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haidian
17 Sep 08,, 16:09
London Admits It Can't Top Lavish Beijing Olympics When It Hosts 2012 Games
Facing an economic downturn, British officials are trying to keep costs down
By Thomas K. Grose
Posted August 22, 2008

LONDON—How can London, host of the 2012 Olympic Games, possibly compete with China? How can it top the eye-popping pyrotechnics, the cast of thousands, and the architectural gem of a stadium that were part and parcel of the successful Beijing 2008 Olympics?
"The International Olympic Committee themselves recognize that [Beijing] is the last edition of a games which is going to look and feel like this," says Sebastian Coe, head of the London Olympics organizing committee. The London games, Coe adds, won't attempt to equal the "scale and stature" of the extravaganza in Beijing.
London Admits It Can't Top Lavish Beijing Olympics When It Hosts 2012 Games - US News and World Report (http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/08/22/london-admits-it-cant-top-lavish-beijing-olympics-when-it-hosts-2012-games.html)

Tarek Morgen
17 Sep 08,, 16:14
Neither could the 1948 Summer Olympics in London top the ones from 36...but..which would you rather want to attend?

haidian
17 Sep 08,, 16:53
"I have attended many Olympic Games since Helsinki 1952, Finland and the ones of Beijing 2008 have been the best I have ever seen," Samaranch said as quoted by Mexican daily El Sol de Mexico on Monday.

Successful Olympic Games need three things: good organization and facilities, a good local sports delegation, and people's enthusiasm, and China fulfilled all of them, Samaranch said.

China achieved "good organization and facilities and it has presented to the world the best stadium and swimming pool of the world," Samaranch said.

Samaranch did a great contribution to the olympics,and he has been made honorary life president of the IOC

haidian
17 Sep 08,, 16:57
SYDNEY olympic games is also amazingly good,very impressive,personally i like that one better.

Officer of Engineers
17 Sep 08,, 18:06
Translation: We're not going broke over this.

xerxes
17 Sep 08,, 18:18
London does not need to top anyone. It is one of the world's major financial and commercial hub and very well stablished.

TopHatter
17 Sep 08,, 18:18
How can London, host of the 2012 Olympic Games, possibly compete with China?Strict media censorship is always a good place to start.

How can it top the eye-popping pyrotechnics? The same way that China produced them in the first place: CGI

the cast of thousands?First, start with a country of over a billion people that work for very low wages.

and the architectural gem of a stadium? Nothing that lavish sums of money and low-wage workers can't solve.


Besides, unlike China, what exactly does Great Britain have to prove to the rest of the world?

Shipwreck
17 Sep 08,, 18:36
Samaranch did a great contribution to the olympics,and he has been made honorary life president of the IOC

From Wiki : :biggrin:


It became a tradition for Samaranch, when giving the President's address at the close of each Summer Olympics, to praise the organisers at each Olympiad for putting on "the best ever" Games.

For instance, after Sydney 2000 :


"I am proud and happy to proclaim that you have presented to the world the best Olympic Games ever," Samaranch said, and the stadium shook with cheers. He has applied that moniker to games in the past; a notable aberration was Atlanta, which he called simply "most exceptional."

Summer Olympics 2000 Samaranch calls these Olympics 'best ever' (http://espn.go.com/oly/summer00/news/2000/1001/794339.html)

Shipwreck
17 Sep 08,, 18:37
How can London, host of the 2012 Olympic Games, possibly compete with China?Strict media censorship is always a good place to start.

Ouch !!! :biggrin:


How can it top the eye-popping pyrotechnics? The same way that China produced them in the first place: CGI

Re-Ouch !!! :biggrin:

Tarek Morgen
17 Sep 08,, 18:39
oh and no baby will die because news and warnings about contaminated food are surpressed to keep up the facade.

snapper
17 Sep 08,, 19:01
Was a bad day for the UK when we got the Olympics in my opinion. You can predict that a. it will all end up over budget b. it'll be late and c. it'll do nothing for the local people. We'd have been better off using the money for research into re-usable energy.

Albany Rifles
17 Sep 08,, 19:07
I'll guarantee one thing....it will have MUCH better beer than Beijing!

Ray
17 Sep 08,, 19:13
Actually, the UK does not have to have a "Please Accept me" party having been an Imperial Power ruling the waves.

China had to prove a point and they have done it rather well.

The UK has nothing to prove.

History speaks for them! ;) :))

Further, being a democracy, they are answerable to the people.

China did not have to answer anyone since the people are not worth consideration as per the CCP! Or so it appears!

I believe as per BBC and CNN, the China milk scandal was known before the Olympics and it kept it under the wraps and would have still done so, but for the NZ company that own 43% share in Sunlu, the company that sold these dangerous product!

