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    What no one is addressing is the jihad that is going on not only in Europe, but in most Western countries including the USA. In islam there are two realms - the realm of islam (muslim countries under sharia law) and the realm of war (our infidel countries) and their stated goal is to spread sharia law worldwide - however long it takes. They don't necessarily want to convert us, or kill us but they do want us to accept subjugation (these are the only types of peace muslims recognize - death, conversion or subjugation).

    They will take us down without an all out war because they know they don't have a chance of winning.

    Before I really get into this, here is a list of books/websites for reference:

    'A Never Ending War',
    'Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs' and
    'They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It'

    Stealth jihad in Britain

    The Stealth jihad of the MSA (muslim student association) in our colleges, and other organizations

    What we are fighting is a war, a jihad. By us not defining our enemy, and naming a war after only one tactic that is used in islam we are allowing them to infiltrate our organizations, get elected into political offices, allowing them to change our children's school books (history) to change islamic history and portray it not as it really was - bloodbaths/slaughter of non-muslims, etc.

    Once again the civilians are being attacked. Not with bombs but with stealth - slithering in like a snake.

    The communists did this starting in the FDR administration, and onwards. They infiltrated our media, Universities, schools, institutions, political offices - and we are finding that we are swinging left - FAR left. This took - how long? 30-50 years? Now, if we let the same thing happen with islam - how long will that take for them to attain their goals? 30-50 years? Ok, now think of this - they are well established institution in our Universities and have been for almost 10-20 years now.

    MSA at UCIrvine

    The MSA and the Jihad network

    The Project - a video- the muslim brotherhood's stated goals using the MSA and other organizations in the West that were found in Europe.

    How the muslim brotherhood is to use the MSA to achieve their goals

    the English version of 'The Project'

  • #2
    How do you explain Turkey, our ally? The ANA who is doing most of the dying on our side in Afghanistan? Or that American Muslims are rallying to the call of arms and are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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    • #3
      We already have jihads against Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc going on throughout the world that are bloody. They are in Africa, the Israeli-Arab conflict, China, Russia, the Balkans, India/Pakistan/Kashmir, Southast Asia. One Southeast nation I will mention here is the Philippines with their muslims now demanding land from the Philippine government - sound familiar? eg: Pakistan, Israel, the Balkans, etc. We dance around this - they demand us to be tolerant but they are unable to do so when they migrate to other's lands. The increase in muslim populations in lands also has a direct increase in the violence against non-muslims.

      Geert Wilders brings this up in his speech to his Parliament with the growth of muslims in Europe and the UK, they have seen an increase in their crimes against non-muslims too. In fact, it is skyrocketing.

      (some books: When Europe Slept, and Menace in Europe)

      Geert's speech to his Parliament

      % of muslims and % of violence directed against non-muslims

      What the West needs to know

      This website is one of 10 - you can view the others by selecting them once you get into youtube.

      What the West needs to know about islam, part 1

      Don't kid yourself about the difference between 'moderate' islam and 'radical' islam. islam is islam and why no muslim disavows, or does anything to jihadists that we call 'radical terrorosts' is because they are considered muslims and if they die while killing non-muslims they are considered martyrs.

      Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: “A moderate

      Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is

      Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“
      [(Oriana Fallaci”The Force of Reason” post-script page 305 February 2006)]

      And I will end this by this:

      a quote: "Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world.... If non-Muslims

      submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to

      wage war against them." World peace, according to Islamic teaching, "is reached only with the conversion or

      submission of all mankind to Islam."
      or
      Centrality of jihad in islam

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
        How do you explain Turkey, our ally? The ANA who is doing most of the dying on our side in Afghanistan? Or that American Muslims are rallying to the call of arms and are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan?
        Not all muslims are buying into the jihad. Many are. What we are finding in Iraq is that our troops are doing a great job of reaching out to the regular guy on the street. And most are sick and tired of the violence that they have had for decades - some not knowing peace until we got rid of Hussein.

        There is even a group - granted, a very silent group - that are against sharia law. They know what it is all about, but there are a lot that will deny what sharia law is - and those are the ones that I do not trust. When I hear muslims denying honor killings (sharia laws do nothing to stop the perps), that subjugation (dhimmitude) is terrible and that to this day those people live in fear and we see in Iraq that the Christians are now being persecuted and having to flee for their lives, and other atrocities are permitted in sharia law then that 'moderate' is questionable - to me.

