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Shadowsided
16 Jul 07,, 22:17
mac or pc well,theres a video for that kinda thing check this out,

mac or pc (http://www.macorpc.org/)

Now back to the question mac or pc i can't really decide but i can't decide what about you guys?

crooks
16 Jul 07,, 23:53
I hear nothing but good things about Macs, and nothing but bad things about PCs....yet my Dell desktop and HP notebook have never failed me at all, in any situation, and of course they feel comfy, I know windows so well.
When I was on my girlfriend's Macbook in college meanwhile, I found it a bizarre mix of oversimplicity and yet I had difficulty to comprehend (too many little faces and logos, would putting a word in be so hard?!).
That said, Macs put most PCs the shame design-wise.

gunnut
17 Jul 07,, 01:13
I can build my own PC.

I can't build a Mac.

PC for me.

Parihaka
17 Jul 07,, 01:42
PC or Mac for general use. Windows, while still bloatware seems stable enough now that I don't care.
Mac for attaching peripherals like routers as it has never failed me in doing it all itself, and MAc no contest for any graphic or video work

Parihaka
17 Jul 07,, 01:42
Oh and games on PC, just because there's lots more for them.

deadkenny
17 Jul 07,, 02:27
Depends what you need it for. Having said that, Mac's niche has really been reduced to some specialized graphics functions and 'designer' computers. I can easily build or upgrade a desktop PC (not quite as easy with a notebook). Mac is too 'proprietary' and expensive for what you're getting IMHO. Windows XP SP2 is reasonably reliable and stable and functions well with a reasonable amount of storage space and memory etc. I wouldn't touch Vista with 10 ft. RJ45 cable ATM. I'm sure it will be just fine, a couple service packs later when all of the 'problems' have been worked out by M$ and the 'typical' PC has increased tenfold in storage, memory and processing power.

YellowFever
17 Jul 07,, 05:15
Mac for work (I'm a graphic artist).

As Pari said, it kicks PC as far as graphics go but I prefer to use a PC at home since I can download a whole bunch of bootleg software to kick around and I really don't care if my PC gets wasted..... :biggrin:

Parihaka
17 Jul 07,, 05:17
Mac for work (I'm a graphic artist).

As Pari said, it kicks PC as far as graphics go but I prefer to use a PC at home since I can download a whole bunch of bootleg software to kick around and I really don't care if my PC gets wasted..... :biggrin:

That's it entirely. PC's are cheap and disposable.

JBG
17 Jul 07,, 09:57
I am forced to use an IBM PC with the latest office suite at work. Annoys the living h#ll out of me as my main use is Word and Word has gone downhill since 3.1.

When I wanted to get a home computer, mainly for internet but also used for graphics and music, that had to be idiot proof, the obvious choice was a 20" iMac, which I am using now. A 24" came out right after I bought the 20, of course! For internet etc, it is all over MS like a rash. Software - it came with what I wanted and it is regularly updated without charge. The actual engineering of the iMac is superb. Apart from anything, you take it out of the box, plug it in and it works straight away. A really nice bit of kit.

You can get a program called "Bootcamp" to use as a platform for any MS that you wish to use.

BUT there is still no Springsharp for iMacs. That is the sort of problem that you may have with Apple products.

Jonathan

dalem
17 Jul 07,, 17:31
In my opinion, PCs are still computers and always have been. Macs are appliances and always have been. Want a computer, buy a PC. Want an appliance, buy a Mac - they are both good.

-dale

Taurkon
17 Jul 07,, 18:55
I am in the IT industry, but have not used an apple for over 22 years (Apple IIe was my first personal computer).

I have a friend though who is "Mr. Geek" who has 15 or so computers networked together at home. His main computer is a Mac and he has windows emulation software running on it. He swears up and down that it will run Windows apps 10x faster than a PC.

jame$thegreat
18 Jul 07,, 04:18
I have both a Mac G5 and a custom built PC, both serve their purpose and both have their advantages. My brother bought his mac for his musical endevours while my PC has been for broad spectrum use by both me and my parents. I think the Mac takes a bit more time to get used but has more capabilites. To tell you the truth (if I had the time) I would like to learn how to use the mac to its full advantage, in which case I think I would prefer it to my PC.

texasjohn
18 Jul 07,, 04:25
Honestly guys ( I have to support both ) there is a reason they call it "MacIntrash"

You have to buy a "MAC specific" part ( oodles of $$ ) to make it work.

I'm with Gunnut. I've always built my own - i386 platform of course!:)

taygone
18 Jul 07,, 04:30
I heard MACs won't get many viruses and stuff because it's not worth time and effort to write virus programs for MACs. I want a MAC mainly for that reason. I'll wait until the verdict is in on what everybody has to say.

gunnut
18 Jul 07,, 04:30
I have a friend though who is "Mr. Geek" who has 15 or so computers networked together at home. His main computer is a Mac and he has windows emulation software running on it. He swears up and down that it will run Windows apps 10x faster than a PC.

