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    Report: Iran Begins War Game With Warning to U.S., Israel
    Tuesday, July 08, 2008

    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Revolutionary Guards have begun a military exercise and issued a warning that Israel and U.S. naval forces in the Persian Gulf would be prime targets if Iran is attacked.

    The Web site of the elite Iranian force posted a statement late Monday announcing the military drill, which it said involved "missile squads," but did not say where it was taking place. Iran's guards and national army hold regular exercises two or three times a year, but the statement did not say whether this drill was one of them or if it was a special exercise.

    Israel's military sent warplanes over the eastern Mediterranean for a large military exercise in June that U.S. officials described as a possible rehearsal for a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, which the West fears are aimed at producing atomic weapons.

    The Iranian Web Site quoted guard official Ali Shirazi as saying that Israel's coastal metropolis of Tel Aviv and U.S. warships in the Gulf would be among the first targets if Iran comes under attack.

    "The Zionist regime is pushing the White House to prepare for a military strike on Iran," Shirazi was quoted as saying. "If such a stupidity is done by them, Tel Aviv and the U.S. naval fleet in the Persian Gulf will be the first targets which will be set on fire in Iran's crushing response."

    Shirazi is a cleric who represents supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in the guards' naval force. Khamenei has the final say over all state matters.

    "The first shot by the U.S. on Iran will set the U.S. vital interests in the world" at risk, Shirazi said, according to the Web site.

    The U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, headquartered in the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain, is responsible for patrolling the Gulf, the Suez Canal and parts of the Indian Ocean.

    Though Washington says it prefers a diplomatic resolution to the standoff over Iran's nuclear activity, the U.S. and Israel have not ruled out a military option. Iran insists its nuclear program is only for peaceful purposes, such as energy production.

    On Friday, Iran's top Revolutionary Guards commander, Gen. Mohammed Ali Jafari, said Iran would consider any military action against its nuclear facilities as the beginning of a war.

    However, Iranian leaders have said they believe the speculation of a military strike is part of a campaign of psychological warfare.

    The five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council — the United States, Britain, France, China and Russia — as well as Germany have offered new talks if Iran signals it is prepared to suspend its enrichment of uranium, a possible pathway to developing weapons.

    FOXNews.com - Iran Begins War Game With Warning to U.S., Israel - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
    Welcome to the world of illusion.
    I shudder at the show of awesome Iranian firepower on the 5th Fleet.:))
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  • #2
    It would more then likely be the very last missle strike Iran would launch following the ass beating they would get at the hands of the Fifth Fleet. Then imagine the CVBG's that will converge on Iran and literally end it in one day.Tehran would cease to exist.;)
    Last edited by Dreadnought; 08 Jul 08,, 15:46.
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    • #3
      Getting hot, sweaty and breathless there, Dreadnought? A less respectful person would accuse you of getting a little excited at the prospect of death and destruction. Such a person would probably suggest a cold shower and then a conventional porn mag and a little alone time for you.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by HistoricalDavid View Post
        Getting hot, sweaty and breathless there, Dreadnought? A less respectful person would accuse you of getting a little excited at the prospect of death and destruction. Such a person would probably suggest a cold shower and then a conventional porn mag and a little alone time for you.
        David, Nah, One just gets sick of all the saber rattling coming from a country that openly supports terrorism and takes aim at our forces and Allies when an important job is at hand such as in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran will keep testing the waters and unfortunately sooner or later the "paper tiger" is going to get crumpled up in a very small ball and tossed into the **** can pile of forgotten history. Its not something I would like to see happen but others in foreign countries pretty much have no choice with living with these threats and being rocketed every day by forces this particular country supports. You will notice even Syria has quieted down. It will only be a matter of time before the U.N. decides that sanctions will not correct the problem. They are not the fastest to act but the conclusion they will come too will be all the same.

        Allowing your miltary to come out and say such things is not helping matters at all. And who could blame Israel for acting under such rhetoric when faced with such ignorance of peace and trying to settle the Palestinian problem as well.

        Never excited about death and destruction but rhetoric only lasts but for so long and their time is slowly running out. Hope we dont see it but either way it will be dealt with in a manner the U.N. deems as fit im sure.

