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Flower
25 Feb 08,, 10:28
Well, as it appears I am one of the few Liberals on this forum, I feel it is my duty to give the public at least 10 good reasons to vote Liberal in 2008 (yes, there will probably be an election this year). One reason a day to keep our fans coming back for more, although sub-reasons and commentary will flow from the main reason.

Reason #10

The Liberals have a broader base of talent than the Conservatives or any other opposition party.

We have Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Dion, and Kennedy. That doesn't even include the numerous former Cabinet Ministers and Pierre Trudeau's son who will contest the next election.

When in power the Liberals more evenly shared power and responsibility. With Harper, he calls all the shots. There was even a Cabinet Minister of Asian decent who resigned because he could not be an effective minister in the Harper government because Harper wanted to do everything and not share.

Basically, its a team approach with the Liberals and a one man approach with the Conservatives.

Also, when Chretien and Martin were in power, there was a position for the Deputy Prime Minister. Harper nullified this position because he wants all the power for himself, even when he is abroad on government business.

Now, ask yourself, who do the Conservatives have who can compare to the impressive list aforementioned above? If Harper dies of a heart attack tomorrow who else who is fluent in both England and French who can even lead the Conservatives?

lwarmonger
25 Feb 08,, 10:56
I see one reason labelled as ten, not ten reasons... and if I were more familiar with Canadian politics quite probably one highly debatable reason.

T_igger_cs_30
25 Feb 08,, 13:30
Given you have all that "amazing" talent...why do you have such an inept bumbling fool as a leader? your amazing talent sure has good taste and judgement dont you think .

Officer of Engineers
25 Feb 08,, 14:02
When in power the Liberals more evenly shared power and responsibility. With Harper, he calls all the shots. There was even a Cabinet Minister of Asian decent who resigned because he could not be an effective minister in the Harper government because Harper wanted to do everything and not share.WHAT?

Kings Trudeau, Chretien, and Martin ring any bell?

Exarecr
25 Feb 08,, 15:20
Hello Flower. How was your trip to Zion. When your travel agency booked you out of Woodstock did they tell you anything at all about a return "trip". Welcome back to Earth. OH....My...Gaaaaaaaaaawd. Whats next, peace in our time!

Flower
27 Feb 08,, 02:41
WHAT?

Kings Trudeau, Chretien, and Martin ring any bell?
Kings and Trudeau are before my time, so I cannot comment there. But in relation to Chretien and Martin, both of them had much bigger cabinets than Stephen Harper, and so I think it can be said that power was more broadly shared within the Liberal governments and more concentrated with with Harper government on that basis.

But I digress. Back to 10 good reasons to vote Liberal next election.

Reason #9

The Liberal governments did an amazing job as the country's economic managers. So good in fact, that the previous Reform Party tried taking credit for their results by claiming they told the governing Liberal party what to do whilst they were in opposition.

Lets look at the results: -

Paul Martin slayed the deficit;
Taxes were slashed drastically; and
Over 15% of the national debt, which peaked at around $600 Billion was paid off leaving a balance of closer to $500 Billion when Harper took over in 2005.

Now those are Liberal results that you can take to the Bank!

dalem
27 Feb 08,, 04:15
You'd HAVE to be a Liberal to think that anyone "deserves" to win anything.

-dale

Adux
27 Feb 08,, 10:40
You'd HAVE to be a Liberal to think that anyone "deserves" to win anything.

-dale

:biggrin: :biggrin:

Officer of Engineers
27 Feb 08,, 13:58
Kings and Trudeau are before my time, so I cannot comment there.It is kind of disingenuous to accuse Harper when you don't know Liberals own history.


But in relation to Chretien and Martin, both of them had much bigger cabinets than Stephen Harper,And how many of them were Ministers without Portollios?

If you accuse people of being kings, then you should at least read up on Liberal's own history. How many people have Martin, Chretien, and Trudeau told to shut up or else?

