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02 Mar 08,, 22:06

I hope you don't mind I use your Field Mess as my soapbox for my 2 yuan, of course I can be totally wrong.

Sino-US relations is very complex with many players and different agendas. However, recently I noted the change of tone in the US since the departure of Rumsfeld and I think both sides come to an understanding. I am not referring news papers’ headline of the moment, I am thinking of the strong reactions US displayed during Taiwan’s UN membership drive, the military hotline, more military exchanges etc.

In addition, Admiral Timothy J. Keating’s recent statement for the Joint Chief is even more telling.

Our future efforts will emphasize opportunities for cooperation with
China rather than areas of competition.

Other folks from Joint Force Quarterly also expressed similar view, folks like Maerz, Ford, Saunders, Quam, and Medeiros. There is no a single voice for containment within the Joint Chief. I also saw noted PLA watchers such as Blasko, Murray are being heard. Even more surprising is that Sanders toned down his remark in his recent articles.

To add to that, the recent hearing by the US congress’s US-China Economic and Security Commission also hold a much softer line, different from that two years ago.

Hearing on “China's Views of Sovereignty and Methods of Access Control”
February 27, 2008

February 27, 2008
Room 562, Dirksen Senate Office Building
First Street and Constitution Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20510

They are not friends to be sure, but I think the relations are entering a more pragmatic period. Of course, the honeymoon can be over at any given moment if it is not managed properly.

02 Mar 08,, 22:18
Here is an example

Peter A. Dutton
Associate Professor, China Maritime Studies Institute
U.S. Naval War College
Testimony before the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission
China’s Views of Sovereignty and Methods of Access Control
February 27, 2008

Testimony before the U.S.–China Economic and Security Review Commission: Hearing on China’s Views of Sovereignty and Methods of Access Control - Statement of Peter A. Dutton (http://www.uscc.gov/hearings/2008hearings/written_testimonies/08_02_27_wrts/08_02_27_dutton_statement.php)

First: engage the PLA at all levels. Direct, personal relationships build the familiarity that help prevent misunderstandings and to diffuse tensions during times of crisis. It is encouraging that the new U.S. Maritime Strategy underscores the Navy’s traditional commitment to international engagement as a key aspect of preventing war. The existing legal and policy limitations on military to military contacts between the U.S. and China should in the short term be relaxed and ultimately eliminated. Fundamentally, military to military contacts produce the mutual insight that helps avoid military miscalculations and hopefully, eventually, forms the basis of stabilizing trust. Maritime engagement between the U.S. and China is already flourishing in relations between our respective Coast Guard establishments. This success can serve as a foundation for greater engagement and cooperation.

Perhaps another form of engagement is also called for. Specifically, coordinated strategic communications should be undertaken to highlight the clear expectation that as major stakeholders in the international system the Chinese must accept the responsibilities of membership as well as its benefits. This year may provide an important window of opportunity in this regard, with China front and center on the international stage during the Summer Olympics and the months leading up to them. China’s full integration into the modern international political and economic order has profoundly altered China’s development; but, having accepted the international system and all its benefits, the U.S. should make it clear that China cannot legitimately claim historical exceptionalism from some of the system’s less convenient demands. This is a message not just for China, but also for the audiences susceptible to Chinese influence and especially for other Asian states whose support China hopes to gain as it seeks to legitimize its perspectives on sovereignty and jurisdictional authority. This is an aspect of engagement and a source of leverage that the United States has perhaps not yet fully explored.

03 Mar 08,, 03:58
huh, funny, Just saw this on yahoo video.

ABC News
U.S. Hopes for Transparency with China's Military
U.S. Admiral Travels Around China To Learn More About Its Army

March 2, 2008 —

The U.S. is hooking up a military hotline directly to China, like the one the country used to have with the Russians during the Cold War, ABC News has learned exclusively.

The news says a lot about the fastest growing military in the world, as some question whether China is a friend or foe of the U.S.

