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    Hiroshima and Nagasaki

    by Ralph Raico
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki by Ralph Raico


    This excerpt from Ralph Raico's "Harry S. Truman: Advancing the Revolution" in John V. Denson, ed., Reassessing the Presidency: The Rise of the Executive State and the Decline of Freedom (Auburn, Alabama: Ludwig von Mises Institute, 2001), is reprinted with permission. The notes are numbered as they are because this is an excerpt.

    Read the whole article: "Harry S. Truman: Advancing the Revolution":
    Harry S. Truman: Advancing the Revolution by Ralph Raico


    The most spectacular episode of Truman’s presidency will never be forgotten, but will be forever linked to his name: the atomic bombings of Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, and of Nagasaki three days later. Probably around two hundred thousand persons were killed in the attacks and through radiation poisoning; the vast majority were civilians, including several thousand Korean workers. Twelve U.S. Navy fliers incarcerated in a Hiroshima jail were also among the dead.87

    Great controversy has always surrounded the bombings. One thing Truman insisted on from the start: The decision to use the bombs, and the responsibility it entailed, was his. Over the years, he gave different, and contradictory, grounds for his decision. Sometimes he implied that he had acted simply out of revenge. To a clergyman who criticized him, Truman responded, testily:

    "Nobody is more disturbed over the use of Atomic bombs than I am but I was greatly disturbed over the unwarranted attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor and their murder of our prisoners of war. The only language they seem to understand is the one we have been using to bombard them.88"

    Such reasoning will not impress anyone who fails to see how the brutality of the Japanese military could justify deadly retaliation against innocent men, women, and children. Truman doubtless was aware of this, so from time to time he advanced other pretexts. On August 9, 1945, he stated: "The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians."89

    This, however, is absurd. Pearl Harbor was a military base. Hiroshima was a city, inhabited by some three hundred thousand people, which contained military elements. In any case, since the harbor was mined and the U.S. Navy and Air Force were in control of the waters around Japan, whatever troops were stationed in Hiroshima had been effectively neutralized.

    On other occasions, Truman claimed that Hiroshima was bombed because it was an industrial center. But, as noted in the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, "all major factories in Hiroshima were on the periphery of the city – and escaped serious damage."90 The target was the center of the city. That Truman realized the kind of victims the bombs consumed is evident from his comment to his cabinet on August 10, explaining his reluctance to drop a third bomb: "The thought of wiping out another 100,000 people was too horrible," he said; he didn’t like the idea of killing "all those kids."91 Wiping out another one hundred thousand people . . . all those kids.

    Moreover, the notion that Hiroshima was a major military or industrial center is implausible on the face of it. The city had remained untouched through years of devastating air attacks on the Japanese home islands, and never figured in Bomber Command’s list of the 33 primary targets.92

    Thus, the rationale for the atomic bombings has come to rest on a single colossal fabrication, which has gained surprising currency: that they were necessary in order to save a half-million or more American lives. These, supposedly, are the lives that would have been lost in the planned invasion of Kyushu in December, then in the all-out invasion of Honshu the next year, if that was needed. But the worst-case scenario for a full-scale invasion of the Japanese home islands was forty-six thousand American lives lost.93 The ridiculously inflated figure of a half-million for the potential death toll – nearly twice the total of U.S. dead in all theaters in the Second World War – is now routinely repeated in high-school and college textbooks and bandied about by ignorant commentators. Unsurprisingly, the prize for sheer fatuousness on this score goes to President George H.W. Bush, who claimed in 1991 that dropping the bomb "spared millions of American lives."94

    Still, Truman’s multiple deceptions and self-deceptions are understandable, considering the horror he unleashed. It is equally understandable that the U.S. occupation authorities censored reports from the shattered cities and did not permit films and photographs of the thousands of corpses and the frightfully mutilated survivors to reach the public.95 Otherwise, Americans – and the rest of the world – might have drawn disturbing comparisons to scenes then coming to light from the Nazi concentration camps.

    The bombings were condemned as barbaric and unnecessary by high American military officers, including Eisenhower and MacArthur.96 The view of Admiral William D. Leahy, Truman’s own chief of staff, was typical:

    "the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. . . . My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.97"

    The political elite implicated in the atomic bombings feared a backlash that would aid and abet the rebirth of horrid prewar "isolationism." Apologias were rushed into print, lest public disgust at the sickening war crime result in erosion of enthusiasm for the globalist project.98 No need to worry. A sea-change had taken place in the attitudes of the American people. Then and ever after, all surveys have shown that the great majority supported Truman, believing that the bombs were required to end the war and save hundreds of thousands of American lives, or more likely, not really caring one way or the other.

