Bush rape allegation?

[craigfarmer]

Bush rape allegation?

Democrats are being punished for President Clinton.

In 1992, Democrats thought they had inherited an incredible fortune: a southern politician who could attract the votes of mainstream America, while still being
progressive enough on numerous issues to deserve support...

Yet, as the true believers soon found, President Clinton's way was one of tactical brilliance, and policy capitulation...

Now over 4 years after his term has ended, can we admit, the best thing about President Clinton was that the people we don't like, actually hated him?

The legacy President Clinton left may have some positive aspects, but the major planks are not good:

1. A permanent minority party

2. lost credibility on moral issues

3. a lack of direction for the party and the country.

4. CREDIBLE RAPE ALLEGATION


The last one should have crossed a line.

Imagine if a middle-class, well-spoken woman accused President Bush of a brutal rape.

We excused it. The media. The Left.

To date, he still hasn't taken the opportunity to clear his reputation, and deny the specific allegations.

see the rest: http://www.newliberals.org
Craig Farmer

making the word "liberal" safe again.

[Bill]

"making the word "liberal" safe again"

Liberals should just stop lying to themselves and everyone else and call themselves what they really are.

Socialists.

[Lucien LaCroix]

I don't know that they lie about it. They either don't truly fathom that socialism is what they are trying to implement--or they don't care.

I'm not sure what is worse.

[Parihaka]

I'd REALLY like one of you guys to define Liberal and Socialist for me so I can understand better just what your going on about. To quote a character from the movie Princess Bride
"this word you keep saying, I don't think it means what I think you think it means?"

[Bill]

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/s1/socialis.asp

socialism click here to track this topic
Related: Political Science

general term for the political and economic theory that advocates a system of collective or government ownership and management of the means of production and distribution of goods. Because of the collective nature of socialism, it is to be contrasted to the doctrine of the sanctity of private property that characterizes capitalism . Where capitalism stresses competition and profit, socialism calls for cooperation and social service. In a broader sense, the term socialism is often used loosely to describe economic theories ranging from those that hold that only certain public utilities and natural resources should be owned by the state to those holding that the state should assume responsibility for all economic planning and direction. In the past 150 years there have been innumerable differing socialist programs. For this reason socialism as a doctrine is ill defined, although its main purpose, the establishment of cooperation in place of competition remains fixed.

I damned well know what the word means.

[ZFBoxcar]

Classical Liberalism is laissez-faire capitalism. The Conservatives of that time believed in maintaining old feudal structures and also believed in legislating morality. Classical Liberals can now be called libertarians, or small c conservatives. Modern liberals are socialists, although this connotation is mostly North American. There are parts of the world where liberalism still means liberalism. Marx once said that "liberals are useful idiots". He knew what he was talking about there. Socialists tend to jump on the liberal bandwagon to oppose the conservatives and then highjack the liberal movement into following their agenda.

[Parihaka]

those that hold that only certain public utilities and natural resources should be owned by the state .

this would be my understanding of socialism as it's my experience of it. I'm assuming your understanding of it relates more to total state control. Hence I don't damn it as such because I see it simply as a sometimes useful tool for economic management.

[Bill]

Socialism is never useful unless you are a lazy bastard that can't be bothered to do for yourself what others can do far less efficiently for you.

[Parihaka]

Classical Liberalism is laissez-faire capitalism.

Again, this is my interpretation of liberalism, (see post above for socialism) a tool in economic management, not an over-ruling ideology. The followers of Adam Smith are no more correct than the followers of Karl Marx as ideologues, only as proponents of economic management for any given instance.
so when i read

Liberals should just stop lying to themselves and everyone else and call themselves what they really are.
Socialists.

I get confused :raiseoneeybrowinscepticaldisbelief:
I now understand that the terms 'socialism' and 'liberalism' have taken on different meanings in the US from my own.

I damned well know what the word means.

I don't think it means what I think you think it means

[Bill]

Huh?

[Parihaka]

Huh?

I thought that you thought that what you thought socialism and Liberalism is, is not what you thought you thought they meant

[Bill]

I'm pretty sure that you know that you think that what i think is socialism isn't, but that at a practical level what i think is socialism is, and that you'd probably agree. ;)

LOL...

[Parihaka]

I'm pretty sure that you know that you think that what i think is socialism isn't, but that at a practical level what i think is socialism is, and that you'd probably agree. ;)

LOL...

[smilingassassin]

"making the word "liberal" safe again"

Liberals should just stop lying to themselves and everyone else and call themselves what they really are.

Socialists.

Ha ha! I like that, Snipes please come to Canada and help me kick ours out, its a big job so you'll have a steady job for some time!

[Bill]

Pffft, i could stay busy for a whole lifetime doing that here in Philly.