Flower
27 Feb 08,, 23:41
It is kind of disingenuous to accuse Harper when you don't know Liberals own history. You do not need to have a degree in history or understand every facet of Canada's 140 year history to be proud of the accomplishments of the Liberal Party. I was about 18 when Chretien first won office, defeating the incredibly inept Kim Campbell, and doing Canada its biggest favour ever in the process. This was where my interest in politics began.

And how many of them were Ministers without Portollios? There was at least one if I recall, and I think (but an not quite 100%) that the role of a Minister Without Portfolio was to fill in for Ministers when they had to attend overseas functions. Basically, as stand by Ministers - to provide continuous good governance to Canadians.

If you accuse people of being kings, then you should at least read up on Liberal's own history. How many people have Martin, Chretien, and Trudeau told to shut up or else? I don't know. But what I do remember is Chretien making a public spectacle out of a senator who lived in Mexico and collected his salary as a Canadian Senator. This Senator was a Liberal, and Chretien wasn't afraid to make his life hell because he wasn't pulling his wieght and serving the publics interest. That showed leadership. Where has Harper done likewise in dressing down one of his own?

Officer of Engineers
28 Feb 08,, 03:32
I don't knowThat says it all. You are in no position to tell us what we lived through.

Canmoore
28 Feb 08,, 03:33
The Liberals have a broader base of talent than the Conservatives or any other opposition party.

We have Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Dion, and Kennedy. That doesn't even include the numerous former Cabinet Ministers and Pierre Trudeau's son who will contest the next election.

BAHAHAHA!

oh lord.. are you kidding me??

Bob Rae? The man who once led the socialist NDP party in Ontario, destroyed the provincial economy and sent that province into its worse recession since the Great Depression???

Ignatieff? Ok, he is the only Liberal who I can support. However, he wasn't even in Canada for the past what? decade? Then he struts back into Canada thinking he knows it all... then opens up old wounds with his remarks about Quebec being a nation??

Quebec sovereignty is quiet right now, and fading away.. Will a reckless Ignatieff destroy all that we accomplished and set off another time bomb in Quebec???

Dion? Good lord man, give your head a shake! He has had chance after chance to bring down the "evil" conservatives, yet he is to chicken **** to gamble, so he doesn't.. instead he whips his party to abstain, walk out, or just goes along with Harper... He is no leader.

Kennedy? Kennedy is a political rookie, hardly fit to run the country...

Yup, the Liberals are just bursting with PM caliber material....geez!!

Flower
28 Feb 08,, 06:44
Bob Rae? The man who once led the socialist NDP party in Ontario, destroyed the provincial economy and sent that province into its worse recession since the Great Depression???

The whole country went into recession, not just Ontario.

Also, federally, the Conservatives were in power in 1991 when Rae was elected Ontario Premier. Who do you think bears more responsibility for the national recession? The provincial NDP, or the federal Conservatives?

Whichever answer you choose, the Liberals had no hand in it because at the time they were in opposition both in Ontario and federally!


Ignatieff? Ok, he is the only Liberal who I can support. However, he wasn't even in Canada for the past what? decade?
Yes, he was absent from Canada - because he was teaching at Harvard University. Are you going to hold that against him? Is everybody who is talented enough to teach at Harvard ineligible to come back to Canada and seek public office, or do you complain only because he is Liberal and not Conservative?


Dion? Good lord man, give your head a shake! He has had chance after chance to bring down the "evil" conservatives, yet he is to chicken **** to gamble, so he doesn't.
He has more federal cabinet experience than anyone in the current cabinet! So he is timing his move when to bring down the Harper government? So what? You said it yourself, there is an anticipated downturn in the economy coming up. I can see why he is waiting. Strategically, that will be a better time to bring down the government.

Kennedy? Kennedy is a political rookie, hardly fit to run the country...
Everyone has to start somewhere. He will make a fine Minister in Dion's next government!

lwarmonger
28 Feb 08,, 10:14
As someone who knows jack all about Canadian politics Flower, I have yet to hear anything persuasive. A little advice, cut down on the political sloganeering such as: "Now those are Liberal results that you can take to the Bank!" Here that is only going to piss people off.