ABC News got an inside look at China's military headquarters. The Bayi, which basically is the Chinese Pentagon, is an organization so secretive it didn't even have a published phone number until recently. Even now, it doesn't have a spokesperson.

Though some worry about the might of China's army, which is the fastest growing military in the world, but one top Chinese general said Americans shouldn't be worried.

"There is such a big gap between our military and the American military. If you say you are afraid, it means that you don't have enough courage," said he said.

Even by the Pentagon's estimates, China spends only about one-quarter of what the U.S. spends on defense. Still China's military is growing every bit as fast as its economy and some analysts said it's the quickest military build-up in history.

"The Chinese military is developing impressive capabilities. We are watching carefully," said Admiral Timothy Keating, who as the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific keeps an eye on China.

Keating has traveled throughout China in order to get to know its generals, but the problem is that the Chinese military is so secretive it's impossible to know what they are doing.

The Chinese have extended an olive branch. The country insisted when Keating flies over Chinese airspace he takes one of its planes.

"They have been quite firm that we fly on their airplane inside their territorial airspace," Keating said. "[It's] understandable."

The sight of Chinese and American officials flying around together may be odd, but it gives China the chance to show its hospitality and also let's the Chinese watch Keating while he's in the country.

When Keating landed, the admiral said goodbye to China's top commander in the south, but not before making an extraordinary offer:

"If there is anything I can do -- on a personal or professional basis -- to help you in your job -- please contact me directly," Keating said as he clasped the commander's hand.

He hopes China will be a friend, not a foe.

Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures

04 Mar 08,, 17:59
the report is out.

March 03, 2008
China Military Power Report Released

The Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for East Asia, David Sedney, will announce the 2008 DoD Report to Congress on the Military Power of the People’s Republic of China at 3:30 p.m. EST, March 3, in the DoD Briefing Room, Pentagon 2E579.

Journalists without a Pentagon building pass will be picked up at the North Parking Entrance only. Plan to arrive no later than 45 minutes prior to the event; have proof of affiliation and two forms of photo identification. Please call (703) 697-5131 for escort into the building.


Officer of Engineers
04 Mar 08,, 18:10
I agree with you, Andy, it looks like that they just changed the dates from last year.

04 Mar 08,, 18:57
I was disappointed, in light of Blasko's very critical review published in the Joint force quarterly just two months ago.

One of the item I agreed with Blasko's as follow

In particular, the Defense Department has
made no comment about what its observers
saw at North Sword 2005, which included
participation of elements of two armored
divisions supported by airborne troops,
nor has it provided information about the
first North Sword exercise in 2003 that U.S.
observers also attended. These exercises were
described extensively in the Chinese media
and appeared to be much more realistic than
the demonstrations U.S. military personnel
often see on routine visits. In May 2006,
the commander of U.S forces in the Pacific
visited a PLA Air Force base and sat in the
cockpit of one of China’s newest indigenously
manufactured aircraft, the JH–7 Flying
Leopard.29 In March 2007, the Chairman of
the Joint Chiefs was given access to Su–27
aircraft and Type 99 tanks at “advanced” units
of the PLA.

Since US military personal were there, tell us what they saw from a professional POV.

15 Mar 08,, 08:55
just scan some recent publications for something I am working on

and found those US Naval Warcollage dudes are very active recently.

From Central for Defense Information, Dr Andrew Erickson's latest article
New U.S. Maritime Strategy:
Initial Chinese Responses


The United States must convince
Beijing the new strategy is not a
disguise for a containment of China.

Despite suspicious rhetoric, China
is quietly cooperating with the
United States in maritime securty.

15 Mar 08,, 08:55
latest CSR report, surprise to see the word "cooperation"

CRS Report - "China's Space Program: Options for U.S.-China Cooperation"
January 15, 2008
"China's Space Program: Options for U.S.-China Cooperation," CRS Report RS22777, Dec. 14, 2007.

