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Canmoore
07 Feb 08,, 01:56
Confidence vote on Afghan mission expected for March (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/06/harper-afghanistan.html)

Interesting.. either this vote passes, and the government stands and the current mission continues past 2009. Or the Government will fall resulting in a Federal Election, and Canada may pull out of combat operations in Afghanistan in 2009.

Of course... the Liberals list there demands...

CTV.ca | Dion will seek 'amendments' to Afghan motion (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080206/afghan_motion_080206/20080206?hub=TopStories)


Then again, the conservatives may push for a confidence vote over Bill C-2. A bill tackling Violent Crime Acts, which consists of five bills dealing with violent crimes, dangerous offenders, and raises the age of sexual consent to 16 from the current age of 14.

CTV.ca | Tories threaten election over crime bill (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080206/crime_bill_080206/20080206?hub=TopStories)

I think its just sick that the opposition is opposing this bill...just sick.

Exarecr
07 Feb 08,, 14:11
Please, no more reminders on how "third world" this country has become. When I see that idiot Dion trying to be understood in English, which ultimately makes him look and sound stupid and slow, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt Forrest Gump was his party's mentor. Dion and his sheep argue the mission simply because it's the opposite of not supporting it. The tactical and moral aspects of the mission mean nothing.Never mind it's a U.N. backed mission. Never mind the social and economic changes of the mission. If absolutely every-thing was being done perfectly it would still be a bad mission because the other party supports it,and again, no matter how stupid the truth might make him look, or how much progress is being made,the Liberals can never support the mission. Taliban Jack and his socialist party are busy inventing new terminology for what they claim will be peace talks with the Taliban. Rumour has it they are so sure of their "happy circle of talk", they won't have to levitate to prove they they aren't full of ship.(can I say ****)? Harper has done nothing to convince Canadians of the importance of this mission because his eyes are focused on anything that reflects his image and makes him look "stately and important". Pathetic.

T_igger_cs_30
07 Feb 08,, 14:49
I honestly do not believe the Liberals gambit is going to work this time, they look and sound so foolish, and as for opposing the crime bill, well as Canmoore stated, that is just plain sick

Officer of Engineers
07 Feb 08,, 15:26
I can't see the Liberals killing the government on the Afghan issue. It's just not big enough of an issue. We don't have protests marching out in the streets. We have people lining up giving their respects, even in Quebec, especially in Quebec.

I expect the budget to be the election rallying call instead.

crooks
07 Feb 08,, 16:47
If an election was held now though, wouldn't the Conservatives still (at the very least) have a minority goverment?

The Liberals are lifeless, NDP will never be truly mainstream, obviously ditto for BQ essentially a regionalist party in a federal parliament - what does Harper have to lose, there doesn't seem to be a credible threat, would it not be worth the risk to aim for an overall majority?

T_igger_cs_30
07 Feb 08,, 19:14
If an election was held now though, wouldn't the Conservatives still (at the very least) have a minority goverment?

The Liberals are lifeless, NDP will never be truly mainstream, obviously ditto for BQ essentially a regionalist party in a federal parliament - what does Harper have to lose, there doesn't seem to be a credible threat, would it not be worth the risk to aim for an overall majority?

I agree Crooks, at worst another minority Govt, at best an increased majority, I dont see it as a big deal really, except if its another minority some confidence in Canada from other countries maybe effected.

Officer of Engineers
07 Feb 08,, 19:27
What has become apparent is that we are now a prime AQ target. One single attack would cow the Canadian population into abandoning the mission.

T_igger_cs_30
07 Feb 08,, 19:54
What has become apparent is that we are now a prime AQ target. One single attack would cow the Canadian population into abandoning the mission.

that has been the case for quite awhile now Sir, given the bang up job the boys have been doing over there................lets hope the Canadian public will not falter.

Officer of Engineers
07 Feb 08,, 20:07
I know but AQ usually time these things during an election and given the timing of these (Parliament debate on this), now is the time.

T_igger_cs_30
07 Feb 08,, 21:47
O yes I hear you Sir, and the Canadian homeland not being used to it and all that,....well I hope it continues and they dont have to get used to it...........do you honestly believe they would go that way IF attacked? and not become more resilient about ending AQ?

Officer of Engineers
07 Feb 08,, 22:44
That would depend entirely on the leadership of this country ... and I find it lacking.

TopHatter
07 Feb 08,, 23:48
So...help me out here...if the Canadian government falls, the United States can then legally annex the 12 provinces and territories, no? :confused:

(I swear, if anybody mentions Celine Dion....)