        As far as down time, no need for porn I do just fine as the mistress Dread would agree and time off is coming very very soon. Hopefully a few days in the sun. Cheers!

        These people remind me very much of Bagdad Bob if you recall who he is.:))
        Last edited by Dreadnought; 08 Jul 08,, 16:28.
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        • #5
          Iranian president says no war with US, Israel
          Jul 8, 11:03 AM (ET)
          By VIJAY JOSHI

          KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that he sees no possibility of a war between his country and the United States or Israel.

          He also predicted Israel would collapse without Iranian action.

          "I assure you that there won't be any war in the future," Ahmadinejad told a news conference during a visit to Malaysia for a summit of developing Muslim nations.

          The Israelis "are a complex political group, but you should know this regime will be eventually destroyed and there is no need of any measure by Iranian people," he said when asked to comment on whether he has called for the destruction of Israel.

          Ahmadinejad's comments came a day after Iran's Revolutionary Guards said in a statement that the country was holding a military drill involving "missile squads" and warned that the country would retaliate against any military strike by targeting Tel Aviv and U.S. warships in the Gulf.

          Iranian officials have been issuing a mix of conciliatory and bellicose statements in recent weeks about the possibility of a clash with the U.S. and Israel.

          Ahmadinejad has in the past called for Israel's elimination. But his exact remarks have been disputed. Some translators say he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," but others say that would be better translated as "vanish from the pages of time" - implying Israel would disappear on its own rather than be destroyed.

          Ahmadinejad also said Tuesday that the next U.S. administration "would need at least 30 years in order to compensate, renovate and innovate the damages done by Mr. Bush."

          "Today, the government of the United States is on the threshold of bankruptcy - from political to economic," Ahmadinejad said.

          "The greatest threat in the Middle East and the whole world ... is the United States' intervention in other countries," Ahmadinejad said.

          He urged Washington to heal its image by "relying on (the) basis of justice, humanitarian acts and respect for human beings."

          For months, Ahmadinejad and other Iranian officials have said they don't believe the U.S. will attack because of its difficulties in Iraq, domestic worries and concerns over the fallout in the region. At the same time, Tehran has stepped up its warnings of retaliation if the Americans - or Israelis - do attack it, including threats to hit Israel and U.S. Gulf bases with missiles and stop oil traffic through the vital Gulf region.

          The Web site of the elite Iranian force posted a statement late Monday quoting guard official Ali Shirazi as saying that Iran would retaliate against any military strike by targeting Tel Aviv and U.S. warships in the Gulf.

          "The Zionist regime is pushing the White House to prepare for a military strike on Iran," Shirazi was quoted as saying.

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          "If such a stupidity is done by them, Tel Aviv and the U.S. naval fleet in the Persian Gulf will be the first targets which will be set on fire in Iran's crushing response."

          Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev would not comment on Shirazi's warning other than to say "his words speak for themselves."

          State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos said such statements by Iran were "unfortunately...not out of the norm."

          "We continue to stress our desire to resolve this issue diplomatically," Gallegos added.

          Israel's military sent warplanes over the eastern Mediterranean for a large military exercise in June that U.S. officials described as a possible rehearsal for a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, which the West fears are aimed at producing atomic weapons.

          The U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, headquartered in the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain, is responsible for patrolling the Gulf, the Suez Canal and parts of the Indian Ocean.

          Shirazi is a cleric who represents supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in the guards' naval force. Khamenei has the final say over all state matters.

          The Guards' Web site also announced that forces were carrying out a military drill involving "missile squads," but did not say where it was taking place.

          Iran's guards and national army hold regular exercises two or three times a year, but the statement did not say whether this drill was one of them or if it was a special exercise.

          *This was released just afterwards. You will note that he states he doesn't seek war with a "banckrupt" political and economical country such as ours and we will need 30 years to recover.