15 Mar 08,, 08:56
US navy's Apac fourm

Compiled by Asia-Pacific Defense FORUM Staff
Asia-Pacific Defense Forum (http://forum.apan-info.net/)
Compiled by Asia-Pacific Defense FORUM Staff from press releases by SSgt. Marc Ayalin, USMC, assigned to 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit Public Affairs; PO3 Adam R. Cole, USN, assigned to Task Force 76; and PO3 Ashley Hickman, USN, assigned to Fleet Public Affairs Center, Pacific.

"By working together, we can add to the security,
stability and prosperity of the region."

Admiral Gary Roughead
Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet

"This exercise is really beneficial ... [to] the relationships of our two countries. I hope we can expand these activities so we can build more mutual trust."

Vice Admiral Gu Wengen
Commander, South Sea Fleet
People’s Liberation Army (Navy)

People’s Republic of China (PRC) and U.S. forces worked together in a series of search-and-rescue exercises (SAREXs) in late 2006 to increase the safety of sailors and airmen operating near each other. SAR exercises are designed to rehearse the procedures to find and save those who are lost at sea. The U.S. and the PRC have established a Military Maritime Consultative Agreement (MMCA) that has become the primary forum for the armed forces of the two countries to advance their common objectives of improved air and maritime safety.

The U.S. and the PRC share an interest in safety of their military personnel and acknowledge the common challenges all sailors and airmen face. Saving people in distress is a universally shared value.

The 2006 exercise went beyond the basics. This provided U.S. and PRC forces with a complex challenge. To increase the difficulty as well as the realism, both sides agreed to use language independent of communications protocols, elements of free play, and fixed-wing maritime patrol craft.

The exercises followed PRC naval ship visits to U.S. ports, military personnel exchanges, and a symposium of Western Pacific naval leaders in Honolulu, Hawaii. These activities are efforts by both countries to increase military-to-military contacts that lead to a safer, more prosperous region by offering ways to increase transparency and build mutual trust, confidence and understanding.

The SAREX in September 2006 consisted of two phases. In the first phase, the U.S. Navy’s guided missile destroyer Chung-Hoon (DDG 93) conducted communications and passing exercises off the Hawaiian coast with two People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLA(N)) ships: guided missle destroyer Qingdao (DDG 113) and oiler Hongzehu (AOR 881). The two PLA(N) ships then sailed to San Diego, California, for a SAREX with the U.S. Navy’s Third Fleet. The second phase occurred off the coast of China during the November 2006 visit to China by the Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, Admiral Gary Roughead. This second phase involved U.S. Navy and other PLA(N) ships.

SAREX – First Phase

Pearl Harbor SAREX
In the first SAREX phase, the USS Chung-Hoon conducted a communications exercise (COMMEX) with PLA(N) ships, Qingdao and Hongzehu. COMMEX activities build proficiency in the use of internationally accepted communications protocols that are key to how sailors communicate with one another on the high seas.

Building upon the COMMEX, Chung-Hoon also conducted a passing exercise (PASSEX) with PLA(N) ships. The PASSEX is a routine exercise that focuses on basic safety of navigation at sea. U.S. Navy ships regularly participate in passing exercises with foreign navies around the world.

San Diego SAREX
U.S. Navy sailors from the guided missle destroyer USS Shoup (DDG 86) and Torpedo Weapon Recovery Vessel Swamp Fox (TRW821) conducted a SAREX with the PLA(N) crew of Qingdao (DDG 113) off the coast of San Diego in Southern California in September 2006.

During this SAREX, damage controlmen and corpsmen from both Shoup and Qingdao (DDG 113) combined forces in simulated flooding and medical emergency drills on Swamp Fox to get a better understanding of how each navy operates. “We demonstrated how we would save the ship from fire and flooding,” said U.S. Navy SCPO Cindy Cruzan. “The Chinese sailors did a very good job and were very professional. It was difficult with the language barrier, but through demonstration and a lot of acting out, we were able to accomplish what we intended, which was to demonstrate our abilities to save the ship.”

“This is the first in a series of bilateral exercises that the U.S. is conducting with the Chinese,” said U.S. Navy Capt. Michael Gilday, Commander, Destroyer Squadron Seven. “Military-to-military contact is an important part of that relationship.”