    Those who may still be troubled by such a grisly exercise in cost-benefit analysis – innocent Japanese lives balanced against the lives of Allied servicemen – might reflect on the judgment of the Catholic philosopher G.E.M. Anscombe, who insisted on the supremacy of moral rules.99 When, in June 1956, Truman was awarded an honorary degree by her university, Oxford, Anscombe protested.100 Truman was a war criminal, she contended, for what is the difference between the U.S. government massacring civilians from the air, as at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the Nazis wiping out the inhabitants of some Czech or Polish village?

    Anscombe’s point is worth following up. Suppose that, when we invaded Germany in early 1945, our leaders had believed that executing all the inhabitants of Aachen, or Trier, or some other Rhineland city would finally break the will of the Germans and lead them to surrender. In this way, the war might have ended quickly, saving the lives of many Allied soldiers. Would that then have justified shooting tens of thousands of German civilians, including women and children? Yet how is that different from the atomic bombings?

    By early summer 1945, the Japanese fully realized that they were beaten. Why did they nonetheless fight on? As Anscombe wrote: "It was the insistence on unconditional surrender that was the root of all evil."101

    That mad formula was coined by Roosevelt at the Casablanca conference, and, with Churchill’s enthusiastic concurrence, it became the Allied shibboleth. After prolonging the war in Europe, it did its work in the Pacific. At the Potsdam conference, in July 1945, Truman issued a proclamation to the Japanese, threatening them with the "utter devastation" of their homeland unless they surrendered unconditionally. Among the Allied terms, to which "there are no alternatives," was that there be "eliminated for all time the authority and influence of those who have deceived and misled the people of Japan into embarking on world conquest [sic]." "Stern justice," the proclamation warned, "would be meted out to all war criminals."102

    To the Japanese, this meant that the emperor – regarded by them to be divine, the direct descendent of the goddess of the sun – would certainly be dethroned and probably put on trial as a war criminal and hanged, perhaps in front of his palace.103 It was not, in fact, the U.S. intention to dethrone or punish the emperor. But this implicit modification of unconditional surrender was never communicated to the Japanese. In the end, after Nagasaki, Washington acceded to the Japanese desire to keep the dynasty and even to retain Hirohito as emperor.

    For months before, Truman had been pressed to clarify the U.S. position by many high officials within the administration, and outside of it, as well. In May 1945, at the president’s request, Herbert Hoover prepared a memorandum stressing the urgent need to end the war as soon as possible. The Japanese should be informed that we would in no way interfere with the emperor or their chosen form of government. He even raised the possibility that, as part of the terms, Japan might be allowed to hold on to Formosa (Taiwan) and Korea. After meeting with Truman, Hoover dined with Taft and other Republican leaders, and outlined his proposals.104

    Establishment writers on World War II often like to deal in lurid speculations. For instance: if the United States had not entered the war, then Hitler would have "conquered the world" (a sad undervaluation of the Red Army, it would appear; moreover, wasn’t it Japan that was trying to "conquer the world"?) and killed untold millions. Now, applying conjectural history in this case: assume that the Pacific war had ended in the way wars customarily do – through negotiation of the terms of surrender. And assume the worst – that the Japanese had adamantly insisted on preserving part of their empire, say, Korea and Formosa, even Manchuria. In that event, it is quite possible that Japan would have been in a position to prevent the Communists from coming to power in China. And that could have meant that the thirty or forty million deaths now attributed to the Maoist regime would not have occurred.