T_igger_cs_30
28 Feb 08,, 12:14
As someone who knows jack all about Canadian politics Flower, I have yet to hear anything persuasive. A little advice, cut down on the political sloganeering such as: "Now those are Liberal results that you can take to the Bank!" Here that is only going to piss people off.

:biggrin: You dont think Flower is ......................Dion do you ? trying a new tack to garnish a little support :biggrin: ........I mean Liberals are well known for being back door specialists:biggrin:

lwarmonger
28 Feb 08,, 12:34
:biggrin: You dont think Flower is ......................Dion do you ? trying a new tack to garnish a little support :biggrin: ........I mean Liberals are well known for being back door specialists:biggrin:

Now that is comittment to getting votes... I might even vote for such a politician. Someone who takes the time to go to a forum full of people who disagree with him and try to win them over.... and that with most of us not even being Canadian citizens mind you!

That would be truly impressive. But if that is the case here, it is kind of bungled by the subterfuge.

jame$thegreat
28 Feb 08,, 22:31
How many posts would it take to end this thread if the subject were American politics...:rolleyes:

Flower
28 Feb 08,, 23:26
Continuing with our list of reasons

Reason # 8

The Liberal Party are committed to maintaining environmental policy which keeps the air we breathe clean, the water we drink, pure, and our environment generally very pristine, especially compared to places like Hong Kong which has poor air quality by comparison.

The Liberals signed the Kyoto protocol while being Canada's government and then forced Harper to meet the targets by passing a law with the help of the NDP and Bloc so that firm and set emmission reduction targets need to be met.

In fact, recently Dion said "one of the greatest threats to humanity is climate change, but unfortunately, the government killed Bill C-30, the Clean Air Act".

Now this very clearly shows that Harper's government doesn't care about clean air or the environment and that Stephane is a much better environmental crusader than Stephen Harper!

dalem
29 Feb 08,, 02:43
Continuing with our list of reasons

Reason # 8

The Liberal Party are committed to maintaining environmental policy which keeps the air we breathe clean, the water we drink, pure, and our environment generally very pristine, especially compared to places like Hong Kong which has poor air quality by comparison.



That's totally gay.

-dale

jame$thegreat
29 Feb 08,, 03:15
Continuing with our list of reasons

Reason # 8

The Liberal Party are committed to maintaining environmental policy which keeps the air we breathe clean, the water we drink, pure, and our environment generally very pristine, especially compared to places like Hong Kong which has poor air quality by comparison.

The Liberals signed the Kyoto protocol while being Canada's government and then forced Harper to meet the targets by passing a law with the help of the NDP and Bloc so that firm and set emmission reduction targets need to be met.

In fact, recently Dion said "one of the greatest threats to humanity is climate change, but unfortunately, the government killed Bill C-30, the Clean Air Act".

Now this very clearly shows that Harper's government doesn't care about clean air or the environment and that Stephane is a much better environmental crusader than Stephen Harper!


Who cares about the environment?

Canmoore
29 Feb 08,, 03:23
The whole country went into recession, not just Ontario.

Also, federally, the Conservatives were in power in 1991 when Rae was elected Ontario Premier. Who do you think bears more responsibility for the national recession? The provincial NDP, or the federal Conservatives?

Whichever answer you choose, the Liberals had no hand in it because at the time they were in opposition both in Ontario and federally!

The country was slipping into recession yes, however Ontario was devastated by Rae's policy of trying to spend his way out of the recession. Even the NDP friendly unions were pissed off!!

Oh, and the Federal Government does not run provincial economies.



Yes, he was absent from Canada - because he was teaching at Harvard University. Are you going to hold that against him? Is everybody who is talented enough to teach at Harvard ineligible to come back to Canada and seek public office, or do you complain only because he is Liberal and not Conservative?

Did you even read what I wrote about Ignatief?? He was absent from Canadian politics for nearly a decade, than all of a sudden reapears and wants to run the country! Than opens up a can of worms in Quebec!! I do not hold it against him for teaching at harvard...whoopi, I really couldnt give a rats ass

...what I care about is a political leader who dedicates his professional life to Canadian politics, not just parts of his professional life when he feels like it.