          That shows just how little the man knows. He also knows what would happen if they provoke this "bankrupt country" and he would have no recourse with the U.N. to stop us since they failed to follow a directive regarding the nuclear business several times from the U.N.;)
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          • #6
            I bet their eyes are glued to the U.S. Presidential election. If Obama wins he might get appeasement but if McCain wins I bet hes in for a very rude awakening.;)
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
              David, Nah, One just gets sick of all the saber rattling coming from a country that openly supports terrorism and takes aim at our forces and Allies when an important job is at hand such as in Iraq and Afghanistan.
              And this justifies wiping out Tehran and salivating over said death and destruction how?

              Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
              I bet their eyes are glued to the U.S. Presidential election. If Obama wins he might get appeasement but if McCain wins I bet hes in for a very rude awakening.;)
              Appeasement? Like Bush is doing with North Korea, or with the Al-Anbar tribes? Oh I forgot, that's called negotiation and realpolitik, not appeasement.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by HistoricalDavid View Post
                And this justifies wiping out Tehran how?
                One thing would surely justify it. Take aim at the troops and Allies.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HistoricalDavid View Post
                  And this justifies wiping out Tehran and salivating over said death and destruction how?



                  Appeasement? Like Bush is doing with North Korea, or with the Al-Anbar tribes? Oh I forgot, that's called negotiation and realpolitik, not appeasement.

                  David, If anything Bush has shown that he can be diplomatic. With NK's rhetoric, their bomb tests, and guided missle tests and now the closing of the reactors and the disclosure of where that Atomic information came from. We will help them with heating fuel and with food as well as remove them from the SST list which will open many a new doors for them trade, technogy and people wise. A win/win if you ask me. Did we have to show them we have the capability to deny them threatening their neighbors..yes we did. And now for the first in a long measured time, The Korean peninsula has quieted. Without firng a shot the second time around.

                  The Al-Anbar tribes cost us very little and AQ helped out greatly with that revolving door. AQ basically attacked them and put the elders atop their assasinnation lists. From there as far as their inclusion would go I would rather that info come from Shek. He is much more in tune with this material then I and probably could expalin it much better as well.


                  "And this justifies wiping out Tehran and salivating over said death and destruction how?"

                  On this part I do not follow you.
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                  • #10
                    Update:

                    Coalition holds Gulf exercises to protect oil installations

                    Agence France-Presse

                    MANAMA - US and allied navies on Tuesday wound up exercises in the Gulf, the US Fifth Fleet said, as Iran warned it would strike American interests in response to any attack over its nuclear program.

                    The Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet said the five-day drill was aimed at protecting oil installations in the energy-rich region.

                    Exercise Stake Net, involving ships from Britain, the United States, Bahrain and other regional navies sought to "protect key economic infrastructure in the central and southern" Gulf, the Fifth Fleet said in a statement.

                    Its aim was to "practice the tactics and procedures of protecting maritime infrastructure, such as gas and oil installations," said Peter Hudson, commander of Combined Task Force 152 operating in the Gulf.

                    Fifth Fleet spokeswoman Jane Campbell told AFP the exercise ended on Tuesday. "It was in the planning from months," she said when asked if the exercise was in response to tensions with Iran.

                    An aide to Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned on Tuesday that Tehran would "set on fire" Israel and the US navy in the Gulf as its first response to any American attack over its nuclear program.

                    "The first US shot on Iran would set the United States' vital interests in the world on fire," said Ali Shirazi, a mid-ranking cleric who is Khamenei's representative to the naval forces of the elite Revolutionary Guards.

                    The United States and its top regional ally Israel have never ruled out attacking Iran over its nuclear drive, which the West fears could be aimed at making nuclear weapons.

                    Shirazi's comments came as the Revolutionary Guards embarked on a new round of war games to sharpen their combat readiness.

                    The Guards are responsible for Iran's most significant ballistic missiles including the Shahab-3 missile, whose range puts Israel and US bases in the Gulf within reach.

                    Iran's army chief General Hassan Firouzabad warned on Saturday that the Islamic republic would shut down the Strait of Hormuz if it came under attack.

                    The strait between Iran and Oman is a vital conduit for energy supplies, with as much as 40 percent of the world's crude passing through the strategic waterway.