    But even remaining within the limits of feasible diplomacy in 1945, it is clear that Truman in no way exhausted the possibilities of ending the war without recourse to the atomic bomb. The Japanese were not informed that they would be the victims of by far the most lethal weapon ever invented (one with "more than two thousand times the blast power of the British ‘Grand Slam,’ which is the largest bomb ever yet used in the history of warfare," as Truman boasted in his announcement of the Hiroshima attack). Nor were they told that the Soviet Union was set to declare war on Japan, an event that shocked some in Tokyo more than the bombings.105 Pleas by some of the scientists involved in the project to demonstrate the power of the bomb in some uninhabited or evacuated area were rebuffed. All that mattered was to formally preserve the unconditional surrender formula and save the servicemen’s lives that might have been lost in the effort to enforce it. Yet, as Major General J.F.C. Fuller, one of the century’s great military historians, wrote in connection with the atomic bombings:

    "Though to save life is laudable, it in no way justifies the employment of means which run counter to every precept of humanity and the customs of war. Should it do so, then, on the pretext of shortening a war and of saving lives, every imaginable atrocity can be justified.106"

    Isn’t this obviously true? And isn’t this the reason that rational and humane men, over generations, developed rules of warfare in the first place?

    While the mass media parroted the government line in praising the atomic incinerations, prominent conservatives denounced them as unspeakable war crimes. Felix Morley, constitutional scholar and one of the founders of Human Events, drew attention to the horror of Hiroshima, including the "thousands of children trapped in the thirty-three schools that were destroyed." He called on his compatriots to atone for what had been done in their name, and proposed that groups of Americans be sent to Hiroshima, as Germans were sent to witness what had been done in the Nazi camps. The Paulist priest, Father James Gillis, editor of The Catholic World and another stalwart of the Old Right, castigated the bombings as "the most powerful blow ever delivered against Christian civilization and the moral law." David Lawrence, conservative owner of U.S. News and World Report, continued to denounce them for years.107 The distinguished conservative philosopher Richard Weaver was revolted by

    "the spectacle of young boys fresh out of Kansas and Texas turning nonmilitary Dresden into a holocaust . . . pulverizing ancient shrines like Monte Cassino and Nuremberg, and bringing atomic annihilation to Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

    Weaver considered such atrocities as deeply "inimical to the foundations on which civilization is built."108

    Today, self-styled conservatives slander as "anti-American" anyone who is in the least troubled by Truman’s massacre of so many tens of thousands of Japanese innocents from the air. This shows as well as anything the difference between today’s "conservatives" and those who once deserved the name.

    Leo Szilard was the world-renowned physicist who drafted the original letter to Roosevelt that Einstein signed, instigating the Manhattan Project. In 1960, shortly before his death, Szilard stated another obvious truth:

    "If the Germans had dropped atomic bombs on cities instead of us, we would have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them.109"

    The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.

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    I am in no way sympathetic to Japan for this. They should simply had surrendered unconditionally, Hirohito is a war criminal and he should've been hanged in front of his palace, instead he was treated like a hero throughout the remainder of his life. If they really didn't surrender because of Hirohito then they got what they deserve for defending and worshipping a war criminal.
    Last edited by wkllaw; 06 Aug 07,, 19:52.
    Those who can't change become extinct.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by inna View Post
      Hiroshima and Nagasaki

      by Ralph Raico
      Hiroshima and Nagasaki by Ralph Raico

      And assume the worst – that the Japanese had adamantly insisted on preserving part of their empire, say, Korea and Formosa, even Manchuria. In that event, it is quite possible that Japan would have been in a position to prevent the Communists from coming to power in China. And that could have meant that the thirty or forty million deaths now attributed to the Maoist regime would not have occurred.



      The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.
      U tell me its better to have Japan continue to occupied Korean, and other countries, did you know how many atrocities taken place during the occupation of these countries? Maos mistake was the cultural revolution, great leap foward etc, which is the main cause of shortage of food that starve the population, but if japan continue to occupy china or korea, it will be even worst. Its like asking german nazi to continue occupied europe, which will eventually lead to the extermination of jews.

      The Japanese generals war crime was far worse than the bombing of those two city. they order the killing, raping, torturing, and experiment of millions asians, pows, and alike. here is just one of atrocity they did in china


      The Rape of Nanking

      Japanese rape and killing of women in Nanjing "warning pretty graphic"

      ""On December 16, 1937, the Japanese rounded up more than 50,000 people who were then murdered, in mass, at the foot of the Mufu Mountain. These unarmed Chinese men and women, were machine gunned, beheaded, bayonetted, or set on fire.

      According to some eye-witness accounts: "First, the Japanese doused the people with gasoline and then they opened fire on the crowd with machine guns. When the bullets hit their bodies, the gasoline caught fire. The refugees' burning bodies quivered from head to toe causing the whole scene to flicker from the light of the gasoline fires on their bodies. The Japanese soldiers stood by laughing hysterically." (Source: Nanjing Historical Archives, "A Record of the Miserable Conditions in Enemy Occupied Areas," Volume V).