He has more federal cabinet experience than anyone in the current cabinet! So he is timing his move when to bring down the Harper government? So what? You said it yourself, there is an anticipated downturn in the economy coming up. I can see why he is waiting. Strategically, that will be a better time to bring down the government.

HAHAHA he is timing his move??? He is to chicken **** to go into an election because he is not a gambler.. he plays it safe. He even said so after the liberals were routed in Quebec..

To be a leader you must take risks and gamble, and stand up for what you believe. How can you take this man seriously when he does not back up his words? Do you honestly want a man who talks the walk, but does not walk that talk? to decide the future course of this country?


Everyone has to start somewhere. He will make a fine Minister in Dion's next government!

That's fine and dandy, but he needs to prove himself first, before he can run for the PM.

lwarmonger
29 Feb 08,, 05:17
Continuing with our list of reasons

Reason # 8

The Liberal Party are committed to maintaining environmental policy which keeps the air we breathe clean, the water we drink, pure, and our environment generally very pristine, especially compared to places like Hong Kong which has poor air quality by comparison.

The Liberals signed the Kyoto protocol while being Canada's government and then forced Harper to meet the targets by passing a law with the help of the NDP and Bloc so that firm and set emmission reduction targets need to be met.

In fact, recently Dion said "one of the greatest threats to humanity is climate change, but unfortunately, the government killed Bill C-30, the Clean Air Act".

Now this very clearly shows that Harper's government doesn't care about clean air or the environment and that Stephane is a much better environmental crusader than Stephen Harper!


That would be a strong reason not to vote for these people. If they care more about some unproven abstract like global warming than the well being of their own people.

Flower
02 Mar 08,, 04:31
Okay

Continuing our exciting list of ten good reasons to vote Liberal at the next election. Here is

Reason #7

The Liberals defeated separatism by passing the Clarity Act. Stephane Dion himself helped with that legislation and it dealt a death blow to the Bloc and Quebecois, so bad in fact that they have not even recovered still to this day!


As a result, Canada will remain united forever, thanks to the Liberals.

ZFBoxcar
02 Mar 08,, 05:52
Dion did do a good job campaigning against the separatists with his open letters to Bouchard. However, this "death blow" to the Bloc statement is a joke...who has the vast majority of Quebec's ridings in Parliament...and which party was it that infuriated even federalist Quebecers into voting for the Bloc in the last election? As well, Chretien was caught with his pants down in the 1995 referendum and did nothing to help federalism. Still, Dion did do a good job at the time.

Your Reason #7 is a double-edged sword that can work for or against the Liberals.

Canmoore
02 Mar 08,, 23:56
Why was Flower banished??

There are not enough Liberal perspectives on this board.. yes, I and many other members do not always agree with them...well never really..

But, Why banish them? Flower did not make any rude comments, insult any other member, he is not saying anything that the Liberal Government isn't already saying...so why ban him/her??

I really like the WAB community, but how can we take ourselves seriously, when we ban any liberal who comes to enter into a debate??

Unless he sent an offensive PM to a member, than I see no reasoning for banning Flower.

Officer of Engineers
03 Mar 08,, 00:16
A sockpuppet living in Australia.

Canmoore
03 Mar 08,, 00:24
A sockpuppet living in Australia.

ahhhh, ok.

Bluesman
03 Mar 08,, 00:41
Kinda felt that way. I know I say that in retrospect, but he always smelled like he was just here to throw stinkbombs.

Canmoore
03 Mar 08,, 00:46
Kinda felt that way. I know I say that in retrospect, but he always smelled like he was just here to throw stinkbombs.

Yeah..he was flirting that line as a troll...but on these boards any Lefty is going to sound like a troll lol

T_igger_cs_30
03 Mar 08,, 01:52
Yeah..he was flirting that line as a troll...but on these boards any Lefty is going to sound like a troll lol

Watchya mean sound like :biggrin:

RightofReply
03 Mar 08,, 04:51
Why was Flower banished??
Because Officer-Of-Engineers is a power tripper who could not argue against the logic of my arguments supporting the Liberal Party of Canada, and hence he resorted to the only avenue he had to combat my views, abuse of moderation power.