Officer of Engineers
08 Feb 08,, 02:00
10 provinces and 3 territories

And tickets are on sale now

Céline Dion (http://www.celinedion.com/celinedion/english/whatsgoinon_tourdates.cgi)

TopHatter
08 Feb 08,, 02:39
10 provinces and 3 territories

No, 9 and 3. Québec ain't invited. ;)

Bluesman
08 Feb 08,, 02:54
No, 9 and 3. Québec ain't invited. ;)

Dam' right.

Officer of Engineers
08 Feb 08,, 02:57
You mean to tell me that you would take the Quebec Nordiques but won't take the Canadiens?

TopHatter
08 Feb 08,, 03:42
You mean to tell me that you would take the Quebec Nordiques but won't take the Canadiens?

Those sound suspiciously like organized sports teams of some sort...:confused:

Officer of Engineers
08 Feb 08,, 04:43
If you can call wearing body armour and carrying weapons a sport.

Ironduke
08 Feb 08,, 05:55
Those sound suspiciously like organized sports teams of some sort...:confused:
Nordiques moved to Denver in 95 and were renamed the Colorado Avalanche.

But yeah... Canada would be more than welcome to join the US. Just so we can be bigger than Russia.

brokensickle
08 Feb 08,, 08:15
What has become apparent is that we are now a prime AQ target. One single attack would cow the Canadian population into abandoning the mission.



If you are not Muslim you are an 'Infidel'. If you are an 'Infidel' you are an AQ target.

It's just a matter of time.



Ivan

Officer of Engineers
08 Feb 08,, 14:21
They have to catch us taking a crap with our pants around our legs, otherwise, they'll get pulverized.

Canmoore
09 Feb 08,, 17:17
So more than likely, Canada will have a Federal election this upcoming spring. Unless the Liberals sit on there hands through three consecutive confidence votes...

Doing so however, would annihilate Dion's government. He has sat on his hands through previous confidence votes because he is to afraid to take a chance at an election. But abstaining through 3 consecutive confidence votes?

If Canadians are not in an election come spring, than Dion is no leader, and a new leader must be found for the Liberal Party.
By not replacing Dion in such a situation, would delegate the Liberal party to join the ranks of the NDP. Nothing but an annoyance, with no real hope of forming a federal government.

troung
09 Feb 08,, 23:57
If you are not Muslim you are an 'Infidel'. If you are an 'Infidel' you are an AQ target.

And the Iraqis, Afghans, Indonesians, Pakistanis and other Muslims they murder?

Bluesman
10 Feb 08,, 01:44
And the Iraqis, Afghans, Indonesians, Pakistanis and other Muslims they murder?

To a radical Muslim, apostates are actually WORSE than infidels, and get NO mercy, no chance to 'correct' themselves. That's how they justify what they do to their own.

Canmoore
12 Feb 08,, 22:15
The liberals walked out of the house of Commons to protest the Crime Bill...

This is just sick.. Apparantly the Liberals think that adults can have sex with 14 year olds. And that repeat offenders should not be labelled dangerous criminals... I am at a loss of words over this..

Liberals walk out of confidence vote on crime bill (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/12/crime-bill.html)

T_igger_cs_30
12 Feb 08,, 22:25
The liberals walked out of the house of Commons to protest the Crime Bill...

This is just sick.. Apparantly the Liberals think that adults can have sex with 14 year olds. And that repeat offenders should not be labelled dangerous criminals... I am at a loss of words over this..

Liberals walk out of confidence vote on crime bill (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/12/crime-bill.html)

I agree with you Canmoore, it just shows politicions are purely for there own ends, not just the liberals the NDP also walked out, even the BLOQ are not so stupid.

Repatriated Canuck
13 Feb 08,, 03:01
Oh ****, how do I sign up to vote as an Expat?!?!?

I don't really like the Conservatives but I'll not vote for anyone who undermines the mission or think it's okay to nail 14 year olds. One question; would it mean that someone who is 16 with a 15 year old gf/bf and the have sex the older would be a rapist?

"We do have Charter rights and one of them is to be silent, but you can't be silent if you have to, in fact, prove reverse onus," said Carstairs.

That is in the article, the bill needs to be ammended. I have the right to remain silent.........

While I support locking up dangerous people and pedo's I can't agree with the bill as is.

Carstairs said she also wants to hear from social workers about what effect raising the sexual age of consent from 16 to 14 would have on young people living on the streets. She said she is concerned that young prostitutes may be driven underground if the age of consent is raised and that would leave them more vulnerable to exploitation. It could also keep them away from social workers who could help them escape their plight.