        Our government have found that muslim charities are not what they are what we think they are. Muslim charities are basically what we call 'moderate' muslims way to finance jihaidsts! That is what mohammed told muslims who did not want to wage violence, but still wanted to do jihad to do - to support the jihadists, old jihadists and jihadist's families. And that is why our government has shut down many of them. They pop up all the time and I am sure there is now just an underground of money being transferred.

        Here is a good video on a truly peaceful muslim who is against sharia. Notice that he is now called a pig (which is what infidels are considered) and note what other so called 'moderates' call him! The Third Jihad

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        • #5
          As for Turkey - well, they wouldn't let us use them when we went into Afghanistan which was well before we went into the controversial Iraq.

          And Turkey has been governed by a more secular mode of government, which is changing.

          Don't kid yourself. Don't go to Turkey alone, especially if you are a woman.

          It seems that sharia law is winning out when it comes to killing Christians


          Article about the exaggeration of a secularist Turkey and it should stay out of the EU!

          they are our 'friends' like saudi arabia and pakistan are our friends, it seems.

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          • #6
            R not,

            the problem with your approach is that it boils down a thousand ethnic, sectarian, nationalist, tribal conflicts into one great encompassing jihad. that's exactly how bin ladin would LIKE to do, but is finding absolutely no success in the real world.

            so, why are you trumpeting bin ladin's propaganda for him?

            you say you are studying the middle east and islam, well, you better do a better job of showing it.
            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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            • #7
              I can't say I've looked through all your sources through and through, but it seems like a lot of these are edging towards the side of "paranoia" and resemble McCarthyism. But again, can't say for certain.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by astralis View Post
                R not,

                the problem with your approach is that it boils down a thousand ethnic, sectarian, nationalist, tribal conflicts into one great encompassing jihad. that's exactly how bin ladin would LIKE to do, but is finding absolutely no success in the real world.

                so, why are you trumpeting bin ladin's propaganda for him?

                you say you are studying the middle east and islam, well, you better do a better job of showing it.

                So, sticking our heads in the sand about what islam teaches and what different groups other than just Al Qaeda's goals are would serve us better?

                I think it was Brigette Gabriel that said something to this order - sticking your head in the sand only makes a big, fat target.

                Do you need me to 'trumpet' his propaganda? Are you that uninformed as to what his wishes are?

                If you know islam you will know jihad and that the most holy of jihads is the violent kind with the lowest of jihad being the 'inner struggle'.

                By sticking our heads in the sand about what their goals are - is what the Europeans are doing and look what they are facing! They have skyrocketing crimes of muslim on non-muslim and they don't even send in their police to many of the muslim areas. We see that the UK is allowing sharia laws into their system - the laws that have associated with them the worst human rights abuses. And the Brits are all about 'sticking their heads in the sand and hushing up about their problems.

                Or is it that you think that by not discussing it that it will go away? Sorry, but some of the biggest targets are civilians - as we saw time and again in the 1990s, and even though we have been stopping quite a number of the attacks - we keep hearing that it only takes one to get through. And S. America is facing an increase in al qaeda cells too. They don't have the web to spread information about islam around and that is just dandy for muslims since that is how they became muslim majorities in so many areas. Lack of knowledge.

                Sorry, but I disagree with you. Just sit back and let the muslims keep telling your children that islam is peaceful and benign - to non-muslims - or have them be converted because that is one of their achievements too. Outright conversion of the young - sort of like the Johnny Walker Linds of the USA. of course, they sort of forget to tell the kids that if they don't convert then they will be subjugated and they are banning the truth about what those people face.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ace16807 View Post
                  I can't say I've looked through all your sources through and through, but it seems like a lot of these are edging towards the side of "paranoia" and resemble McCarthyism. But again, can't say for certain.

                  Well, McCarthy turned out to be correct in his assertions after the USSR documents were opened up in the middle 1990s. So... what else do you have?

                  Unfortunately, history has not been taught for quite some time. And we are not even supposed to talk about much of the muslim slaughter in the 20th century, eg: Christian Armenians. Or who do you think are slaughtering the Christian Africans?

                  You call ex-muslims such as Walid Shoebat, Ali Sina and Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders and others such as Brigette Gabriel who lived in a bomb shelter for about 10 years in Lebanon due to muslim violence in her land (www.actforamerica.org) all paranoid because they are trying to warn us.