There are not enough Liberal perspectives on this board.
Obviously because moderators like Officer of Engineers do not believe in freedom of expression if people express political views contrary to their own.


Flower did not make any rude comments, insult any other member, he is not saying anything that the Liberal Government isn't already saying...so why ban him/her?
Probably because he lacked a genuine reason, but at the end of the day I suggest you ask him to elaborate on 'sockpuppet', whatever that means.


I really like the WAB community, but how can we take ourselves seriously, when we ban any liberal who comes to enter into a debate?
Ask Ironduke or Officer of Engineers, both of whom are awfully quite at present.


Unless he sent an offensive PM to a member, than I see no reasoning for banning Flower.
I have complied with each and every rule that was presented to me when signing up for an account on WAB. I did not send rude PM's to anybody or break any other official rule. The only rule I appear to have broken is advocating the virtues of the Liberal Party of Canada on a board which doesn't want to hear anything of the sort.


A sockpuppet living in Australia.
Firstly, Officer (if you even are a real Officer in the Canadian Armed Forces - somehow I doubt you are because you don't strike me as a University educated individual) please show me the 'rule' that says a poster must post in his country of Citizenship.

I was born in Kitchener, Ontario -am a proud Canadian citizen - and am also a graduate of the University of Waterloo. I am currently on a 3 month holiday visiting my girlfriend, who is Australian, in Brisbane. She doesn't have a computer, so when she is at work I log onto the net from the Brisbane Public Library.

Once again officer of Engineers, please show me the WAB rule I have broken. I am very interested in seeing what you conjure up.

Lastly, to ZFBoxCar, Canmoore, and Bandwagon, thank you for providing intelligent commentary and analysis on my views. I hope I was able to reciprocate at least on some occassions. Its been a pleasure conversing with you 3. However, I won't be visiting this forum again unless I am unbanned. As I truely believe the Liberal Party offers the best future for Canada, I think its unlikely that I will be unbanned.

Best,

Flower

Officer of Engineers
03 Mar 08,, 05:11
Sorry, bud, it wasn't I nor Ironduke who banned your Flower sockpuppet but I will reban this sockpuppet. As to the reason, look up the term sockpuppet.

University of Waterloo, eh? Says a hell of a lot. And a little advice, son, I graduated long before you were borned, I don't have to impress you puppies any longer.

Parihaka
03 Mar 08,, 05:27
I have complied with each and every rule that was presented to me when signing up for an account on WAB. I did not send rude PM's to anybody or break any other official rule. The only rule I appear to have broken is advocating the virtues of the Liberal Party of Canada on a board which doesn't want to hear anything of the sort.

Apart of course from also being
CyberPredator
Flower
Galaxy
Ocram
LightBeam
Cluster
Gumshoe-Mystery
Horizon
Patrida
and probably the granddaddy of sockpuppets Kingkobra as well.
Or did the rule

4) Miscellaneous:

* 1. multiple registrations by the same person are prohibited, if you wish to change your username, contact an administrator
pass you by?

But thanks for the new IP my little Aussie chum.

Parihaka
03 Mar 08,, 05:58
I am currently on a 3 month holiday visiting my girlfriend, who is Australian, in Brisbane. She doesn't have a computer, so when she is at work I log onto the net from the Brisbane Public Library.

Funnily enough, when I checked with the Brisbane public library, they denied using IP masking software.;)
Assclown

Canmoore
04 Mar 08,, 03:22
That will be the last time I question a mod's decision to ban someone..

T_igger_cs_30
04 Mar 08,, 04:35
here in Alberta as at 21:35 hrs

Projected results

PC 71

Lib 9 (yes 9 that is nine)

NDP 2

WAP 1

Real close race going on very very exciting :biggrin:

T_igger_cs_30
04 Mar 08,, 04:39
3 cheers for the mods

hip hip.............. hooray
hip hip ............. hooray
hip hip ............. hooray

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

TopHatter
04 Mar 08,, 05:01
That will be the last time I question a mod's decision to ban someone..