Says a lot, what ho, old bean Haiden?

bengalraider
17 Sep 08,, 19:15
London Admits It Can't Top Lavish Beijing Olympics When It Hosts 2012 Games - US News and World Report (http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/08/22/london-admits-it-cant-top-lavish-beijing-olympics-when-it-hosts-2012-games.html)

reason- london cannot bulldoze it's historical and old areas to build a swanky stadium, london cannot make some of it's oldest residents homeless by forcibly capturing land in the name of the olympics, london cannot call in worforce of bare minimum wage workers that number in the millions and then discard them like old clothes when the venues are ready,last and most important
the organisers of london 2012 shall have to be be far more accountable regarding olympic spending to their constituents than any leader of the CCP shall ever be.

Ray
17 Sep 08,, 19:22
reason- london cannot bulldoze it's historical and old areas to build a swanky stadium, london cannot make some of it's oldest residents homeless by forcibly capturing land in the name of the olympics, london cannot call in worforce of bare minimum wage workers that number in the millions and then discard them like old clothes when the venues are ready,last and most important
the organisers of london 2012 shall have to be be far more accountable regarding olympic spending to their constituents than any leader of the CCP shall ever be.



China could since who cares what the common man desires in China.

Big Brother knows all!

gunnut
17 Sep 08,, 19:35
What's the point of getting into an e-peen contest?

In my opinion, China over-did the Olympics. It lost that human touch. It showed a lot of structures, stadiums, roads, venues...blah blah blah. But how about the people? The culture? This history? The tradition? Show the world about China. Not show the world about Chinese brick and mortar.

xerxes
17 Sep 08,, 19:39
Gunnut,

That is the point, isn't.

Soviet style has always been that of big impressive structures surrounded with small insignificant people, ... illustrating the Unity and Importance of a nation/party above all other things.

Tianaman square itself shows this quite well.

Ray
17 Sep 08,, 19:51
One can't blame the USSR or China.

Communism loves statistics and showpieces to show the world that they have arrived and that they can do things better than others.

Even the Pharaohs with their slave labour moved huge stones and built the pyramids and how many perished at that!

Pyramids are today a wonder of the world!

Birds nest will also be one provided the birds agree!

Nonetheless, it was a great Olympics!

s002wjhj
17 Sep 08,, 20:30
the olympic was show piece for china, not just the government but also to the chinese. ask any chinese if they support the olympic, and the answer will be YES.

the $40 billion + spend is not only on the brid nest etc, but also a necessary renovation of other things such as subway, airport, road, landscape etc. these things are despair needed for the city due to population, transportation etc.

alot old stuff is gone, but alot KEY historical stuff still exist, forbidden city etc.

name one modern city that didn't abolish some of the old building in order to make new.

TopHatter
17 Sep 08,, 23:21
Soviet style has always been that of big impressive structures surrounded with small insignificant people, ... illustrating the Unity and Importance of a nation/party above all other things.

Communism loves statistics and showpieces to show the world that they have arrived and that they can do things better than others.You guys can say that again!

Even if their statistics and showpieces are nothing but a farce.

"Potemkim Village" anyone?



Nonetheless, it was a great Olympics!

Can't deny that to the CCP. They pulled off one hell of a good show without a major disaster to mar the proceedings.

Like the mass-murder of helpless unarmed protestors, using armored fighting vehicles for example.

Oh wait, they managed to avoid that one by not allowing protestors to begin with! :eek:

Ah-HA! So the CCP DID learn something from 1989 after all! :))



reason
-london cannot bulldoze it's historical and old areas to build a swanky stadium

london cannot make some of it's oldest residents homeless by forcibly capturing land in the name of the olympics

london cannot call in worforce of bare minimum wage workers that number in the millions

then discard them like old clothes when the venues are ready,

last and most important
the organisers of london 2012 shall have to be be far more accountable regarding olympic spending to their constituents than any leader of the CCP shall ever be.
Ok you just TOTALLY outdid me with that one. :))

Nice job, very well done :)

dave lukins
17 Sep 08,, 23:35
I'll guarantee one thing....it will have MUCH better beer than Beijing!

Abshowlootly..If you want a besent deer come to Hingeland:cool:

dilawar
18 Sep 08,, 00:08
If London gets a 7 year old buck tooth girl to sing her beautiful song than a pretty face to lip synch her, i would think that has more soul than 50 Billion USD put up to just impress others.

Tarek Morgen
18 Sep 08,, 00:24
You guys can say that again!

Even if their statistics and showpieces are nothing but a farce.

"Potemkim Village" anyone?




I always hated that phrase because it does Potemkim real unjustice (and was most likley just a tale created by his enemies at the royal court), as he did really alot to (re)built the krim-area and also was quite succesful with it. A better one might be, if one has heart of the 'Thirty-Six Strategems':

"cover a dead thread with blossoms made out of paper"

Officer of Engineers
18 Sep 08,, 02:45
Like the mass-murder of helpless unarmed protestors, using armored fighting vehicles for example.

Oh wait, they managed to avoid that one by not allowing protestors to begin with! :eek:

Ah-HA! So the CCP DID learn something from 1989 after all! :))Invalid, Joe, the people who allowed this were the Tibettan protestors swarming the helpless girl in the wheelchair.

That united the Chinese more than anything the CCP could have done.

kuku
18 Sep 08,, 03:05
One can't blame the USSR or China.