Growing up in a rough area has given me a bit of insight there and I have to agree with that statement. I don't really know what to think on this portion of the proposed bill after reading over it.

Canmoore
13 Feb 08,, 21:42
The bleeding hearts are at it as usual. Canada has one of the lowest age of consents in the developed world.

I remember a few years back, of a 30 something man who was nabbed at Macdonald-Cartier International Airport in Ottawa by Canadian police. The man had been speaking to police pretending to be a 14 year old girl on the internet.

The two arranged to have a "meeting" in Ottawa. You see, in America the age of consent is 16... so sickos like this look to Canada to have sex with children...****ing sick

And the left of course finds every other excuse not to raise the age of consent... what if it was there daughter who was molested?

I bet that they would change there tune very quickly...than again, it is the left we are talking about....

Repatriated Canuck
14 Feb 08,, 00:42
Age of consent being raised is a good thing as long as does not effect or send kids to jail or give them a record for a 16 and 15 year old couple as an example.

Sending gun crooks to jail is a good thing.

Taking away your right to remain silent is a bad thing.

The bill needs to be ammended. As it is now I would not approve it.

smilingassassin
14 Feb 08,, 00:56
Oh please, the Liberals will never sit in government as long as Dion is in charge, he's a bumbling fool with no morals, no heart and even less charm than Harper.

Canmoore
14 Feb 08,, 03:11
Oh please, the Liberals will never sit in government as long as Dion is in charge, he's a bumbling fool with no morals, no heart and even less charm than Harper.

Now that is really saying something haha

Mobbme
14 Feb 08,, 03:50
We Canadians are more passive. If we oppose the war, we won't take to the streets and protest, we'd rather sit at home and yell at the t.v. One thing about us canucks is that we stick together till the end. There is NO WAY we're pulling out of Afghanistan, ain't happening. If the Tories allow that to happen "democratically" then they will NOT be in power next election.

Our system is too strong for AQ to plan any sort of an attack on our soil. Ya'll remember the AQ wannabies in Mississauga? We caught them with ammonium nitrate fertilizer, which usually goes UNDETECTED in MOST countries. I thank our police for a great job in preventing something that was supposedly going to be more disasterous than the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

An attack on our soil won't cause us to cave in and abort the mission, it will bring us closer like it did to New Yorkers and we will COMMIT to the ongoing mission and FORCE our government to take a more active role in WOT. We may be hockey fans, but when it comes to our freedom and life we'll drop the gloves and kick some serious butt.

For the Americans who dream of extending their terrority by taking over ours, IT'S NOT HAPPENING. :cool:

Canmoore
14 Feb 08,, 04:17
For the Americans who dream of extending their terrority by taking over ours, IT'S NOT HAPPENING. :cool:

...um ok

Repatriated Canuck
14 Feb 08,, 04:20
Oh please, the Liberals will never sit in government as long as Dion is in charge, he's a bumbling fool with no morals, no heart and even less charm than Harper.

Wow is he really that bad? I've been out of Canada for just over four years so I've no clue. Can you give me an example or a link so I can have a read?

Thanks buddy.

Canmoore
14 Feb 08,, 04:33
Wow is he really that bad? I've been out of Canada for just over four years so I've no clue. Can you give me an example or a link so I can have a read?

Thanks buddy.

Stephen Dion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Dion)

Dion is a little "nerdy" looking guy with glasses. Extremely intelligent, however, he lacks personality, humor and charisma. He was a cabinet minister that you never heard of during the Chretien years...He is a "veteran" of politics, yet..you never heard of him (unless you live in Quebec..clarity act ring a bell?) before he entered the Liberal leadership race.

The newspapers draw him wearing a polar bear head on his head, and wearing something that resembles the green giant's green spandex...(a jab at his "greener than greeness" when it comes to the environment)....oh and he has a small yappy dog named "koyoto".

The Conservatives ran attack ad after attack ad, even though there was no election in site....just slamming Dion's lack of leadership abilities....and Dion took it like a champ and did nothing.

The conservative have had about 3 or so confidence votes..in all of them. Dion whipped the liberal party into abstaining..... or in the latest vote, walking out of the commons. Under Dion, the Liberals are basically sitting on there hands instead of doing what a proper official opposition does...oppose!!

During the Quebec Provincial Elections, Dion's Liberals lost 3 key seats...including a long time Liberal holdout in Quebec. Quebecers are choosing the Conservatives for the party of Federalism in that province!! ...hell must have frozen over!!

Yet, even after all this...Dion still refuses to do whats best for his party and step down. And let a more capable person lead the party. I would like to see Ignatief lead the party. I agree with him on some points...and I think that he is a leader, not a spineless clod like Dion.