Zhanjiang Port Visit
More than 900 U.S. Marines and sailors embarked on the amphibious transport dock ship USS Juneau (LPD 10), arrived in Zhanjiang, China, in November 2006 for a three-day port visit and to participate in a SAREX with their Chinese counterparts.

Juneau and its crew were welcomed to Maxie Naval Base in Zhanjiang, the headquarters of the PLA(N)’s South Sea Fleet. Though U.S. Navy vessels had visited Zhanjiang twice before, this was the first time that a U.S. ship had moored inside the naval base and shared the same pier with PLA(N) ships. Our PLA(N) friends were gracious hosts at every turn, and we tried to reciprocate in the various events hosted by us,” said Capt. John D. Alexander, commanding officer of the USS Juneau. “All in all, I think the sailors and embarked Marines got to know their counterparts better and found some common ground with them.”

At the PLA(N) South Sea Fleet Headquarters, Admiral Roughead, on his first visit to China as Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, met with China’s South Sea Fleet Commander, Vice Adm. Gu Wengen. Vice Adm. Gu and Admiral Roughead discussed naval infrastructure matters, the possibility of conducting submarine rescue exercises, and the overall future relations between both countries’ navies.

Commenting on the importance of the Juneau port visit, Admiral Roughead said, “I believe by having Juneau here gives our sailors and Marines an opportunity to learn [about China] and will bring our navies closer together. By working together, we can add to the security, stability and prosperity of the region.”

Vice Adm. Gu agreed that fostering better relations is important for both countries’ militaries and that the relationship can affect its people. “This exercise is really beneficial, not only for our armed forces, but it is a need between the relationships of our two countries,” he said. “I hope we can expand these activities so we can build more mutual trust.”

Local government officials from Zhanjiang also welcomed Juneau and its crew. “The people of Zhanjiang cherish your visit,” said Zhanjiang’s Deputy Mayor, Chen Ya De. “I would like to wish the military service members from the Juneau good health and a happy life.”

Chinese officials hosted a welcome reception for more than 100 U.S. Marines and sailors at a naval lodging facility. The reception closed a day of military visits by commanders and staff, and allowed them the opportunity to establish relationships before the scheduled SAREX.

During Admiral Roughead’s visit, he met with China’s civilian and military leaders in addition to visiting the USS Juneau. “Enhancing our navy-to-navy relationships is especially important so we can cooperate in our many areas of mutual interest,” said Admiral Roughead. “Through routine dialogue and exercise, our navies can improve the ability to coordinate naval operations in missions such as maritime security, search and rescue, and humanitarian relief.”

Admiral Roughead’s China visit and the follow on SAREX built upon other activities, including the visit of PLA(N) ships to U.S. ports, military personnel exchanges, and a gathering of Western Pacific naval leaders in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Admiral Roughead and Capt. Alexander, along with U.S. Marine Lt. Col. Marcus Annibale, officer in charge of the embarked Marines aboard Juneau, toured one of the PLA(N) ships and were given a special capabilities exhibition by PLA(N) Marines. Admiral Roughead, who took advantage of an invitation to shoot at a Marine rifle range after the Marine demonstrations, said he was impressed with the capabilities of the PLA(N) and further emphasized that their cooperation was key to regional security. “What I see out here is a high level of fitness and a drive for excellence – traits exhibited in U.S. Marines,” he said. “We have a lot of things in common, and those commonalities will hopefully lead to our increased level of bilateral engagement between our forces.”

Throughout the visit, sailors and Marines of both countries learned from each other. Chinese sailors were eager to learn about systems, tools and procedures that go into life aboard a U.S. Navy ship and vice versa for U.S. sailors. The sporting competitions, ship tours, and receptions afforded an opportunity for exchange.

Second-Phase SAREX off China’s Southern Coast
Following the port visit to Zhanjiang, USS Juneau participated in the second-phase SAREX with the city’s naval namesake Zhanjiang (DD 165). This second phase of the SAREX displayed progress between the two navies and nations.

