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  • Why the Liberals Deserve to Win!

    Well, as it appears I am one of the few Liberals on this forum, I feel it is my duty to give the public at least 10 good reasons to vote Liberal in 2008 (yes, there will probably be an election this year). One reason a day to keep our fans coming back for more, although sub-reasons and commentary will flow from the main reason.

    Reason #10

    The Liberals have a broader base of talent than the Conservatives or any other opposition party.

    We have Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Dion, and Kennedy. That doesn't even include the numerous former Cabinet Ministers and Pierre Trudeau's son who will contest the next election.

    When in power the Liberals more evenly shared power and responsibility. With Harper, he calls all the shots. There was even a Cabinet Minister of Asian decent who resigned because he could not be an effective minister in the Harper government because Harper wanted to do everything and not share.

    Basically, its a team approach with the Liberals and a one man approach with the Conservatives.

    Also, when Chretien and Martin were in power, there was a position for the Deputy Prime Minister. Harper nullified this position because he wants all the power for himself, even when he is abroad on government business.

    Now, ask yourself, who do the Conservatives have who can compare to the impressive list aforementioned above? If Harper dies of a heart attack tomorrow who else who is fluent in both England and French who can even lead the Conservatives?

  • #2
    I see one reason labelled as ten, not ten reasons... and if I were more familiar with Canadian politics quite probably one highly debatable reason.

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    • #3
      Given you have all that "amazing" talent...why do you have such an inept bumbling fool as a leader? your amazing talent sure has good taste and judgement dont you think .
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Flower View Post
        When in power the Liberals more evenly shared power and responsibility. With Harper, he calls all the shots. There was even a Cabinet Minister of Asian decent who resigned because he could not be an effective minister in the Harper government because Harper wanted to do everything and not share.
        WHAT?

        Kings Trudeau, Chretien, and Martin ring any bell?

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        • #5
          Hello Flower. How was your trip to Zion. When your travel agency booked you out of Woodstock did they tell you anything at all about a return "trip". Welcome back to Earth. OH....My...Gaaaaaaaaaawd. Whats next, peace in our time!

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          • #6
            Liberals Are Good Economic Managers

            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            WHAT?

            Kings Trudeau, Chretien, and Martin ring any bell?
            Kings and Trudeau are before my time, so I cannot comment there. But in relation to Chretien and Martin, both of them had much bigger cabinets than Stephen Harper, and so I think it can be said that power was more broadly shared within the Liberal governments and more concentrated with with Harper government on that basis.

            But I digress. Back to 10 good reasons to vote Liberal next election.

            Reason #9


            The Liberal governments did an amazing job as the country's economic managers. So good in fact, that the previous Reform Party tried taking credit for their results by claiming they told the governing Liberal party what to do whilst they were in opposition.

            Lets look at the results: -

            Paul Martin slayed the deficit;
            Taxes were slashed drastically; and
            Over 15% of the national debt, which peaked at around $600 Billion was paid off leaving a balance of closer to $500 Billion when Harper took over in 2005.

            Now those are Liberal results that you can take to the Bank!
            Last edited by Flower; 27 Feb 08,, 03:43.

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            • #7
              You'd HAVE to be a Liberal to think that anyone "deserves" to win anything.

              -dale

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dalem View Post
                You'd HAVE to be a Liberal to think that anyone "deserves" to win anything.

                -dale

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Flower View Post
                  Kings and Trudeau are before my time, so I cannot comment there.
                  It is kind of disingenuous to accuse Harper when you don't know Liberals own history.

                  Originally posted by Flower View Post
                  But in relation to Chretien and Martin, both of them had much bigger cabinets than Stephen Harper,
                  And how many of them were Ministers without Portollios?