Mobbme
14 Feb 08,, 04:45
...um ok


Tophatter wrote: So...help me out here...if the Canadian government falls, the United States can then legally annex the 12 provinces and territories, no?

Ironduke wrote: Canada would be more than welcome to join the US. Just so we can be bigger than Russia.


I repeat: For the Americans who dream of extending their terrority by taking over ours, IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

Canmoore
14 Feb 08,, 04:53
some good political cartoons of Dion

ZFBoxcar
14 Feb 08,, 05:16
I repeat: For the Americans who dream of extending their terrority by taking over ours, IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

They were joking.

Repatriated Canuck
14 Feb 08,, 05:17
Canmoore, awesome buddy thanks a lot!

Mobbme
14 Feb 08,, 13:46
They were joking.


Ye, I realize today because I'm sober now.

Canmoore
16 Feb 08,, 22:01
CTV.ca | Senate will pass Tory crime bill: top Grit senator (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080216/libs_elxn_080216/20080216?hub=Canada)

So the senate will pass the Crime bill by March 1st... this is good.

Lets see if Dion will sit on his hands for the Afghanistan, and Budget vote.

brokensickle
17 Feb 08,, 07:53
And the Iraqis, Afghans, Indonesians, Pakistanis and other Muslims they murder?

They can't get along with each other either. My mistake.

A loving bunch.:rolleyes: Everybody just wants them to move in an take over their peaceful nations.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:




Ivan

brokensickle
17 Feb 08,, 08:15
Tophatter wrote: So...help me out here...if the Canadian government falls, the United States can then legally annex the 12 provinces and territories, no?

Ironduke wrote: Canada would be more than welcome to join the US. Just so we can be bigger than Russia.


I repeat: For the Americans who dream of extending their terrority by taking over ours, IT'S NOT HAPPENING.


I personally think Canada is a wonderful place, But I would not want to live there. No American's I know personally wants to take over Canada. All that being said, President Bush and his cronies in crime in Mexico and Canada have been hatching a plan to merge the three countries into one.
It's a liberal idea as well, which in my thinking proves the liberalizing of the Republican Has taken place by the Bush administration. And I do not know Mr. Bush personally, but he is no conservative...Not by a long shot.

If Canada and America, meaning the voting populace of each country agreed to a merger I might consider the possibility as long as we use the American Constitution to live by. If not...nothing doin'.

I Love you Kanuck's:)) ;)


Sincerely,
Ivan

brokensickle
17 Feb 08,, 08:20
some good political cartoons of Dion

I paticularly like the one where he is sticking the flower in the barrel of the thug's gun.:))



Ivan

Canmoore
17 Feb 08,, 17:17
I paticularly like the one where he is sticking the flower in the barrel of the thug's gun.:))



Ivan

lol yeah its a good one.

Canmoore
17 Feb 08,, 21:25
Jean Chretien is now advising Dion to trigger an election...sad is it not?

CTV.ca | Chretien advises Dion to trigger election: analyst (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080217/qp_elxn_080217/20080217?hub=TopStories)

smilingassassin
18 Feb 08,, 14:59
Jean Chretien is Canada's Bill Clinton, he still doesn't realise he's no longer prime minister and is still trying to hog the spotlight.

Canmoore
19 Feb 08,, 03:20
Jean Chretien is Canada's Bill Clinton, he still doesn't realise he's no longer prime minister and is still trying to hog the spotlight.

sooo true lol

TopHatter
19 Feb 08,, 04:57
They were joking.

Oh really? ;)

We need breathing room!

Canmoore
26 Feb 08,, 23:37
CTV.ca | Dion says he won't trigger election over budget (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080226/budget_reax_080226/20080226?hub=TopStories)

Well.. three chances to knock the government down, and Dion did nothing each time..

The Liberals are fading into obscurity fast...to bad Harper will not get a chance to get a majority until 2010, the next federal election.. I if Dion allows that to happen, than Harpers Conservatives will be the only minority government in Canadian history to span the full four years of a term.

William Lyon Mackenzie King had the longest minority government in Canadian history elected in 1921 his government stood for 3 years and 326 days..just shy of the 4 year mark!!

He would win two more consecutive elections both resulting in minority governments as well! His second government elected in 1925 stood for 319 days. His third minority government elected in 1926 also nearly stood for the full 4 year tearm at 3 years and 317 days!!

Currently Harpers Minority Government has stood 2 years, 20 days.

