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antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 20:43
One of the major issues of the Hellenic (Greek) and Turkish foreign policy is the Cyprus Problem.
Cyprus is the only country in EU under occupation (a major part of it) for the last 33 years.
This is happening since 1974 when Turkey invaded to the island and captures the northern part of it.
Since then Turkey had 20 condemning resolutions from the UN which demand the drawing of the Turkish Armed Forces from the REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS.
Until now Turkey is keeping its forces to the island.
This is a major issue not only for Greece Cyprus and Turkey but for the Europe as well itís an issue that justice must prevail at the end.
I would like to have your opinion on this thank you.

dave lukins
10 Jan 08,, 21:18
Hello Antiochos I agree, they should leave and return Cyprus to the Cypriots.

Γεια Αντιοχο. Συμφωνω απολυτα μαζι σας οτι η τουρκικη Στρατιωτικη πρεπει να αφησουμε την Κυπρο αμεσως:)

antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 21:27
I am very honored because you choose to express your opinion in my language and for your point of view on this issue.

Truth need allies.

supergreek
10 Jan 08,, 21:31
yes defenetly,the invasion caused many greek cypriots to lose their property. Turkey is now selling off this property to foreigners. This is unjust,ilegal and must be stoped.

Turkey is the only country in the world not to recognise cyprus and turkey is the only country to rcognise northern cyprus.

Turkish troops leave cyprus, cyprus unites with greece.:biggrin:

antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 21:33
Gia Sou Re File Se Eyxaristo Pou Irthes Mazi Ston Agona E?

supergreek
10 Jan 08,, 21:46
:biggrin:
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To onoma sou enai andreas, kai to onoma mou enai andreas:biggrin:

antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 21:48
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antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 21:53
synellinas kai synonomatos ti kalytero ap ayto?

Khagan
10 Jan 08,, 21:58
This problem could be solved with ease if Greek side did not insist on status quo ante bellum.

antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 22:14
We can argue that the Greek Cypriot population was up to 85% on the island ante bellum, and yours lower than 18%.
The island has been always influenced by Greece thousand years before Ottomans.
This realty is giving to us many rights, rights you don't have and ever will.

Khagan
10 Jan 08,, 22:19
So do you want a solution or not?

antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 22:26
A just and long living solution yes.
A solution which stands on the principals of the international law and justice and not on the "right" of the one that happens to be the stronger.

antiochos
10 Jan 08,, 22:32
You have to stop consider the dialog between Greece and Turkey as a dialog between a lamb and a wolf because its not.

supergreek
10 Jan 08,, 22:41
synellinas kai synonomatos ti kalytero ap ayto?
To onoma andreas enai oraio onama. simeni γεναίοσ sta elinika.

kalinixta phile

crooks
10 Jan 08,, 23:20
No one question's that they should, but it's doubtful that they will in the near future, Turkey seems fairly determined to hold on.


Cyprus is the only country in EU under occupation (a major part of it)

Not strictly correct, I can list several other examples, it's not unique.

Khagan
10 Jan 08,, 23:23
Do I need to remind you that Turkish army intervened after Greek junta in Athens tried to take over the whole island?

Khagan
10 Jan 08,, 23:34
No, and if nobody comes up with an agreeable solution, Turkey should simply annex Northern Cyprus.

neyzen
10 Jan 08,, 23:54
Who will protect Turkish Cypriots if Turkish Army goes out of Cyprus?

Khan_Han
11 Jan 08,, 00:53
One of the major issues of the Hellenic (Greek) and Turkish foreign policy is the Cyprus Problem.
Cyprus is the only country in EU under occupation (a major part of it) for the last 33 years.
This is happening since 1974 when Turkey invaded to the island and captures the northern part of it.
Since then Turkey had 20 condemning resolutions from the UN which demand the drawing of the Turkish Armed Forces from the REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS.
Until now Turkey is keeping its forces to the island.
This is a major issue not only for Greece Cyprus and Turkey but for the Europe as well it’s an issue that justice must prevail at the end.
I would like to have your opinion on this thank you.

Gibraltar has been under British occupation since, 4th August 1704. There are major sovereignty issues between Spain and the UK over Gibraltar. Has this prevented either from admission into the EU? NO!

The Cyprus issue is simply being used as a cover to rejecting Turkey because it has a major Islamic population. It's as simple as that!

By the way, Turkey is not an occupying force. It had the right to "intervene" and "Protect the Turkish minority". It's intervention was sanctioned by the triparte treaty between Turkey, UK and Cyprus. I draw your attention to the Treaty of Guarantee.


____

Cyprus Treaty of Guarantee

Nicosia, 16 August 1960

The Republic of Cyprus on one part, and Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland of the other part.

I. Considering that the recognition and the maintenance of the independence, territorial integrity, and security of the Republic of Cyprus, as established and regulated by the Basic Articles of its Constitution, are in their common interest,

II. Desiring to co-operate to ensure respect for the state of affairs created by that Constitution, Have agreed as follows:



Article I
The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity, and security, as well as respect for its Constitution.

It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. It accordingly declares prohibited any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other State or partition of the Island.



Article II
Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom, taking note of the undertakings of the Republic of Cyprus set out in Article I of the present Treaty, recognise and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity, and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs established by the Basic Articles of its Constitution.

Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom likewise undertake to prohibit, so far as concern them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the Island.



Article III
The Republic of Cyprus, Greece, and Turkey undertake to respect the integrity of the areas retained under United Kingdom sovereignty at the time of the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus, and guarantee the use and enjoyment by the United Kingdom of the rights secured to it by the Republic of Cyprus in accordance with the Treaty concerning the Establishment of the Republic of Cyprus signed at Nicosia on today's date.

In witness whereof, the undersigned have signed the present Treaty.

Done at Nicosia, this sixteenth day of August, in English and French, both texts being equally authoritative.

For the Republic of Cyprus: O KYPROU MAKARIOS and FAZIL K‹«‹K

For Greece: C. CHRISTOPOULOS

For Turkey: V. T‹REL

For the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland: HUGH FOOT

Ironduke
11 Jan 08,, 00:54
antiochos, what's the deal with the facebook links?

supergreek
11 Jan 08,, 07:49
Gibrators different they were given the choice if they wanted to maintain under brittish control and they voted yes, the greek cypriots if they were given the choice would vote for the turkish troops to leave.

Ucar
11 Jan 08,, 08:13
supergreek, since you ask for our ideas about the settlement of the Cyprus dispute, why don't you provide us with your own narrative of the near term history of Cyprus. Please tell us what happened on the island before the Turkish operations, in your own words. Agreeing on history, and how things happened on the island, will give all of a common ground to agree on before discussing further.

and this is an English language board, please try to keep the posts in English; this has been reminded to you and antiochos before.

Khan_Han
11 Jan 08,, 13:12
Gibrators different they were given the choice if they wanted to maintain under brittish control and they voted yes, the greek cypriots if they were given the choice would vote for the turkish troops to leave.

How many years latter were Gibratorians given the right to vote about the continuince or discontinuince of British colonial rule? Research this...

If and only when the Greek Cypriot Administration is ready to accomodate the needs of the Turkish Cypriots, it is only then that there can be a permanent solution to the Cyprus problem. Do not forget the Greek Cypriot Side voted NO for reunification. Why? Because they still possess the enosis dream.

supergreek
11 Jan 08,, 17:14
who remembers solomos solomou?

Solomos Solomou (Greek: Σολωμός Σολωμού) (1970 - 14 August 1996), was a Greek Cypriot refugee who died after being shot three times, while trying to climb the pole in order to remove a Turkish flag from its mast, in the aftermath of the funeral of his cousin Tassos Isaac, who was also killed by Grey Wolves a few days earlier

Following the funeral of Tassos Isaac who was beaten to death by a Turkish mob in the UN buffer zone three days earlier, a group of unarmed Greek Cypriots re-entered the area where Isaac was murdered in order to demonstrate against his unlawful killing.

Among these demonstrators was Solomou who was a second cousin of Isaac. At around 2:20 pm, Solomou distanced himself from the rest of the demonstrators and walked towards a Turkish military post in Dheryneia. With a cigarette in his mouth, Solomou climbed the flag pole with the intention of removing the Turkish flag but was shot by Turkish snipers three times; in the mouth, in the neck and in the stomach. The whole scene was taped by bystanding journalists and was seen on live television. Solomou's funeral was held on the 16th of August in Paralimni, among thousands of people and an official Cypriot day of mourning.

A few days after the killings of Isaac and Solomou, the then Prime Minister of Greece, Costas Simitis came to Cyprus and together with the then President of Cyprus, Glafcos Clerides visited the homes of the families of the two cousins.

On her part, the then Turkish Foreign Minister, Tansu Ciller who also visited Cyprus (the occupied north) a few days after Isaac and Solomou were killed, addressed a rally saying that Turks would "break the hands" of anyone who insulted their flag.

source-wiki

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Solomou_shot_by_Kenan_Akin_and_Erdan_Emanet.jpg

antiochos
11 Jan 08,, 22:25
Who will protect Turkish Cypriots if Turkish Army goes out of Cyprus?
Buy the way where are the Greeks of Constantinople of Imvros and Tenedos i am not asking for the Greek populations of the rest Asia Minor and Smyrna cause i know where they are ( + + + + + + + + + + + ).
Don t be afraid about the Turkish Cypriots most of them are members of AKEL the Greek Cypriot Communist Party.