      Japanese soldiers in fact made a game of of torturing and gang-raping women and children, and were encouraged by their officers to invent new and amusing ways of killing and torturing their captives. Murder, rape, and torture, including burning and the rape of children, were in fact believed to be a good way for bolstering the morale of their soldiers, and contests were held to see who could kill the most Chinese.

      Tens of thousands of Chinese women, including those in their 90s or as young as 3, were gang raped, tortured, and then murdered by stabbing, beheading, or being set on fire and burned alive. The most desirable and beautiful of Chinese women would often be taken captive and raped over several days by hundreds of Japanese soldiers, after which these women would be killed. High ranking Japanese officers encouraged their men to not just rape and kill these women, but to torture them, such as by cutting off breasts, or vaginas, or by disembowling these women. Cutting off breasts followed by a bayonett to the vagina, was thought to be great sport and yet another amusing way to boost the morale of the Japanese soldiers.

      "Every day, twenty-four hours a day, there was not one hour when an innocent woman was not being dragged off somewhere by a Japanese soldier" (Source: Dagong Daily).

      Japanese soldiers tore out the eyes of children. Babies were torn from their mother's arms, and shot, stabbed, clubbed, or dashed against the road or the sides of buildings. Pregnant women were cut open and their fetus's torn from their bodies. Within a few weeks there were so many bodies on the street that international agencies begged the Japanese authorities to allow them to bury and dispose of rotting corpses. The Japanese refused. The rotting corpses served a purpose: To terrify the Chinese

      Similar atrocities were in fact taking place throughout Asia. According to the International Military Tribunal of the Far East, the Japanese murdered 280,000 unarmed Chinese civilians in Nanking, alone. """
      Last edited by s002wjh; 06 Aug 07,, 20:18.

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      • #4
        The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.

        And Yamamoto wasnt a war criminal from the very onset of WWII? How much history about the war in the Pacific could you possibly know calling Truman a war criminal and not Yamamoto? **** em they deserved every dam bit and then some!
        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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        • #5
          If I am not mistaken, Hiroshima was the backup target.
          Sherman said war is hell, Bierce said war was God's way of teaching Americans geography. The aftermath of the two bombings has served as an object lesson to governments and populations both. Nuclear saber-rattling makes me want to live in my storm cellar.

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          • #6
            For the benefit of inna. Before you start posting on the forum, don't you think it would be polite to fill in your public profile and then go to the snazzily named Introductions thread and tell us about yourself? At the moment we know nothing at all about you. You could be a troll or a star debater - who's to tell?
            Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by inna View Post
              The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.
              War crime? Nahh. Besides - we warned 'em. They shoulda listened.

              -dale

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              • #8
                inna,

                The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.
                BS, from both an american and (militant) japanese standpoint.

                americans only need point out what the japanese did in korea, china, or southeast asia, or to their POWs.

                militant japanese only need to point out to the firebombing of tokyo.

                the difference was, as dalem pointed out, the crimes committed by the americans were responsive or forced in nature, while japan quite merrily planned, started, and encouraged war crimes from the very beginning.
                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                • #9
                  The A-bombing of the two cities was well calculated **** off to the Soviets, who acknowledged the fact that United States can and will take all steps no matter the cost. Stalin deeply feared America!!! Soviet lack of direct intervention in the Korean War is ultimately linked to that. The Soviet lack of intervention in Iran after WWII is also linked with that, and closely to the particular event of the arrival of USS Missouri in the eastern Mediterniean Sea (the ship on whose deck the Japanese surrendered).

                  As far as war criminal issue, it doesnt really matter. Another thing that doesnt matter it is the opinion of various group people from various nations whom depending on their level patriotism and their nation of origin will tend to make one genocide glorious, holy, beautifull and justified and while another genocide as "work of devil" and totally rude. Another thing that does matter is my own opinion ... to be fair. What does matter is to be completely and utterly fairness and unbiasness.

                  One can easilly draw parallal between the fire bombing of Tokyo and the Japanese massacres of Nanjing in the late 30s. Both were really meant to terrroize. Infact if the Japansese massacres in China and their killing frenzy was due to lack of control of the Japanese top-brass and the Princes (not that they really cared) over blood thirsty Japanese soldiers, one should really take a GOOD look at the complete and absolute control that the American military top-brass and the US civilian government had over the well-oiled American warmachine that triggered the fire bombing over Tokyo.

