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    China aims for military might

    China is rapidly developing a highly modern military that will be the equal of Western armies with the ability to operate anywhere in the world.


    By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
    Last Updated: 3:08AM BST 29 Sep 2008

    China is rapidly developing a highly modern military
    China isdeveloping a modern military, second only to America REUTERS

    Senior defence analysts said that within the next decade the country will have an army that will be second only to America's military might which could "embolden" it to military action.

    The rapid growth of China's navy is matched by its desire to expand into the Indian Ocean and South China Sea to feed resources into its voracious economy.

    The analysts, from Jane's Information Group, believe that the Chinese Communist Party can only continue to rule the country if it maintains economic growth at more than 10 per cent. It is already investing heavily in Africa for food and natural resources but this could lead to conflict with India with the trade route that crosses the Indian Ocean.

    Within the next year the first navy pilots will begin training for aircraft carrier operations that are expected to be operational early in the next decade.

    A London conference attended by defence business leaders was told that new air-to-air refuelling planes are being delivered that will double the range of the Chinese air force's increasingly modernised fighters.

    The army has been substantially slimmed down into a leaner fighting force with new tanks and armoured vehicles coming off the production line.

    "China is developing a modern highly manoeuvrable force able to operate anywhere as good if not better than Western armies," said Christopher Foss, editor of Jane's Armour and Artillery.

    In the last 10 years China had made "dramatic progress, make no doubt about that," he warned.

    But it is China's growing naval might that poses the greatest threat. By 2015 it is expected to have six Jin-class submarines capable of firing the JL2 ballistic nuclear missile that could threaten both the western and eastern American seaboards acting as deterrent to any US intervention if Taiwan or other areas erupted in conflict.

    China's nuclear attack submarine force is expanding "quite considerably" with six T93 hunter killers and more than a dozen Kilo class boats.

    Fast attack craft, each carrying eight anti-ship missiles, are to increase from 40 to 100 giving the navy "a considerable capability", the conference heard.

    Christian Le Miere, editor of Jane's Intelligence Review, said China would fear America less if it had the threat of nuclear weapons off US waters with a "very capable military to back up diplomatic moves".

    "People will keep an eye on China but there is no reason to think that conflict is inevitable," he said.

    He added that the "greatest threat of violence" would come when China's military was fully revamped by 2020 and when it was "emboldened by military growth".

    While there has been a "step change in capabilities" the Chinese navy is a considerable distance from US Navy which spends ten time China's budget building twice the number of vessels.

    China, with an estimated defence budget of £35 billion, is currently on one of three countries developing a "fifth generation" advanced fighter called the J-XX that could be on a par with American planes although the project is highly secret.

    Increasingly technology from European countries is being seen in Chinese equipment, the conference heard.

    A major programme is in place to build 6,000 armoured vehicles at a cost of £7 billion that will include a "very advanced armoured package" of T99 tanks and the eight-wheeled VN1 armed with a 100mm gun, 30mm canon and 7.62mm machine gun.

    As one of the "most significant vehicles" on the battlefield for the People's Liberation Army the 2,500 VN1 will be air transportable.

    In recent years China has spent considerable sums on improving capability, new landing craft and special harbours. There had been a major build up of assault ships including 30 large tank landing craft that would allow long range operations.
    China aims for military might - Telegraph

    maybe we will see a big military budget jump in the coming year
    Last edited by haidian; 01 Oct 08,, 05:02.

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    """China's nuclear attack submarine force is expanding "quite considerably" with six T93 hunter killers and more than a dozen Kilo class boats"""


    The Kilo class is nuclear submarine????????!!!!!!!!!

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    • #3
      A major programme is in place to build 6,000 armoured vehicles at a cost of £7 billion that will include a "very advanced armoured package" of T99 tanks
      Type 99 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      last summer i went to chinese military museum and those photos are some exhibits there.




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        more




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        • #5
          thankfully those tanks are of no use against the Indians,,,and they will probably never reach taiwan as the US fleet will take care of them while they're on the ships

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          • #6
            "But it is China's growing naval might that poses the greatest threat. By 2015 it is expected to have six Jin-class submarines capable of firing the JL2 ballistic nuclear missile that could threaten both the western and eastern American seaboards acting as deterrent to any US intervention if Taiwan or other areas erupted in conflict."


            Does this mean that the PRC will be ready, willing, and able to take on the USA in an all-out nuclear war?

            What do you think America will do about that?


            John.

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            • #7
              what a bunch of claptrap.
              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ozjohn39 View Post
                "But it is China's growing naval might that poses the greatest threat. By 2015 it is expected to have six Jin-class submarines capable of firing the JL2 ballistic nuclear missile that could threaten both the western and eastern American seaboards acting as deterrent to any US intervention if Taiwan or other areas erupted in conflict."


                Does this mean that the PRC will be ready, willing, and able to take on the USA in an all-out nuclear war?

                What do you think America will do about that?


                John.
                For a nuke attack to be provoked..the situation has to be "Very tense" and obviously all US Missile-defence units and naval fleet in Asia is going to be on high alert at that time

                I highly doubt that any country in the world has currently the capability to sneak within range of mainland america and fire missiles without being tracked by US subs

                The moment the american radars capture a projectile hurtling towards them from china..china will be nuked to cinders..and a good chance of the chinese missile being shot down before it does any damage..

                Although the CCP indulges in occasional sabre rattling..i still believe they're not completely stupid to do something like that..
                If China really wants to settle the taiwan issue..they should settle it when the US is looking elsewhere(eg.bogged down in iran, looking towards a hostile moscow or something)..and turn the whole situation into a conventional stalemate to be worth risking..

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                • #9
                  haidian,


                  I really hate to tell you this, but China is not with a bull's roar of even being able to take Taiwan, as of now.

                  China is perfectly capable of DEFENDING herself against conventional attack, but that is all. She may be able to give some of her neighbours a fright, but that is about it.


                  John.

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                  • #10
                    So why do we have multiple China vs. Taiwan discussions running... Anyhows.

                    So the PRC is going to spend more money on their military... What a surprise. Let's neglect the domestic issues more why don't we...

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                    • #11
                      On a side note, the 7th picture down. Aren't SPAAs similar to that considered outdated? I know that specific model is still in service, but how effective are these gun based SPAAs in reality?

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                      • #12
                        but China is not with a bull's roar of even being able to take Taiwan, as of now.
                        i believe the same,china doesnt like to pick fight,the priority for pla now is to maintain stability and create a relatively peaceful enviornment for the country's economic developemnt.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ace16807 View Post
                          On a side note, the 7th picture down. Aren't SPAAs similar to that considered outdated? I know that specific model is still in service, but how effective are these gun based SPAAs in reality?
                          They still can be pretty useful if any enemy CAS planes or copters drop by. The Russians found out in Grozny that they're nice direct fire infantry support weapons in the bargain.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Skywatcher View Post
                            They still can be pretty useful if any enemy CAS planes or copters drop by. The Russians found out in Grozny that they're nice direct fire infantry support weapons in the bargain.
                            I think the US learned that in Vietnam with dusters?

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                            • #15
                              Those babies have 4 25mm cannons as well as 4 short range missiles. The package is radar guided. I wouldnt be writing it off so quickly. You wouldnt be flying a plane under 6000 feet if there was a Russian Tunguska laying in wait?
                              The best part of repentance is the sin

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