That is wise ;)

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/member-introductions/2232-forum-guidelines-revised-2-15-07-a.html

smilingassassin
04 Mar 08,, 05:11
here in Alberta as at 21:35 hrs

Projected results

PC 71

Lib 9 (yes 9 that is nine)

NDP 2

WAP 1

Real close race going on very very exciting :biggrin:

Gee I thought the Liberals were winning the national poles? I'd say those "national" poles are more regional in nature.....

Now if only BC would come to its sences and vote similar.

T_igger_cs_30
04 Mar 08,, 05:16
Gee I thought the Liberals were winning the national poles? I'd say those "national" poles are more regional in nature.....

Now if only BC would come to its sences and vote similar.

The Alberta Liberals just like the Federal Liberals have nothing to offer, I am not a fan of any party having such a majority, however the PC's are all we have its that simple.

T_igger_cs_30
04 Mar 08,, 13:19
CANADIANS

Bruce Allan is on the 2010 Olympic Committee and new Canadians (specifically Hindi's/ Indian's) want him fired for his recent comments outlined below

'Subject: Our National Anthem

I am sorry, but after hearing they want to sing the National Anthem in Hindi - enough is enough. Nowhere or at no other time in our nation's history, did they sing it in Italian, Japanese, Polish, Irish (Celtic), German, Portuguese, Greek, or any other language because of immigration. It was written in English, adapted into co-founding French, and should be sung word for word the way it was written.

The news broadcasts even gave the Hindi version translation which was not even close to our National Anthem.

I am no t sorry if this offends anyone, this is MY COUNTRY - IF IT IS YOUR COUNTRY SPEAK UP ---- please pass this along


I am not against immigration -- just come through like everyone else. Get a sponsor; have a place to lay your head; have a job; pay your taxes, live by the rules AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE as all other immigrants have in the past -- and LONG LIVE CANADA!'

Like Mr Allen I am not against immigration, I AM AN IMMIGRANT MYSELF just remember to immagrate is a choice, respect the country, people and there laws of the country of your choice........and above all say thank you for being allowed to start a life in that Country............

smilingassassin
04 Mar 08,, 16:19
The national anthem is in English and French for a reason, pure and simple.

Canmoore
04 Mar 08,, 22:21
Good job PC's in Alberta!!

And congrats Bruce Allan! The national anthem should never be sung in another language.. You are coming to Canada, so sing it in the official tongues of this land, or do not sing it at all

...or better yet, if your attitude is to come to this land and change it than do not even come at all!!

Old-Pro
13 Mar 08,, 03:19
Good job PC's in Alberta!!

And congrats Bruce Allan! The national anthem should never be sung in another language.. You are coming to Canada, so sing it in the official tongues of this land, or do not sing it at all

...or better yet, if your attitude is to come to this land and change it than do not even come at all!!

Don't mention liberals in this forum for the love of God!!!!
And certainly don't mention socialism!!!
Many see it as meaning "lucifer".
Mention liberals and many see flowers and hippies and peace and that wont do for gun toting nationalists.
At least it seems that way!
Doesn't it folks.
I don't reckon many at this forum have John lennon CD's in their collections!!
he he he

TopHatter
13 Mar 08,, 03:39
Don't mention liberals in this forum for the love of God!!!!

Why do you say that? You sound like you've been here before.

Oh wait, you have been.

Get lost dickhead.

smilingassassin
13 Mar 08,, 04:30
Good job PC's in Alberta!!

And congrats Bruce Allan! The national anthem should never be sung in another language.. You are coming to Canada, so sing it in the official tongues of this land, or do not sing it at all

...or better yet, if your attitude is to come to this land and change it than do not even come at all!!

I'm not opposed to changing Canada, but if that change means erasing our own culture and surplanting another in its place, forget about it.