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TopHatter
06 Feb 05,, 02:08
It's just a little .380, but I'm pretty fond it. Sleek, small, disappears nicely into the small of my back, and I don't even feel it when I'm sitting down :)
Also goes very well with Hydra-Shok ammo, for that extra loving touch.

Officer of Engineers
06 Feb 05,, 02:20
Whatever made you to go for a bellygun?

TopHatter
06 Feb 05,, 02:34
Whatever made you to go for a bellygun?

Well Colonel, as I say, it's my first firearm and all that (I've always been a late-bloomer :redface: ).
I didnt want to go with a larger caliber for a couple reasons.

1. Fits my hand like a glove, whereas larger calibers feel somewhat awkward, just a bit too large. I know, Practice Practice Practice.
2. It was incredibly inexpensive: $175 for the pistol, 2 mags, a nice combination-lock carry case and 4 boxes of ammo (1 of Hydra-Shok)
3. I wanted to make sure it was something I would like doing without spending a small fortune first.
4. The reviews I'd read of the Bersa .380 were very complimentary, with nary a bad word said about them as far as quality goes.

Good reasons? Bad reasons? Don't know, but I am happy with my little cap-gun.
Although, when I go to the range, I frequently also rent a Sterling 9mm subgun for a little full-auto mayhem....just to get the frustrations of my desk job out of my system.

Veni Vidi Vici
06 Feb 05,, 04:21
Congratulations :biggrin:

Its always good to exercise your 2end amendment right.

TopHatter
06 Feb 05,, 04:23
Congratulations :biggrin:

Its always good to exercise your 2end amendment right.

Thanks. I feel that our right to arm bears is the most important amendment in the Constitution. ;)

Next step is a CCP, but I'm kinda dragging my feet a little.

Bill
06 Feb 05,, 06:33
Bersa is a decent little piece.

Good luck with it.

Oh, and use Cor-bon hollowpoint ammunition. Hydra-Shok is OK, but the .380ACP cartridge really benefits from +P ammunition such as Cor-bon. Definitely the way to go.

Bluesman
06 Feb 05,, 11:33
Whoa. That's really something. My first handgun was a Bersa .380, too (Model 83). LOVED it. I'm terrible about doing 'the chores', so when I'd take it to the range, I'd run a box of 50 through it, zip it up in the case, and forget it until the NEXT time I'd go out.

Probably did that three or four times in a row, three or four different times. :redface: But it NEVER stuck on me, NOT ONCE.

Still, as any of the experts on here will tell you, this is NOT recommended. Do right by it, and it should do right by you.

TopHatter
06 Feb 05,, 14:10
Thanks Snipe and Bluesman.
That's the second time somebody has recommended Cor-bon :)

I don't mind cleaning it, though I do mind when I've been cleaning it and the parts seem to be producingall manner of fouling and crap, just to keep me cleaning and cleaning and cleaning... :rolleyes:

highsea
06 Feb 05,, 17:15
Bersa is a decent little pistol. I would make sure it was rated for +P's, though, they might be a little hot for an aluminum framed gun, at least as a regular diet. Another good option is the 85gr. silvertip, which is my carry round in my PPK-S, and a reliable feeder in the little blowback. Whatever your carry round, make sure to shoot a few hundred rounds of it to establish that it feeds reliably. I'd say a few hundred rounds of hardball first to break in the springs, feed ramp, mags, etc, then a couple hundred rounds of your carry load. If you can get through that without a malfunction, you probably have a winner.

The nice thing about .380's is that they are so easy to carry in the small of the back. Truth is, I usually don't even use a holster, just a belt carry with my PPK, and it doesn't jab the sh*t out of me when I sit down. It stays nice and snug as long as I don't get too physical, and it's convenient to grab when making a quick trip to the store or gas station, etc.

Those are the times when I would usually not bother putting on a full shoulder rig for my 9mm or .45, so the convenience of the little pistol means I still have at least something, even when I am too lazy to be properly armed. It's also nice for warm weather, when you have nothing to hide a shoulder rig, and a T-shirt doesn't really hide a full size pistol that easily. I always feel like kind of a slob going around with an untucked t-shirt trying to hide the .45 in my belt.

Of course the drawback is the wimpy round and the poor accuracy of a short barrel blowback action. But as long as you keep in mind that what you have is a remote control icepick, and not a service weapon, you're good to go.

TopHatter
06 Feb 05,, 17:39
All excellent points highsea, thanks for the advice :)

I certainly don't have any illusions about the capabilities of a small caliber bellygun.
I'm also not expecting any serious use of it (if at all), since I live in a low crime area (Fort Myers FL) and don't have a job that would call for a larger caliber (like say a repo man, eh Snipe?)
It's basically nice little plinking arm :redface:

Veni Vidi Vici
07 Feb 05,, 02:13
Thanks. I feel that our right to arm bears is the most important amendment in the Constitution. ;)



It sure is, b/c if we feel like any of our other rights are being infringed on or taken away we can grab our arms and rise up against opression.

TopHatter
07 Feb 05,, 05:02
It sure is, b/c if we feel like any of our other rights are being infringed on or taken away we can grab our arms and rise up against opression.

I hope and pray that it never comes to that...
If it should....then the whole world will have gone mad :frown:

1shot-1kill
07 Feb 05,, 06:51
My first hand gun was a similar walther ppk-s THE JAMES BOND GUN. .380 too

dalem
07 Feb 05,, 07:41
My first gun was my Ruger Blackhawk .357. Not too suitable for concealed carry :), although it does feel "right" in my cowboy holster rig.

Got my CCW permit when MN passed the law two summers ago, and I've been carrying a S&W Airweight .38 snubby ever since. Now that I'm used to carrying I'm going to trade up to a 9mm of some kind. I wish Steyr made a truly concealable version of my M9. I love that gun.

-dale

lemontree
07 Feb 05,, 08:10
.... 2end amendment right.
Oh you lucky people.(sigh)

Bill
07 Feb 05,, 20:27
"Bersa is a decent little pistol. I would make sure it was rated for +P's, though, they might be a little hot for an aluminum framed gun, at least as a regular diet."

Yeah, i shoulda mentioned that. NO +P on a regular basis. Just fire enough of them to make sure they function properly in the pistol.

Stick to cheaper std. power ammo for target practice.

Bill
07 Feb 05,, 20:30
"like say a repo man, eh Snipe?"

I have a 9mm and a 12 gauge semi-auto for close encounters of the repo kind, lol. ;)

sniperdude411
07 Feb 05,, 21:28
I'm only 14 and I have a 12-gauge mossberg 835, a really old 20-gauge break-action, a semiauto .22 for target practice and a bolt-action .22 for hunting (PA's big on ethics for hunting). I also sometimes use my dad's 270. Not to mention LOTS of ammo to waste (wait... I can't waste ammo; it always goes for a good cause). Sometimes I go oustide (to my 46 acre backyard) when I'm really bored and just tear-apart a peice of plywood w/ my 12 gauge. It's so fun shooting 6 shots in-succesion.

TopHatter
07 Feb 05,, 22:22
"Bersa is a decent little pistol. I would make sure it was rated for +P's, though, they might be a little hot for an aluminum framed gun, at least as a regular diet."

Yeah, i shoulda mentioned that. NO +P on a regular basis. Just fire enough of them to make sure they function properly in the pistol.

Stick to cheaper std. power ammo for target practice.

Yeah, the range I go to is in-door and "house ammo use only".
The nice thing is being able to rent just about any caliber, so you can see if you like it. I've rented a Glock 10mm and a Beretta 9mm, but I ALWAYS rent the Sterling when I go there. :biggrin:

TopHatter
07 Feb 05,, 22:23
I'm only 14 and I have a 12-gauge mossberg 835, a really old 20-gauge break-action, a semiauto .22 for target practice and a bolt-action .22 for hunting (PA's big on ethics for hunting). I also sometimes use my dad's 270. Not to mention LOTS of ammo to waste (wait... I can't waste ammo; it always goes for a good cause). Sometimes I go oustide (to my 46 acre backyard) when I'm really bored and just tear-apart a peice of plywood w/ my 12 gauge. It's so fun shooting 6 shots in-succesion.

Yeah, sometimes it's fun to just blast something apart...not very constructive, as far as improving your marksmanship goes...just plain guilty pleasure :)

sniperdude411
08 Feb 05,, 00:51
Yes, it's very fun to improve my markmanship. And When it's too cold or the conditions are too harsh to shoot (or really I'm too lazy to go outside bundled-up), I have a spring (but after cash crops are harvested this summer, I'm going electric and gas-powered) dpms Panther Arms m4 airsoft gun for indoor shooting.

Bill
08 Feb 05,, 01:42
Heh, reminds me of the time i blasted a Troy Aikman jersey with 7rds of 3" #4 buck with my Beretta 1201 semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun from a range of about, oh, 10 feet. :tongue:

sniperdude411
08 Feb 05,, 02:11
Hahahaha. Put-up person-sized 3-d poster-statue cardboard thingys of John Kerry and/or Micheal Moore. Then from about 10 ft. w/ #8 shot (lots of little holes) let the fun begin...

TopHatter
08 Feb 05,, 14:26
Hahahaha. Put-up person-sized 3-d poster-statue cardboard thingys of John Kerry and/or Micheal Moore. Then from about 10 ft. w/ #8 shot (lots of little holes) let the fun begin...

My cardboard cut-out of Michael Moore would be doused in gasoline and set ablaze... :)

sniperdude411
08 Feb 05,, 17:39
that'd be a perfect topic!

Take a squirt-gun filled with gas and hook-up a mini blow torch on the front. Yahoo!

Officer of Engineers
08 Feb 05,, 17:48
You need professional help!

Or career advice in the combat engineers.

TopHatter
08 Feb 05,, 17:52
You need professional help!

Or career advice in the combat engineers.

I dunno, he could come over to my place. On Friday nights, there seems to be a gigantic mushroom cloud of flame that shoots up over the roof of the house from the backyard...
Speaking of which, I need to get some more gasoline and combustible materials for this weeks fireball...I think the neighbors are throwing out another credenza...

Lunatock
08 Feb 05,, 19:55
that'd be a perfect topic!

Take a squirt-gun filled with gas and hook-up a mini blow torch on the front. Yahoo!

By squirtgun do you mean supersoaker? I've seen the tank on one of those implode and split open at the top after someone filled it with hot water...and you'd risk the heat from the mini blow torth melting the front, and possibly start gushing gasoline?

TopHatter
08 Feb 05,, 20:27
that'd be a perfect topic!

Take a squirt-gun filled with gas and hook-up a mini blow torch on the front. Yahoo!

Here's the last one, a rather large credenza...

sniperdude411
08 Feb 05,, 21:05
By squirtgun do you mean supersoaker? I've seen the tank on one of those implode and split open at the top after someone filled it with hot water...and you'd risk the heat from the mini blow torth melting the front, and possibly start gushing gasoline?

First of all (I don't mean to be irate), unburnt gas isn't hot, I would use either a splashzooka or a cps 1200, and to solve the melting problem i would cover the tip in foil and keep the blow torch about a foot away. I would also soot short bursts so the flame doesn't travel up the gun.

Veni Vidi Vici
08 Feb 05,, 21:13
that'd be a perfect topic!

Take a squirt-gun filled with gas and hook-up a mini blow torch on the front. Yahoo!

Your one of those wack jobs I get called out to yell at 3 in the morning because you like to play with fire. Not that I begruge you your fun but common... have some mercy :rolleyes: :tongue:

TopHatter
08 Feb 05,, 21:22
Your one of those wack jobs I get called out to yell at 3 in the morning because you like to play with fire. :rolleyes: :tongue:

Hey, what about me?
Geez...denied my rightful recognition again....

sniperdude411
09 Feb 05,, 00:34
Well, since almost all of my neihbors are amish (as in no phones), I don't think I'll get the cops called on me. And no, I don't play with fire at 3 in the morning. I love living in the middle of amish country. You can shoot guns and play with fire all you want.

What's really weird though, is that most (all of 'em in my area) amish are allowed to have batteries and generators, so once in a while, you'll see an amish dude outside fixing a fence with a Dewalt cordless drill.

dalem
09 Feb 05,, 03:16
Well, since almost all of my neihbors are amish (as in no phones), I don't think I'll get the cops called on me. And no, I don't play with fire at 3 in the morning. I love living in the middle of amish country. You can shoot guns and play with fire all you want.

What's really weird though, is that most (all of 'em in my area) amish are allowed to have batteries and generators, so once in a while, you'll see an amish dude outside fixing a fence with a Dewalt cordless drill.

But dude the mushroom smell is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad...

-dale

lemontree
09 Feb 05,, 05:15
I would use either a splashzooka or a cps 1200, and to solve the melting problem i would cover the tip in foil and keep the blow torch about a foot away. I would also soot short bursts so the flame doesn't travel up the gun.
There are 3 "I woulds" in your post, which means that you have'nt tried it practicaly, its just theory.
You'll find there can always be a slip between the cup and the lip.
If your are of age join the army, they'll give you a lot of stuff to burn and blow up,...and you get paid as well. ;)

1shot-1kill
10 Feb 05,, 02:49
Anyone gimme any info on the walther ppks any oppinions of it.

sniperdude411
10 Feb 05,, 03:39
1. I am only 14, but have been interesed in the military since I was 4.

2. You are correct in that I have not tried it yet.

3. ppk: small, cool-looking, but serves little funclionality.
I reccomend:
S&W SW40F
S&W Sigma
Sig p226/8/9 or Pro SP 2340
Walther gsp or p99/22
Beretta 92 or PX4 storm
Colt 1911 series
FN BDA or Forty-Nine
Glock (most numbers)

I just gave you a huge list of good guns to my opinion. Check others' opinions, too, since I have had little experience with pistols.

highsea
10 Feb 05,, 03:47
PPKS is a solid and well made little pistol, but like all blowback pistols, it's not as accurate as a tilting barrel lockup.

Mine is one of the Interarms imports, I bought it new about 13 years ago. At the time, Walther test fired all their guns at the factory and included the test target with the gun. I went through all of the guns in the store, and bought the one with the tightest test group, which was just under a 3" C2C for 3 shots at 15 yards, and about 2" high. This is as good as you will see in a blowback pistol with a 3 1/2" barrel.

It's a reliable feeder with hardball and silvertips. Fit and finish are excellent, by the way. Mine is stainless one, and still looks great today, though it lives in my brother's safe and I no longer carry it daily. Field stripping is quick and easy, with only 4 separate parts (magazine, slide, frame, recoil spring), and it takes about 3 seconds to take apart.

You can do a lot worse than a PPKS if you are looking for a nice .380.

Terran empire
10 Feb 05,, 04:09
I am thinking of buying a Walther p99 9mm my self

lemontree
10 Feb 05,, 06:52
1. I am only 14, but have been interesed in the military since I was 4.

2. You are correct in that I have not tried it yet.

That is good. Blowing up things is the last part of a soldier. You must also read military history, and biographies of successful generals.
If you intend becoming and officer, you must learn the evolution of warfare.
Lastly (but not the least), be careful when using guns and don't try funny things to make flame throwers at home, things can get ugly. Since you don't require it, don't make it.