                    The former Fifth Fleet commander, Vice Admiral Kevin J. Cosgriff, has warned that Iran would not be allowed to close the Hormuz.
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                    • #11
                      HD,
                      I am of the opinion that when a belligerent regime and its leadership speaks of eliminating a sovereign nation, it in turn, runs the danger of becoming a political pariah and willfully nurtures the temptation of its adevrsaries to inflinch unbearable damages on itself. In continuing with its belligerent rhetorics, Iran has by far crossed the "mature nation's" threshold and if perchance Israel gets unable to hold its temptation and shoves in its military might with the equation, "Now or Never", I doubt Tehran can have an alternative destiny.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                        David, Nah, One just gets sick of all the saber rattling coming from a country that openly supports terrorism and takes aim at our forces and Allies when an important job is at hand such as in Iraq and Afghanistan.
                        What does Iran have to do in Afghanistan? And in thier defense, they support the Shia is Iraq for very clear national reasons. The situation with Hezzbollah is mostly based on religious motives no matter the public excuses. but all in all Iran is not a supporter of Terrorism. At least not in the way Saddam was. If we don't judge Iran by any hasher of a measure than our own actions they are not a terrorism supporter at all.

                        Iran will keep testing the waters and unfortunately sooner or later the "paper tiger" is going to get crumpled up in a very small ball and tossed into the **** can pile of forgotten history.
                        If I had to make a wager on who is still around in 1000 years the US or Iran. I would pick Iran. I am very proud to be an American, but we are to much like Rome. A disparete peoples linked by prosperity and the idea of America. Iran is an acient land that has seen the eons come and go.

                        Its not something I would like to see happen but others in foreign countries pretty much have no choice with living with these threats and being rocketed every day by forces this particular country supports.
                        Imagine having the most powerful country in the world, a nation already duped into attacking you once and deposing a democratically elected government, who also installed a madman next door and then armed him with poison gas so he could attack you. A`nation that now has 130,000 troops right next door and who is sailing the most powerful warships ever devised just off your coast. Iran feels under seige, and they are. Yes, when the elephant is walking by the mice need to be careful, but the mice can still feel offended by the elephants foot steps.


                        You will notice even Syria has quieted down.
                        Getting a secret facility hidden 150km behind Damascus levelled by warplanes and a new net jamming technology might have something to do with that. Israel and the US did not just open a can of whoop as on Syria. That new net jamming technology was the equivalent of dropping a beer truck load of the whoop ass cans on them. The problem is, Iran has not been beaten yet.

                        It will only be a matter of time before the U.N. decides that sanctions will not correct the problem.
                        I'll take that bet. I have zero faith that Russia, France, or China will ever act.

                        They are not the fastest to act but the conclusion they will come too will be all the same.
                        But it will never be at the same time. When Russia is for it, China will oppose and so on and so forth.

                        Allowing your miltary to come out and say such things is not helping matters at all. And who could blame Israel for acting under such rhetoric when faced with such ignorance of peace and trying to settle the Palestinian problem as well.
                        Lets not pretend Israel wants peace, not with new settlements going up.

                        Never excited about death and destruction but rhetoric only lasts but for so long and their time is slowly running out. Hope we dont see it but either way it will be dealt with in a manner the U.N. deems as fit im sure.
                        Inaction is the UN way, either that or sanctions that only hurt the innocent.

                        As far as down time, no need for porn I do just fine as the mistress Dread would agree and time off is coming very very soon. Hopefully a few days in the sun. Cheers!
                        Have fun in the sun!

                        These people remind me very much of Bagdad Bob if you recall who he is.:))
                        I always thought Larry, Curly, and Moe. Iran's pres releases are typical regime propaganda but thats what Iranian civilans ae used to.

                        Ahmadinejad also said Tuesday that the next U.S. administration "would need at least 30 years in order to compensate, renovate and innovate the damages done by Mr. Bush."
                        spot on, thats when the tresury notes come due. My son who is 12 will be thinking about being a grandfather before this war is paid off.


                        "Today, the government of the United States is on the threshold of bankruptcy - from political to economic," Ahmadinejad said.
                        2 for 2 so far

                        "The greatest threat in the Middle East and the whole world ... is the United States' intervention in other countries," Ahmadinejad said.
                        a swing and a miss, but with a grain of truth.