Ask him if he can run this game called "Supreme Commander." :biggrin:

texasjohn
18 Jul 07,, 04:48
Specs on his "His main computer"???:confused:

Does he have a file server?

texasjohn
18 Jul 07,, 04:56
I heard MACs won't get many viruses and stuff because it's not worth time and effort to write virus programs for MACs. I want a MAC mainly for that reason. I'll wait until the verdict is in on what everybody has to say.

Not true at all anymore. There are a$$holes everywhere. We get as many virus IDs for Mac as we do Intel ( including Linux OS - and as many OS patches too!)

taygone
19 Jul 07,, 00:24
Not true at all anymore. There are a$$holes everywhere. We get as many virus IDs for Mac as we do Intel ( including Linux OS - and as many OS patches too!)

Serious!:mad:
KHAN!!

Shadowsided
19 Jul 07,, 00:40
Mac OS X hacked under 30 minutes

Munir Kotadia, ZDNet Australia

06 March 2006 01:58 PM
update Gaining root access to a Mac is "easy pickings," according to an individual who won an OS X hacking challenge last month by gaining root control of a machine using an unpublished security vulnerability.

On February 22, a Sweden-based Mac enthusiast set his Mac Mini as a server and invited hackers to break through the computer's security and gain root control, which would allow the attacker to take charge of the computer and delete files and folders or install applications.

Participants were given local client access to the target computer and invited to try their luck.

Within hours of going live, the "rm-my-mac" competition was over. The challenger posted this message on his Web site: "This sucks. Six hours later this poor little Mac was owned and this page got defaced".

The hacker that won the challenge, who asked ZDNet Australia to identify him only as "gwerdna", said he gained root control of the Mac in less than 30 minutes.

"It probably took about 20 or 30 minutes to get root on the box. Initially I tried looking around the box for certain mis-configurations and other obvious things but then I decided to use some unpublished exploits -- of which there are a lot for Mac OS X," gwerdna told ZDNet Australia .

According to gwerdna, the hacked Mac could have been better protected, but it would not have stopped him because he exploited a vulnerability that has not yet been made public or patched by Apple.

"The rm-my-mac challenge was setup similar to how you would have a Mac acting as a server -- with various remote services running and local access to users… There are various Mac OS X hardening guides out there that could have been used to harden the machine, however, it wouldn't have stopped the vulnerability I used to gain access.

"There are only limited things you can do with unknown and unpublished vulnerabilities. One is to use additional hardening patches -- good examples for Linux are the PaX patch and the grsecurity patches. They provide numerous hardening options on the system, and implement non-executable memory, which prevent memory based corruption exploits," said gwerdna.

Gwerdna concluded that OS X contains "easy pickings" when it comes to vulnerabilities that could allow hackers to break into Apple's operating system.

"Mac OS X is easy pickings for bug finders. That said, it doesn't have the market share to really interest most serious bug finders," added gwerdna.

Apple's OS X has come under fire in recent weeks with the appearance of two viruses and a number of serious security flaws, which have since been patched by the Mac maker.

In January, security researcher Neil Archibald, who has already been credited with finding numerous vulnerabilities in OS X, told ZDNet Australia that he knows of numerous security vulnerabilities in Apple's operating system that could be exploited by attackers.

"The only thing which has kept Mac OS X relatively safe up until now is the fact that the market share is significantly lower than that of Microsoft Windows or the more common UNIX platforms.… If this situation was to change, in my opinion, things could be a lot worse on Mac OS X than they currently are on other operating systems," said Archibald at the time.

An Apple Australia spokeswoman said today it was unable to comment at this stage.
Mac OS X hacked under 30 minutes: News - Security - ZDNet Australia (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Mac-OS-X-hacked-under-30-minutes/0,130061744,139241748,00.htm)

lokks like the higher security thing is overrated for macs. I know microsoft came out vista(several version). I keep hearing its eerily creppy how similar it to MAc's OS.Although i'm not going to say itsa copy its still quite creepy.It's supposed to be better but the real question is vista ultimate vs leopard?

PC's are better with games and all applications work, generic devices also work. The PC guy inthe youtube vid sure wasnt kidding when he was talking about applications or the generics LOL! The mac guy was just bragging.

standoh
20 Jul 07,, 07:47
Love the graphics capabilities of the mac (yeah, so much that my pal with a mac has to drag me kicking and screaming from it), though as a software developer most of my clients run windows on x86 architecture, so to keep it simple I run a PC, loaded with XP and Ubuntu.


Then that DIY cheap upgradability thingy that is offered by the PC, and software for Africa(no pun intended).

...

So as a compromise, I'm cooking up a new Platform to be known as the PacMan, or the MacPac, to be used with OS XP

:biggrin: