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Adux
11 Dec 07,, 19:18
A Judge Warns: France Should Prepare for Civil War

From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Wed, 2007-12-05 11:21
A quote from the French judge, Jean de Maillard (Vice-president of the Superior Court of Orléans, and a professor at the Institute of Political Science in Paris), 28 November 2007 [here is an English translation]

When two schools, a library, a police station, a garage and several other buildings on a list already forgotten are set on fire, not to mention dozens of vehicles each day, we are used to it. It has become almost a routine.

However, the second night of Villiers-le-Bel marks an escalation that the media and the government would probably prefer to hush up, but which may be the start of a new stage: the use of firearms. In truth, the surprise is not that the rioters began to use them, but first, that they hadn't done it sooner [...] and second, that they are still confining themselves to hunting rifles and lead shot. The suburbs however have been armed for a long time with caches of quality war weapons, lethal weapons, against which the bullet-proof vests will be useless.

In other words the situation is explosive in both meanings of the word. It seems that from one riot to the next the techniques harden, the methods become more professional and the police and gendarmes will soon have to confront, if they have not already, experts in urban guerilla warfare [...]

I am convinced that up until now we have been lucky that the thugs and future murderers in the suburbs have not yet dared to use their fire power. I hope that the public authorities will become aware of the imminence of calamity and especially that they will finally seek solutions. I would not like to be in their shoes, for the margin of maneuverability, if there is one, will be very narrow. Yes, the perpetrators must be mercilessly punished. But repression, in the long term, solves nothing.

And people must stop dreaming, those on the Left and the others: neighborhood police are not a panacea either. You cannot graft an ethnic police force ["police communautaire"] on a society that is this sick and torn apart, in which the members are in open rebellion against society. Police are a means, not a solution. Educators will not be useful either: you cannot cure cancer with a placebo. To shower the caids [a type of governorship, originally found in North Africa and Moorish Spain] with subsidies to buy armed peace will be the chosen way: it will provide only a short respite. Is there another solution? I don't know, and I am very happy not to be in government.



A Judge Warns: France Should Prepare for Civil War | The Brussels Journal (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2740)

dalem
11 Dec 07,, 19:36
Told ya. :)

-dale

Adux
11 Dec 07,, 19:50
Told ya. :)

-dale

I prescribe to your views regarding this matter.
Multi-cultarism as beautiful as it may sound is just not workable. We cannot have people who believe in lashes for rapes in the same country as people who love wearing short skirts.

omon
11 Dec 07,, 20:02
who is rioting and burning cars? and who exactly are those thugs and future murderers?

Adux
11 Dec 07,, 20:07
who is rioting and burning cars? and who exactly are those thugs and future murderers?

Most of riots are caused by immigrant muslims population of france

dalem
11 Dec 07,, 21:37
who is rioting and burning cars? and who exactly are those thugs and future murderers?

Peace-loving Muslim "youth".

-dale

gunnut
11 Dec 07,, 21:49
Peace-loving Muslim "youth".

-dale

I thought they're refered to as "French youths."


Multiculturalism can work if all participants respect each other and especially the host country's culture. It will not work if everyone demands special treatment and the host cowers in fear of being called racist if it doesn't comply.

dave lukins
11 Dec 07,, 22:57
Multiculturalism can work if all participants respect each other and especially the host country's culture. It will not work if everyone demands special treatment and the host cowers in fear of being called racist if it doesn't comply.

And there in one lays the problem. There are too many people demanding to be treated differently to the host Country. They also refuse to integrate and except the hosts' way of life. This problem has been going on for hundreds of years, in all lands, and is not going to change overnight. As more and more people move to other lands this problem will only deepen.

omon
11 Dec 07,, 23:12
no good deed goes unpunished, now the natives got to pay for their hospitality, i wonder how much more they can take before fremch government desides to do something about it.

crooks
12 Dec 07,, 00:04
Ah civil unrest - les banlieues are a godforsaken construct, I drove through a few in Paris during the summer, wouldn't advise it to anyone, the sheer anger and rampant poverty was unreal, I couldn't actually believe I was in France.

Sarkozy has his work cut out for him, it would seem - whether he's up to the task will be an interesting thing to watch.

dave lukins
12 Dec 07,, 00:07
The French usually have a no nonsense policy and tend to "deal" with her undesirables pretty smartish. French to jail..non French to jail then out of the Country. I have no doubt there are plans afoot to weed out the troublemakers who where involved in the latest incident. Le Pen must be nodding his head and saying "I told you so"

Feanor
12 Dec 07,, 01:03
And they put Milosevic on trial..... he was just trying to deal with the same problem!

Ray
12 Dec 07,, 04:54
The French must nip this in the bud with force.

Ray
12 Dec 07,, 04:54
And they put Milosevic on trial..... he was just trying to deal with the same problem!

Interesting, what?

But that is life!

gunnut
12 Dec 07,, 05:18
And they put Milosevic on trial..... he was just trying to deal with the same problem!

Can't pin that one on Bush...or can we? :confused:

smilingassassin
12 Dec 07,, 06:11
Can't pin that one on Bush...or can we? :confused: I'm sure someone will find a connection, no matter how weak or laughable.

Feanor
12 Dec 07,, 11:51
Can't pin that one on Bush...or can we? :confused:

Well if Clinton wasn't afraid of Republicans making his inaction look bad, he wouldn't have ............. see :biggrin: I can do it!

Dreadnought
12 Dec 07,, 15:50
France has been known to do in the past what is good for France. So IMO deportations of these people if they do not have justified/lawful cause to demonstrate would top the list. And each and every immigrant to France should sign declarations stating that if you choose to cause trouble such as this without first petitioning the Government for recognition of a lawful cause then you and family get deported back to your home within 24 hours. If they need the troops to do it then so be. France has never been known not to protect its right to do as she feels no matter who criticizes.

astralis
12 Dec 07,, 17:09
it wouldn't be half as bad of a problem if it wasn't for the fact that endemic socialism as well as prejudice against immigrants creates a situation by which you have a bunch of unemployed, discriminated against youths.

this is the LA riots on a grander level.

Dreadnought
12 Dec 07,, 18:06
it wouldn't be half as bad of a problem if it wasn't for the fact that endemic socialism as well as prejudice against immigrants creates a situation by which you have a bunch of unemployed, discriminated against youths.

this is the LA riots on a grander level.

That particular item may find France at fault for not having the forthought of being able to judge between economic and social growth more accurately.

Trooth
12 Dec 07,, 22:52
French civil war? That will be over pretty quickly as all sides rush to surrender first.

OK, someone had to say it. And it was me. hic.

gunnut
12 Dec 07,, 23:19
Well if Clinton wasn't afraid of Republicans making his inaction look bad, he wouldn't have ............. see :biggrin: I can do it!

That's kinda weak. You only dragged the Republicans in but not Bush or Darth Cheney.

Come on, you can do better. :)

gunnut
12 Dec 07,, 23:20
French civil war? That will be over pretty quickly as all sides rush to surrender first.

OK, someone had to say it. And it was me. hic.

Yeah it's been pretty tough on me trying to hold back all the French jokes.