Joined by guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and using Marine air assets embarked aboard Juneau, as well as fixed-wing aircraft from both the U.S. and China, the three-ship SAREX task force found the simulated distressed vessel. They then embarked rescue and assistance teams on it.

“Through this exercise, we have built a stronger foundation upon which to conduct future exercises and operations together,” said Capt. Alexander. “This has been an invaluable opportunity for our ships and personnel to plan and execute in tandem.”

“There were many good points to this exercise,” said PLA(N) Cmdr. Gong Changping, Zhanjiang executive officer, who was aboard Juneau during the exercise as a liaison officer observing the exercise from the U.S. viewpoint. “We see this as a stepping stone to future cooperation. We feel it is important to work together with the U.S. Navy to help make this region a safer place.”

The exercise began just after sunrise when a simulated distress signal was sent to Zhanjiang from the Chinese replenishment ship Dongtinghu (AOE 883). Zhanjiang then requested Juneau’s help to complete the search and rescue, and execution of a joint mission was put in motion.

A U.S. Navy P-3 Orion and a PLA(N) Y-7 Coke provided the major search capabilities while the ships steamed in formation in a given search area. Once detected by the P-3, U.S. Marine CH-46E Sea Knight helicopters provided visual confirmation and acted as the on-scene commander, keeping in visual contact with the distressed vessel while the ships moved in a staging position for rescue.

Using international symbols and call signs, the aerial assets safely navigated the international air space and achieved the mission. “Having a visual view of the distressed vessel is a key element to the search and rescue process,” said U.S. Marine Maj. Michael Kaminski, one of the CH-46E Sea Knight pilots.

After arriving near the distressed vessel, each ship’s rescue and assistance team - composed of damage controlmen, repair specialists, and medical personnel - deployed to the vessel itself. Once onboard, the Chinese and U.S. teams exchanged damage control training techniques and displayed their equipment.

Several elements built into the exercise further enhanced interaction between the navies. While in the search phase, the SAREX task force conducted four maneuvers in formation, with Juneau having operational control of two of those and Zhanjiang controlling the other two. Another element was the flashing lights communication drill done the night before the exercise.

Those involved in the planning stages felt that agreements on terms of the exercise were crucial to its success. “We want to have better cooperation on an international level,” said Cmdr. Gong. “So that way we can be prepared for real-world operations.”

“It says a lot that we were able to work through cultural differences and settle on a workable plan, whose execution was both effective and educational,” agreed U.S. Navy Lt. Ken P. Ward.

15 Mar 08,, 08:58
Cmdr Murry and Goldstein's latest work for NBR.

International Submarine Rescue: A Constructive Role for China?
Lyle Goldstein & William Murray

15 Mar 08,, 09:01
and of course.

China and the United States
on the High Seas
Dare to Dream
The U.S. Navy is actively promoting an international maritime cooperation
concept called the Global Maritime Partnership Initiative (GMPI). In popular
parlance the proposal has been coined the “Thousand-Ship Navy” and calls for
naval and maritime efforts among many countries around the world.1 The idea
originated with the U.S. Navy in 2005 for navies and coast guards to protect sea
lanes, curb maritime terrorism and piracy, and prevent proliferation of materials
associated with weapons of mass destruction.2 For the first time it holds out
the serious prospect for extensive maritime cooperation between China and
the United States. The concept’s most prominent proponent, Adm. Michael
Mullen, the former head of the U.S. Navy and current chairman of Joint Chiefs
of Staff, has raised the issue of Chinese participation with his counterpart, Adm.
Wu Shengli, commander of China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).3
Eric McVadon

China Security, Vol. 3 No. 4 Autumn 2007, pp. 3 - 28
2007 World Security Institute
Eric McVadon is a retired rear admiral for the U.S. Navy. Currently, he is director of Asia-
Pacific Studies at the Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis and a consultant on East Asia
Security Affairs.