                        He urged Washington to heal its image by "relying on (the) basis of justice, humanitarian acts and respect for human beings."
                        we do, but the media doesn't report on the velvet glove over the mailed fist, it just reports the mailed fist. In terms of raw numbers, Bush might have saved more lives than any other man in history. His AIDS relief in Africa is that continets only real hope right now. But aside from Africa, Bush is quite possibly the worst man to hold the highest elected office since Taft.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by zraver View Post
                          What does Iran have to do in Afghanistan? And in thier defense, they support the Shia is Iraq for very clear national reasons. The situation with Hezzbollah is mostly based on religious motives no matter the public excuses. but all in all Iran is not a supporter of Terrorism. At least not in the way Saddam was. If we don't judge Iran by any hasher of a measure than our own actions they are not a terrorism supporter at all.
                          Well, you are right, not in way Saddam was. But the Hizbullah support sucks big time.

                          If I had to make a wager on who is still around in 1000 years the US or Iran. I would pick Iran. I am very proud to be an American, but we are to much like Rome. A disparete peoples linked by prosperity and the idea of America. Iran is an acient land that has seen the eons come and go.
                          Did you mean something philosophical that I missed in its entirity?
                          These nations are ancient no doubt, but unlike India, none of them have preserved their original culturo-religious mix. Infact there is a "Shayri"(Urdu Poem) in this line thats says, "The greeks, romans, egyptian(mesopotamia) all phased out, we are the only one still around, something must be special about our existence, cause time has been our enemy for ages." :)
                          But thats that. Other than being an ancient piece of land and its remmenant DNA, present day Iran is so much so of a newbee. I won't be willing to pick Iran in comparison to the US. Its simple, the US is probably the only nation other than India to be home to almost all the flavours of mankind and Mind You with the ultimate freedom and minimal discrimination. Such nations don't normally fade out history in matter of 1000 years. Unless ofcourse China nukes you or Armageddon comes true.:))


                          Imagine having the most powerful country in the world, a nation already duped into attacking you once and deposing a democratically elected government, who also installed a madman next door and then armed him with poison gas so he could attack you. A`nation that now has 130,000 troops right next door and who is sailing the most powerful warships ever devised just off your coast. Iran feels under seige, and they are. Yes, when the elephant is walking by the mice need to be careful, but the mice can still feel offended by the elephants foot steps.
                          But then the mice should think better than holding couple of elephants as hostages.:))

                          I'll take that bet. I have zero faith that Russia, France, or China will ever act.
                          I wouldn't want them either. Who wants to spoil the broth when we already have two most qualified Cheffs at service. Just let them simmer the broth till red.:P
                          Lets not pretend Israel wants peace, not with new settlements going up.
                          Israel may not want peace, but it certainly wants guarantees that a future Iran doesn't has the means and resolve to intimidate Israel. Huge temptation to walk the talk and go for the air strikes.
                          we do, but the media doesn't report on the velvet glove over the mailed fist, it just reports the mailed fist. In terms of raw numbers, Bush might have saved more lives than any other man in history. His AIDS relief in Africa is that continets only real hope right now. But aside from Africa, Bush is quite possibly the worst man to hold the highest elected office since Taft.
                          Bullcrap!!! He is the solitary angel ass on holy earth. Atleast till times that the 123 agreement is alive.:))
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                            "What does Iran have to do in Afghanistan? And in thier defense, they support the Shia is Iraq for very clear national reasons. The situation with Hezzbollah is mostly based on religious motives no matter the public excuses. but all in all Iran is not a supporter of Terrorism. At least not in the way Saddam was. If we don't judge Iran by any hasher of a measure than our own actions they are not a terrorism supporter at all."

                            Are you out of your mind? Where in the hell do you think these IED shaped charge explosives that are killing troops come from? Where do you think a good majority of these insurgents are being trained and who is training them. The tooth fairey?

                            Where is Al Sadr at present and exactly where has he been giving his orders from? Bermuda?

                            Iran supports,equips and trains Hezbollah that is fact. Hezbolla is a terrorist orgaization. That is fact undeniable fact. I guess the Quds force dont belong to Iran either.