Khan_Han
12 Jan 08,, 00:30
who remembers solomos solomou?

Solomos Solomou (Greek: Σολωμός Σολωμού) (1970 - 14 August 1996), was a Greek Cypriot refugee who died after being shot three times, while trying to climb the pole in order to remove a Turkish flag from its mast, in the aftermath of the funeral of his cousin Tassos Isaac, who was also killed by Grey Wolves a few days earlier

Following the funeral of Tassos Isaac who was beaten to death by a Turkish mob in the UN buffer zone three days earlier, a group of unarmed Greek Cypriots re-entered the area where Isaac was murdered in order to demonstrate against his unlawful killing.

Among these demonstrators was Solomou who was a second cousin of Isaac. At around 2:20 pm, Solomou distanced himself from the rest of the demonstrators and walked towards a Turkish military post in Dheryneia. With a cigarette in his mouth, Solomou climbed the flag pole with the intention of removing the Turkish flag but was shot by Turkish snipers three times; in the mouth, in the neck and in the stomach. The whole scene was taped by bystanding journalists and was seen on live television. Solomou's funeral was held on the 16th of August in Paralimni, among thousands of people and an official Cypriot day of mourning.

A few days after the killings of Isaac and Solomou, the then Prime Minister of Greece, Costas Simitis came to Cyprus and together with the then President of Cyprus, Glafcos Clerides visited the homes of the families of the two cousins.

On her part, the then Turkish Foreign Minister, Tansu Ciller who also visited Cyprus (the occupied north) a few days after Isaac and Solomou were killed, addressed a rally saying that Turks would "break the hands" of anyone who insulted their flag.

source-wiki

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Solomou_shot_by_Kenan_Akin_and_Erdan_Emanet.jpg

Supergreek, what is your point? Or are you once again trying to portray the Turks as barbaric and cruel creatures?

Any sovereign nation would have done the same in such situation. (1) You are violating the sovereignty of another country (2) You are trying to remove the flag of that country, in a bid to degrade it.

Well, this is simply aggression. An act of war. The United Nations was infomed that Turkey would not allow any protestors onto its sovereign soil and that the UN should secure the buffer zone. The UN failed and Turkey took matters into its own hand. Yes, its very unfortunate that someone ended up dead, but this was predictable. Turkey, was not going let itself be belittled in front of the world media. The border should have been secured by the UN.

What does the removal of a flag signify?

Silent Hunter
12 Jan 08,, 13:40
No one question's that they should, but it's doubtful that they will in the near future, Turkey seems fairly determined to hold on.



Not strictly correct, I can list several other examples, it's not unique.

Let's hear them. I suspect you're going to say Ireland.

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 15:24
The Missing Cypriots (http://www.missing-cy.org/)

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 15:37
The Hellenic Genocide: Quotes from historical documents and related Photos (http://www.hellenicgenocide.org/quotes/)

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 15:38
The Turkish Crime of our Century (http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/index.e.html)

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 15:40
Turkish Crimes against Humanity (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/7758/)

glyn
12 Jan 08,, 15:52
This thread is generating much more heat than light, and I wish a moderator would close it.:mad:

Speedy
12 Jan 08,, 15:55
Why not just have the Turkish and Greek armies line up and face off, winner takes all.

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 15:58
Supergreek, what is your point? Or are you once again trying to portray the Turks as barbaric and cruel creatures?

Any sovereign nation would have done the same in such situation. (1) You are violating the sovereignty of another country (2) You are trying to remove the flag of that country, in a bid to degrade it.

Well, this is simply aggression. An act of war. The United Nations was infomed that Turkey would not allow any protestors onto its sovereign soil and that the UN should secure the buffer zone. The UN failed and Turkey took matters into its own hand. Yes, its very unfortunate that someone ended up dead, but this was predictable. Turkey, was not going let itself be belittled in front of the world media. The border should have been secured by the UN.

What does the removal of a flag signify?
This is not another Country is their country their land their houses their properties not yours you haven't any right on their land you are invaders and nothing else.

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 15:59
Why not just have the Turkish and Greek armies line up and face off, winner takes all.
I like that LOL!!!

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 16:05
"What does the removal of a flag signify?"

Signifies your removal from the land of Cyprus.

antiochos
12 Jan 08,, 16:09
This thread is generating much more heat than light, and I wish a moderator would close it.:mad:
NO THANK YOU !

Parihaka
12 Jan 08,, 23:08
This thread is generating much more heat than light, and I wish a moderator would close it.:mad:

Agreed.

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