ZFBoxcar
26 Feb 08,, 23:57
What do you think of the budget? Not much to it in my opinion, which is not really a bad thing, given the rapid spending increases of the last couple years. The Tax Free Savings Account is interesting, but it seems like one of those things that is only going to really cost a future government, not the current one. The crown corporation to handle Employment Insurance is good too, but will also probably not cut payroll taxes until the next government, considering how important the EI surplus (47 billion dollars!) is to government revenue.

I don't really have too much to complain about, the only thing I was hoping would be there that wasn't was an enrichment of the Working Income Tax Benefit (to Americans on the board WITB is basically the same thing as your EITC - but we were behind you guys and only created ours last year).

Canmoore
28 Feb 08,, 03:44
Apparently the government is predicting a slow down in the economy in the near future, so I think that a quiet budget that encourages people to save is good. I remember hearing a stat, that the majority of Canadians are in debt and spend outside of there means rather than saving.. Thats fine when the economy is booming, but the cards are reading a slow down.. so encouraging people to save may be for the better interest of everyone.

Flower
28 Feb 08,, 06:37
Apparently the government is predicting a slow down in the economy in the near future,
This is not unexpected. As Stephane Dion recently said, this slowdown is the result of the Harper governments mismanagement of the economy!

ZFBoxcar
28 Feb 08,, 13:14
This is not unexpected. As Stephane Dion recently said, this slowdown is the result of the Harper governments mismanagement of the economy!

Um, no. This is a result of the high Canadian dollar and the slowdown in the US. If you blame monetary policy (which has been reasonable) that is the responsibility of the Bank of Canada, which is independent of the government. There hasn't really been any fiscal policy that would lead to a slowdown, in fact, people accused the GST cuts (which I don't approve of) of being too much stimulus, back when stimulus was said to be bad. Name one Harper policy that would qualify as slowing down the economy. I am not really a fan of this government, but when you get your knowledge about economics from Dion, who doesn't speak unless it is to bash the current government, I have to assume you don't know what you're talking about. You are hurting your party's image.

Flower
28 Feb 08,, 23:33
Um, no. This is a result of the high Canadian dollar and the slowdown in the US. If you blame monetary policy (which has been reasonable) that is the responsibility of the Bank of Canada, which is independent of the government. There hasn't really been any fiscal policy that would lead to a slowdown, in fact, people accused the GST cuts (which I don't approve of) of being too much stimulus, back when stimulus was said to be bad. Name one Harper policy that would qualify as slowing down the economy. I am not really a fan of this government, but when you get your knowledge about economics from Dion, who doesn't speak unless it is to bash the current government, I have to assume you don't know what you're talking about. You are hurting your party's image.
Please read this (http://www.liberal.ca/story_13598_e.aspx) and you will see for yourself!

Canmoore
29 Feb 08,, 03:31
Please read this (http://www.liberal.ca/story_13598_e.aspx) and you will see for yourself!

Um.. your link was to liberal propaganda about how they will better run the economy... There is not even one sentence that highlights a Conservative policy that is to blame for a slowdown..

Flower
01 Mar 08,, 12:19
Um.. your link was to liberal propaganda about how they will better run the economy... There is not even one sentence that highlights a Conservative policy that is to blame for a slowdown..
That is because the Liberal Party does not use negative political advertising!

glyn
01 Mar 08,, 12:36
That is because the Liberal Party does not use negative political advertising!

I think you must be very young to have so much altruism that you believe such political statements. Probably we were all like that in our youth. :redface: Age and experience turns us all into cynics.

ZFBoxcar
01 Mar 08,, 13:31
That is because the Liberal Party does not use negative political advertising!

Right. Well, even assuming thats true (and it isn't: remember the troops in the cities ad?) then you are admitting you have no proof whatsoever that the Conservatives are responsible for the slowdown of the economy.

Flower
02 Mar 08,, 04:25
Right. Well, even assuming thats true (and it isn't: remember the troops in the cities ad?) then you are admitting you have no proof whatsoever that the Conservatives are responsible for the slowdown of the economy.
No, No! I am still searching for my proof that the Conservative's bad economic policy is resulting in the economic slowdown. Also, I don't know for sure if the troops on our streets ad ever made it to televisions. I thought it got cut early, but there was a big deal about it anyway.

ZFBoxcar
02 Mar 08,, 04:30
Look, the only way the federal government can cause a slow down is by either drastically slashing the budget or significantly raising taxes or by placing severe restrictions or a combination of all three. The Conservatives didn't do that. They DID place fiscal a fiscal straitjacket on the government through the GST cuts, which may make it harder to deal with the current situation, but that is not the same thing as causing the slowdown in the first place.