                            "If I had to make a wager on who is still around in 1000 years the US or Iran. I would pick Iran. I am very proud to be an American, but we are to much like Rome. A disparete peoples linked by prosperity and the idea of America. Iran is an acient land that has seen the eons come and go."

                            I would wager the U.S. I also might wager Iran probably wont be Iran in the next thousand years as it has not even been Iran for a thousand years merely since 1935.

                            Imagine having the most powerful country in the world, a nation already duped into attacking you once and deposing a democratically elected government, who also installed a madman next door and then armed him with poison gas so he could attack you. A`nation that now has 130,000 troops right next door and who is sailing the most powerful warships ever devised just off your coast. Iran feels under seige, and they are. Yes, when the elephant is walking by the mice need to be careful, but the mice can still feel offended by the elephants foot steps.

                            I think you need to re read a bit about who armed him with said gases. It certainly wasnt the US government. More like a few crooked US businessmen that were tried and found guilty and are in prison form exporting the materials used in its creation.


                            "Getting a secret facility hidden 150km behind Damascus levelled by warplanes and a new net jamming technology might have something to do with that. Israel and the US did not just open a can of whoop as on Syria. That new net jamming technology was the equivalent of dropping a beer truck load of the whoop ass cans on them. The problem is, Iran has not been beaten yet."

                            Please for the life of me mention or please do quote anywhere in the previous post where I made such an assertion that America had anything to do with the reactor bombing?

                            Iran is not beaten. Iran could have its ass handed to it faster then they know. We want to settle it diplomaticaly but military use has not been ruled out. If we wanted too we could level it within days beyond doubt. All that proves is that we could do it if we wanted to not because we had to. Diplomacy still has a very good chance. The ball is on their court and we along with the U.N. are not going anywhere.

                            "I'll take that bet. I have zero faith that Russia, France, or China will ever act."

                            1) Russia dont want the missle shield in place. Just how fast do you really believe they will fold if offered consessions. If we take action agaist Iran we just removed one of Russias biggest arms importers.

                            2) France has a new priminister. Different outlook on the problem.

                            3) China, That we shall see. With the right consessions nothing is impossible.


                            "Lets not pretend Israel wants peace, not with new settlements going up."

                            In Ironic reflection...Certainly not with Hezbollah launching rockets into villages on a daily basis. Israel should just launch rockets or MOAB's back in return instead of wasting their money launching sorties. The Palistinians dont care who they kill with the rockets so why should Israel. Once the death toll has climbed enough the Pals will turn on Hezbollah just to stop the rockets and bombings and then the cracks will show and the path that leads right back to Iran.

                            "spot on, thats when the tresury notes come due. My son who is 12 will be thinking about being a grandfather before this war is paid off."

                            Very doubtful in the least.



                            "we do, but the media doesn't report on the velvet glove over the mailed fist, it just reports the mailed fist. In terms of raw numbers, Bush might have saved more lives than any other man in history. His AIDS relief in Africa is that continets only real hope right now. But aside from Africa, Bush is quite possibly the worst man to hold the highest elected office since Taft. "

                            Thats because it dont sell papers. Wether right or wrong "free speech" be glad you live in a country that protects that right even if it is used carelesssly.

                            History will judge Bush better then any media circus out there. Is he the best? Nope. But did he do what needed to be done. Yep. Popular or unpopular he kept the Russians on their toes and he didnt take **** from terrorists and did the unpopular job. The one no one else wanted.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                              It would more then likely be the very last missle strike Iran would launch following the ass beating they would get at the hands of the Fifth Fleet. Then imagine the CVBG's that will converge on Iran and literally end it in one day.Tehran would cease to exist.;)
                              Very well said . . . . .

                              I don't think most people realize this (or maybe they do, and choose to ignore it), but a CSG has more firepower than most countries (and that's just one CSG; we have a total of 11 CSG's worldwide). That's not counting all of the USAF assets that could be moved to the ME Theatre in a matter of days. The amount of firepower (and in a relatively short amount of time) that the US would bring to bear on Iran is staggering. We would not, of course, emerge unscathed, but it would be a fairly lopsided victory.
                              "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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