                  If you accuse people of being kings, then you should at least read up on Liberal's own history. How many people have Martin, Chretien, and Trudeau told to shut up or else?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    It is kind of disingenuous to accuse Harper when you don't know Liberals own history.
                    You do not need to have a degree in history or understand every facet of Canada's 140 year history to be proud of the accomplishments of the Liberal Party. I was about 18 when Chretien first won office, defeating the incredibly inept Kim Campbell, and doing Canada its biggest favour ever in the process. This was where my interest in politics began.
                    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                    And how many of them were Ministers without Portollios?
                    There was at least one if I recall, and I think (but an not quite 100%) that the role of a Minister Without Portfolio was to fill in for Ministers when they had to attend overseas functions. Basically, as stand by Ministers - to provide continuous good governance to Canadians.
                    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                    If you accuse people of being kings, then you should at least read up on Liberal's own history. How many people have Martin, Chretien, and Trudeau told to shut up or else?
                    I don't know. But what I do remember is Chretien making a public spectacle out of a senator who lived in Mexico and collected his salary as a Canadian Senator. This Senator was a Liberal, and Chretien wasn't afraid to make his life hell because he wasn't pulling his wieght and serving the publics interest. That showed leadership. Where has Harper done likewise in dressing down one of his own?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Flower View Post
                      I don't know
                      That says it all. You are in no position to tell us what we lived through.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Flower View Post
                        The Liberals have a broader base of talent than the Conservatives or any other opposition party.

                        We have Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Dion, and Kennedy. That doesn't even include the numerous former Cabinet Ministers and Pierre Trudeau's son who will contest the next election.
                        BAHAHAHA!

                        oh lord.. are you kidding me??

                        Bob Rae? The man who once led the socialist NDP party in Ontario, destroyed the provincial economy and sent that province into its worse recession since the Great Depression???

                        Ignatieff? Ok, he is the only Liberal who I can support. However, he wasn't even in Canada for the past what? decade? Then he struts back into Canada thinking he knows it all... then opens up old wounds with his remarks about Quebec being a nation??

                        Quebec sovereignty is quiet right now, and fading away.. Will a reckless Ignatieff destroy all that we accomplished and set off another time bomb in Quebec???

                        Dion? Good lord man, give your head a shake! He has had chance after chance to bring down the "evil" conservatives, yet he is to chicken **** to gamble, so he doesn't.. instead he whips his party to abstain, walk out, or just goes along with Harper... He is no leader.

                        Kennedy? Kennedy is a political rookie, hardly fit to run the country...

                        Yup, the Liberals are just bursting with PM caliber material....geez!!
                        Last edited by Canmoore; 28 Feb 08,, 04:37.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Canmoore View Post
                          Bob Rae? The man who once led the socialist NDP party in Ontario, destroyed the provincial economy and sent that province into its worse recession since the Great Depression???
                          The whole country went into recession, not just Ontario.

                          Also, federally, the Conservatives were in power in 1991 when Rae was elected Ontario Premier. Who do you think bears more responsibility for the national recession? The provincial NDP, or the federal Conservatives?

                          Whichever answer you choose, the Liberals had no hand in it because at the time they were in opposition both in Ontario and federally!


                          Originally posted by Canmoore View Post
                          Ignatieff? Ok, he is the only Liberal who I can support. However, he wasn't even in Canada for the past what? decade?
                          Yes, he was absent from Canada - because he was teaching at Harvard University. Are you going to hold that against him? Is everybody who is talented enough to teach at Harvard ineligible to come back to Canada and seek public office, or do you complain only because he is Liberal and not Conservative?

                          Originally posted by Canmoore View Post
                          Dion? Good lord man, give your head a shake! He has had chance after chance to bring down the "evil" conservatives, yet he is to chicken **** to gamble, so he doesn't.
                          He has more federal cabinet experience than anyone in the current cabinet! So he is timing his move when to bring down the Harper government? So what? You said it yourself, there is an anticipated downturn in the economy coming up. I can see why he is waiting. Strategically, that will be a better time to bring down the government.
                          Originally posted by Canmoore
                          Kennedy? Kennedy is a political rookie, hardly fit to run the country...
                          Everyone has to start somewhere. He will make a fine Minister in Dion's next government!
                          Last edited by Flower; 28 Feb 08,, 07:59.

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                          • #14
                            As someone who knows jack all about Canadian politics Flower, I have yet to hear anything persuasive. A little advice, cut down on the political sloganeering such as: "Now those are Liberal results that you can take to the Bank!" Here that is only going to piss people off.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lwarmonger View Post
                              As someone who knows jack all about Canadian politics Flower, I have yet to hear anything persuasive. A little advice, cut down on the political sloganeering such as: "Now those are Liberal results that you can take to the Bank!" Here that is only going to piss people off.
                              You dont think Flower is ......................Dion do you ? trying a new tack to garnish a little support ........I mean Liberals are well known for being back door specialists
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