                  Before you call me names, maybe read some of the resources I have provided - by many different peoples who have come from many different places. Walid Shoebat is a Palestinian, Hirsi Ali is an African, Ali Sina is an Iranian - all ex-muslims trying to tell us of the infiltration.

                  maybe you should look further into McCarthyism and wonder why the schools - who lean left - have never corrected history in their textbooks! It would be counterproductive to say the very least and if you tell a lie often enough - it has become the truth for so many.

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                  • #10
                    Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: “A moderate

                    Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is

                    Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“
                    There's the Sunna, the Hadith. There's Shi'ites and Sunnis, and within the Sunni branch the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali schools of thought. The are various syncretic practices in places such as Indonesia and Pakistan.

                    You conflate what is actually a rather diverse religion into a single, monolithic "other".

                    You've already violated my forum rules, as well as social norms here, in just a few posts. Perhaps you should get a better feel for the site rather than launching into pointless diatribes.

                    Religious discussion is frowned down upon here.
                    "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                      There's the Sunna, the Hadith. There's Shi'ites and Sunnis, and within the Sunni branch the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali schools of thought. The are various syncretic practices in places such as Indonesia and Pakistan.

                      You conflate what is actually a rather diverse religion into a single, monolithic "other".

                      You've already violated my forum rules, as well as social norms here, in just a few posts. Perhaps you should get a better feel for the site rather than launching into pointless diatribes.

                      Religious discussion is frowned down upon here.

                      No problem - I will leave. You can go back to the sand. Please take my id and delete it.

                      Do yourself a favor though - and read. You might find that islam has more in common with a political movement than a religion. In fact, it is more than just a political movement - its laws encompass how one goes to the potty. Its laws are all invasive.

                      So, you can delete me.

                      Oh, maybe reading the 'Art of War' might help - here is a website that puts it in a condensed form. It isn't what is in your head - it is what is in their heads. They are the ones who have stated time and again that they are in a war against us. We find documents that openly state it and tell us of organizations that they push their agenda. The saudi wahabbists are also funding them, along with over 1,000 mosques and madrassas in our country alone (actually it could be more since that number was from a couple of years ago), and even more worldwide.

                      The muslim brotherhood, MSA, CAIR, hamas, hezbollah, Al Qaeda, even Saddam Hussein, Arafat, and a wealth of others are all on the same page - jihad. Deception is sanctioned in the koran and hadiths and that is a part of war in dar al harb.

                      Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269:
                      Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
                      The Prophet said, "War is deceit."

                      goodbye

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by R_not View Post
                        Do you need me to 'trumpet' his propaganda? Are you that uninformed as to what his wishes are?
                        You are trumpeting his propaganda o' brother of bin Laden. You might as well chant Allah Akbar as you're typing. Good work! OBL is proud of you.
                        "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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                        • #13
                          Elsheba Khan at the grave of her son, Specialist Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan.

                          "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by R_not View Post
                            No problem - I will leave. You can go back to the sand. Please take my id and delete it.

                            Do yourself a favor though - and read. You might find that islam has more in common with a political movement than a religion. In fact, it is more than just a political movement - its laws encompass how one goes to the potty. Its laws are all invasive.

                            So, you can delete me.

                            Oh, maybe reading the 'Art of War' might help - here is a website that puts it in a condensed form. It isn't what is in your head - it is what is in their heads. They are the ones who have stated time and again that they are in a war against us. We find documents that openly state it and tell us of organizations that they push their agenda. The saudi wahabbists are also funding them, along with over 1,000 mosques and madrassas in our country alone (actually it could be more since that number was from a couple of years ago), and even more worldwide.

                            The muslim brotherhood, MSA, CAIR, hamas, hezbollah, Al Qaeda, even Saddam Hussein, Arafat, and a wealth of others are all on the same page - jihad. Deception is sanctioned in the koran and hadiths and that is a part of war in dar al harb.

                            Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269:
                            Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
                            The Prophet said, "War is deceit."

                            goodbye
                            Wow, are you taking your ball home with you :))
                            "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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                            • #15
                              For anyone else who wants to lump all Muslims together as some monolithic block, I'd ask you to explain the following to me.

                              http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120101923.html

                              If you wish to explain it away by saying that Moez Masoud isn't a true Muslim, I'd invite you to explain how that statement differs from what OBL would say. Thanks.
                              "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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