                  Its total war and all sides do that to ensure total victory. The victor can fill in the paper work about the allegations after they won the war. Who cares anyways.

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                  • #10
                    Another thing I found somewhat amusing is the following ....

                    Hamas is always critized for its using women and children as shield against Israeli attacks (or Israeli self-defense ... depending on another pov)

                    The Israeli ciritization is somewhat justified and rightly so I might add. It is bad and inefficient when a regular force has to do something dirty. It is bad for media.

                    That being said, one can take a look at the the German bombing of Coventry and the British unwillingless to protect its civilian centre because of secret that it might reveal to the Germans. Therefore, the British Governrment saw it fit to allow thousends to perish in order to protect the secret about Enigma. I am well aware that the choices that Sir Winston made was much more difficult that the one Hamas makes on daily basis, but nevertheless, if one does take step back and climb down from one's ivory tower and puts itself in the enemy's shoes, one can realise how far utter determination will take you.
                    Last edited by xerxes; 07 Aug 07,, 00:31.

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                    • #11
                      xerxes,

                      lack of control of the Japanese top-brass and the Princes (not that they really cared) over blood thirsty Japanese soldiers,
                      another myth.
                      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                      • #12
                        I've said it before, and I'll say it again: IMHO, the atomic bomb is the prime reason the cold war did not become hot, and probably saved Russia and/or Europe from annihilation.
                        I enjoy being wrong too much to change my mind.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ArmchairGeneral View Post
                          I've said it before, and I'll say it again: IMHO, the atomic bomb is the prime reason the cold war did not become hot, and probably saved Russia and/or Europe from annihilation.
                          I agree with you and believe that the atomic bomb may have also saved more Japanese from the American invasion.

                          But when I visited the Peace Park in Hiroshima, those pictures still shocked me. I hope that something like that will never happen again. I also really hope that the Japanese government could sincerely acknowledge the crimes of their army committed to their neighboring countries as well as the damage caused to their own people by their policy at that time.
                          I am here for exchanging opinions.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by astralis View Post
                            inna,



                            BS, from both an american and (militant) japanese standpoint.

                            americans only need point out what the japanese did in korea, china, or southeast asia, or to their POWs.

                            militant japanese only need to point out to the firebombing of tokyo.

                            the difference was, as dalem pointed out, the crimes committed by the americans were responsive or forced in nature, while japan quite merrily planned, started, and encouraged war crimes from the very beginning.
                            Tanget: there are only two reasons my grandmother will swear. Kim Jung Ill and the Japanese Occupation. There're museums in Korea that recreate the japanese prison camps - if you've never understood why so many in Asia hate the Japanese they're eye opening.

                            However, people change and some argue that the occupation was an essential part of Korea's modernization

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                              The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.
                              Truman signed off on the atomic bombing of two cities and the fire bombings of several others. In the context of the law of armed conflict as it existed in 1945 these were not criminal acts. Civilians in mixed targets were not off limits. Fire bombing, as a tactic was not illegal. In general, war crimes are those acts which are not justified by military necessity. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified by military necessity. Japan had refused to surrender. Japan had declared an intention to fight to the last man. Japan had inflicted massive casualties on allied troops at Okinawa and Iwo Jima indicating that fighting to the last man would result in tens of thousands of allied deaths. Under those circumstances, the bombings were justified by military necessity.

                              And Yamamoto wasnt a war criminal from the very onset of WWII?
                              Admiral Yamamoto authorized unrestricted submarine warfare, clearly a legal tactic even for an aggressor nation. Yamamoto authorized the attacks at Coral Sea and Midway, both well within the bounds of military necessity. Pearl Harbor was a different matter. That falls within the zone of waging a war of aggression in violation of treaties and promises. He would have been on safer legal ground had the Japanese broken relations with the US prior to December 7. A reasonable jury could have convicted him of waging a war of aggression on that issue. The treatment of POWs and interned civilians, if it could be proven that Yamamoto knew, might also have lead to conviction. However, Yamamoto was killed, honorably, in action. He was never charged and never had the opportunity to defend himself from charges. Suffice to say General Homa and others did get charged, were afforded the right to defend themselves and rightfully met the hangman's noose.

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