to replace our perfectly good stuff.
                      Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                      ~Ronald Reagan

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                      • #12
                        You may discover the phenomenon of nationalization where your wealth becomes there wealth buying South American or African resources.
                        Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                        ~Ronald Reagan

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jay View Post
                          Hmm, why is that no one's talking about the money China lost, the last time they went on a overseas buying spree? May be its coz its the govt money and they are not accountable to the people?
                          People do talk here in China.
                          But you are right, this stuff is not quite publicized here due to the fact this money is not owned by the people but the gov.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
                            It hasn't even hit in the USA. The contractions in our buying have only been fueled by fear. The unemployment numbers are only now starting to rise. I wouldn't think you will be really effected over there till after the christian new year going into the spring. I hope you weather it well. You have what others here believe is a near perfect capitalist society. It's not like our supermarkets are less full we are just buying less new stuff to replace our perfectly good stuff.
                            Let wait and see!

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                            • #15
                              China fund says won't bail out Western firms
                              Sat Dec 6, 2008 8:20am EST
                              By Samuel Shen

                              SHANGHAI, Dec 6 (Reuters) - China Investment Corp (CIC), the country's $200 billion sovereign wealth fund, is unwilling to bail out troubled Western financial firms because of unfair restrictions on its investment, a deputy general manager of the fund said on Saturday.

                              "On the one hand, the U.S. needs us; on the other hand, they're suspicious toward us. They want us to invest at their will. That's not sincere cooperation," Wang Jianxi told a financial conference in Shanghai."

                              "That's why sovereign funds now have little willingness to take an active role in easing the financial crisis."

                              Wang said the U.S. government had imposed tight restrictions on CIC's investment because it feared the fund was controlled by China's ruling Communist Party, and thus could threaten U.S. national security.

                              "Some ask us why we don't buy oil and mining resources in the U.S. That's exactly the kind of investment banned by the U.S. government," Wang said.

                              His comments were one of the strongest official warnings yet that China does not intend to help rescue the West's financial industry. CIC chairman Lou Jiwei said earlier in the week that the fund was "not brave enough" to invest in foreign financial firms, and lacked confidence in U.S. financial regulation.

                              Wang said uncertainty over legal protections for investors in the West could make investing there unattractive.
                              beggars cant be choosers,if you want to be bailed out,you should lift those restrictions.

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