Hawk_eye
10 Feb 05,, 08:46
I am thinking of buying a Walther p99 9mm my self

Hmm walther p99 is an awsome weapon with a good safety and quite a comfortable grip, i personally am a big fan of the 92fs series. It was first given to me as a gift but i would love to get my hand on a 93r with the wodden walnut grips and extended match compensator.

Hawk_eye
10 Feb 05,, 08:54
That is good. Blowing up things is the last part of a soldier. You must also read military history, and biographies of successful generals.
If you intend becoming and officer, you must learn the evolution of warfare.
Lastly (but not the least), be careful when using guns and don't try funny things to make flame throwers at home, things can get ugly. Since you don't require it, don't make it.

Well Said!

sniperdude411
10 Feb 05,, 21:30
If I were to get a great gun, I would probably get a walther gsp (extremely expensive, but extremely accurate) in .32 S&W Long, with a custom-made grip. You can get a cut-out picture here:
http://snowman.ascuk.net/3d.jpg
Or just a picture here:
http://www.carlwalther.com/images/gsp_bm_2.jpg

Hawk_eye
11 Feb 05,, 02:13
If I were to get a great gun, I would probably get a walther gsp (extremely expensive, but extremely accurate) in .32 S&W Long, with a custom-made grip. You can get a cut-out picture here:
http://snowman.ascuk.net/3d.jpg
Or just a picture here:
http://www.carlwalther.com/images/gsp_bm_2.jpg

Delicious, its a match pistol right? Whats the magazine capacity on this beauty?

Lunatock
11 Feb 05,, 19:02
I'm only 14 and I have a 12-gauge mossberg 835, a really old 20-gauge break-action, a semiauto .22 for target practice and a bolt-action .22 for hunting (PA's big on ethics for hunting). I also sometimes use my dad's 270. Not to mention LOTS of ammo to waste (wait... I can't waste ammo; it always goes for a good cause). Sometimes I go oustide (to my 46 acre backyard) when I'm really bored and just tear-apart a peice of plywood w/ my 12 gauge. It's so fun shooting 6 shots in-succesion.

Take it your not living in Lancaster itself if you have that 46 acre backyard and you can shoot guns whenever you feel like it? Sounds more like one of the backwoods houses somewhere inbetween Quarryville and Lancaster.

Lunatock
11 Feb 05,, 19:10
That is good. Blowing up things is the last part of a soldier. You must also read military history, and biographies of successful generals.
If you intend becoming and officer, you must learn the evolution of warfare.
Lastly (but not the least), be careful when using guns and don't try funny things to make flame throwers at home, things can get ugly. Since you don't require it, don't make it.

Might sound fun in theory, and I've done my share of giving a policeman something to occupy himself with. And tbh the flamethrower idea sounded like the stuff darwin awards are made of.

sniperdude411
12 Feb 05,, 00:30
Might sound fun in theory, and I've done my share of giving a policeman something to occupy himself with. And tbh the flamethrower idea sounded like the stuff darwin awards are made of.

Great books. Got all three of them. First one's the best.

Hawk_eye
12 Feb 05,, 01:21
Excuse me Sniperdude but is that a custom armalite i see in your sig?

Terran empire
12 Feb 05,, 04:09
Excuse me Sniperdude but is that a custom armalite i see in your sig?
Negative His avatar is a XM8

Hawk_eye
12 Feb 05,, 04:20
Negative His avatar is a XM8
I am afraid you seem to have been confused i was reffering to his sig "Signature" as bellow:

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/cheytac-1.jpg

Why i asked is obvious, the frame is frightfully similar to the AR-10 and the rail adapter looks like an SPR. Some of the additional mod's look very intresting, the barrel being one of them.

sniperdude411
12 Feb 05,, 05:18
It's actually a CheyTac m200 Intervention LRRS in .408. The bullet at 700 yards has more kenetic energy than a .50 BMG. It also costs $10,995 (with scope, case, and ballistics computer).
http://www.world.guns.ru/sniper/sn63-e.htm

Hawk_eye
12 Feb 05,, 05:26
It's actually a CheyTac m200 Intervention LRRS in .408. The bullet at 700 yards has more kenetic energy than a .50 BMG. It also costs $10,995 (with scope, case, and ballistics computer).
http://www.world.guns.ru/sniper/sn63-e.htm

Thankyou for the Info and the link, amazing bit of kit! ;)

jame$thegreat
12 Feb 05,, 20:01
I do enjoy a nice sub if i get my hands on one, but the best gun i have ever shot in my life would probably be the .50 desert eagle.