Communism loves statistics and showpieces to show the world that they have arrived and that they can do things better than others.

Even the Pharaohs with their slave labour moved huge stones and built the pyramids and how many perished at that!

Pyramids are today a wonder of the world!

Birds nest will also be one provided the birds agree!

Nonetheless, it was a great Olympics!

Sir,

For some one who was 8 years old in 1990 i have to ask this.

Was it like this with soviet union?

What the Chinese did for the Beijing Olympics will make the city a fun place to live in, so many things to see.

Indeed it is easy in the modern world, hire a global designer, global construction consultants, give them the money and one can have what one desires, however it is in the money and the will to dedicate such time and effort that the objective of the Chinese leadership is reflected.

TopHatter
18 Sep 08,, 03:38
Invalid, Joe, the people who allowed this were the Tibettan protestors swarming the helpless girl in the wheelchair.

That united the Chinese more than anything the CCP could have done.

Sir, I'm a little confused about what you're referring to :confused:

My point was, during the Olympics, the CCP designated special areas for protestors (the outskirts of the city, near a garbage dump I'm sure, but whatever), however they never issued permits for actual use of those sites.

In other words, they neatly avoided repeating the minor scuffles in Tianamen Square 1989 by simply denying anybody the opportunity to so much as gather.

Tarek Morgen
18 Sep 08,, 03:51
while the olymüic torch was carried around the world and its tour besieged by protestors, some tried often to steal or put out the flame. One of this incident occured while a chinese woman in a wheelchair was carrying it.

This event produced some pictures, of her trying to block the protester and protecting the torch, which were used as a rallying call by the CCP against (foreign) protestors and was more effectiv then any photo op they could have staged.

shiphone
18 Sep 08,, 04:00
haha...have u c these? Mr Haidian...that's the reality. so just go back ur life and enjoy it(i'm sure u will). no more threads like this. there is no winner for ever. time will tell.

Ray
18 Sep 08,, 04:49
while the olymüic torch was carried around the world and its tour besieged by protestors, some tried often to steal or put out the flame. One of this incident occured while a chinese woman in a wheelchair was carrying it.

This event produced some pictures, of her trying to block the protester and protecting the torch, which were used as a rallying call by the CCP against (foreign) protestors and was more effectiv then any photo op they could have staged.

Top Hatter was referring to the special areas earmarked for protesters to come and protest if they wanted.

The wheelchair girl issue took some of the steam out of the protest.

Yusuf
18 Sep 08,, 07:41
Why should someone spend billions just to show off?
What point has China proved apart from showing off its wealth? The world knew that anyway because of its high growth rate.

Ray
18 Sep 08,, 07:54
Why should someone spend billions just to show off?
What point has China proved apart from showing off its wealth? The world knew that anyway because of its high growth rate.

After years of being ostracised and treated as an international pariah, China sure had a reason to show that it has 'arrived'.

Since, in a Communist regime, the govt is not responsible to its citizens in explaining its actions, unlike a democracy, they used everything, be it money, clout, coercion, reducation camps, just to make a point. They did it and they did it marvellously well.

The Chinese people did not mind these excesses, which in a democracy would appear draconian. This is because, they are bequeathed by history to obey their govt without complaints, whichever that be through Legalism, Confucianism and so on and so forth.

This is a great boon to China wherein they are fiercely proud of their Nation and their Han culture and hence are immune to the niceties that one would expect in a democracy.

Therefore, spending millions even if it is at the expense of other pressing needs for the common man, does not affect the common Chinese.

They are proud of their Nation and their Han Culture and they have proved that they are uber alles and second to none!

That is their greatest satisfaction.

One has to see the Chinese posters here and see how they are 'showcasing' their achievement with excellent photos of marvels they have done and yet they fail to admit at what costs and what is happening elsewhere in the country!

We must learn from them!

It is we who are lazy to showcase and keep grousing about our infirmities!

JamesCash
18 Sep 08,, 10:36
The Dutch olympian comite is talking about hosting the olympics in 2028. I say it's rubbish, the taxpayer gets to spend alot of money on buildings that will be completely useless after the games.

haidian
18 Sep 08,, 11:38
huh,funny,we hosted a wonderful olympics and we won the most gold in a huge lead,that not only shows how china can host such big event but also the overall stregth of the nation.one fifth of the whole humanity.indians are again very active here to attack china,i will feel very ashamed if my country,with that huge popultion,only won one gold medal and that gold is the only individual gold in the country's olympic history.it is more like a joke than reality indeed.

hope you can host a very good olympics in the future,olympic games is a hot prize that many world class cities compete ferociously to get it everytime.you got to be tough to be awarded that.

haidian
18 Sep 08,, 11:39
people can collect a whole bunch of sour grapes here,ahuh

Shipwreck
18 Sep 08,, 19:12
ask any chinese if they support the olympic, and the answer will be YES.

Which merely shows that there is NO freedom of expression in the PRC... :rolleyes:

astralis
18 Sep 08,, 19:16
okay, thread closed.