TopHatter
12 Feb 05,, 20:59
I do enjoy a nice sub if i get my hands on one, but the best gun i have ever shot in my life would probably be the .50 desert eagle.

Would dearly love to have a go at the .50 Desert Eagle...Ah well.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the range I go to rents a 9mm Sterling. Lovely fun :redface:

1shot-1kill
14 Feb 05,, 18:26
I also have a interarms import with the test target and all the factory magazines better then the aftermerket ones i bought either way i have found it to be very accurate. never had a problem with it.

Tinkertoys
06 Mar 05,, 07:11
Should have bought a Sig SAUER.

-Tink

TopHatter
06 Mar 05,, 07:13
Should have bought a Sig SAUER.

-Tink

A buddy of mine has a Sig 9mm with very nice grips that I was quite taken with :)
What part of Chicago are you from?

Tinkertoys
06 Mar 05,, 07:46
A buddy of mine has a Sig 9mm with very nice grips that I was quite taken with :)
What part of Chicago are you from?


I'm originally from Evanston.
But thats all I'll say.
-Tink

Bill
06 Mar 05,, 12:03
"Thankyou for the Info and the link, amazing bit of kit!"

The ChevyTac is supposedly the most accurate firearm in the world.

TopHatter
06 Mar 05,, 18:32
I'm originally from Evanston.
But thats all I'll say.
-Tink

Heh, no problem.
Originally from Crystal Lake and Cary (born in St Charles)

sniperdude411
07 Mar 05,, 01:41
"Thankyou for the Info and the link, amazing bit of kit!"

The ChevyTac is supposedly the most accurate firearm in the world.

Check this out: http://www.hkpro.com/wsg2000.htm

"Heh, no problem.
Originally from Crystal Lake and Cary (born in St Charles)"
Live there during the school year.

Bill
07 Mar 05,, 09:49
No need to sell me on the merits of HK weapons.

They are among the very finest in the world.

leib10
21 Mar 05,, 19:50
It's just a little .380, but I'm pretty fond it. Sleek, small, disappears nicely into the small of my back, and I don't even feel it when I'm sitting down :)
Also goes very well with Hydra-Shok ammo, for that extra loving touch.
Hey, I've got one of those! Mine's all blued though.

sniperdude411
21 Mar 05,, 21:37
No need to sell me on the merits of HK weapons.

They are among the very finest in the world.

Of course. Just too much new technology at once and too many parts.
The WA2000 has 314.
My old .22 has maybe 10. Both excluding the parts of the trigger mechanism.

Hey, why don't they make an electromechanical trigger, like paintball guns? They only cost maybe $5 to make, since they are less complicated than a wrist watch.

Bill
21 Mar 05,, 21:58
Because war is not the same as paintball.

sniperdude411
21 Mar 05,, 22:00
i think it's still better. It's also alot easier to install/maintain.

TopHatter
22 Mar 05,, 03:18
Hey, I've got one of those! Mine's all blued though.

Hey, does anybody know the legalities of hollow point ammunition?

Bill
22 Mar 05,, 07:45
where do you live?

TopHatter
23 Mar 05,, 01:42
where do you live?

I have a feeling I should have Googled this before opening my big mouth, right? :redface:

(Florida BTW)

Bill
23 Mar 05,, 01:58
HPs are completely legal in Florida.

TopHatter
23 Mar 05,, 01:59
HPs are completely legal in Florida.

Ah, that's what I figured. Got some bad info from a friend