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Shosties
26 Nov 04,, 23:44
I was intrigued to hear that HK's XM8 lost out to FN for the Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR). There's not much information out there on the web at the present about this (that I could find anyway). If anyone has stuff that is out there in the public domain on this, it would be nice to see it or link through to it. I'm wondering if FN is in position to capitalize on this success and perhaps wrest the competition for the new service weapons system from HK, which was the presumed favorite not long ago.

(see mid-page for 11/17 entry)
http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTWEAP.HTM

Felix
28 Nov 04,, 18:24
Pity I tink the XM8 would have been a better rifle...

That is typicall of people who have too much money... buying a rifle that might be a little quicker to change barrel and then they don't issue reliable bulletproof vests to all the troops...

Shosties
28 Nov 04,, 20:43
How could you say that without knowing anything about the rifle FN fielded for these tests?

Terran empire
28 Nov 04,, 21:04
How could you say that without knowing anything about the rifle FN fielded for these tests?
he's right, but the Xm8 will still hit the field with the Army the Marine Corps and no Doubt a number of spec ops units will be fielding it. I just hope the SOCOM does not end up with another over built gun ( ex: MK23mod0) that is never used because they discovered that some thing already around ( ex: USP tactical ) could do the same job with out the bulk.

Felix
29 Nov 04,, 12:20
How could you say that without knowing anything about the rifle FN fielded for these tests?
Well I read the link provided and did a quick search for info on google, so I do in fact now know something about the rifle.

Shosties
29 Nov 04,, 17:19
Well I read the link provided and did a quick search for info on google, so I do in fact now know something about the rifle.

So tell me then, what makes you believe yourself to be a better judge than SOCCOM?

Terran empire
29 Nov 04,, 18:16
So tell me then, what makes you believe yourself to be a better judge than SOCCOM? I also googled it the only pics i have seen posted were not of an FN fire arm they were of this http://www.robarm.com/xcrtm_modular_weapon_system.htm
to date i have seen no mention of a FN Robinson joint project. this might be another Example of some one seeing some thing and jumping the Gun as it were

Bill
29 Nov 04,, 18:35
Personally, i don't see how either the XM-8 or this new FN offers anything over the M-4A1 or M-16A4.

Change for changes sake is not usually particularly useful.

Felix
29 Nov 04,, 21:03
So tell me then, what makes you believe yourself to be a better judge than SOCCOM?

Well, it was my personal opinion.

If SOCOM says, and SOSOCM is an honourable man, the XM-8 is bad then SOCOM is right
And how I dear to speak against those honourable men...

lemontree
30 Nov 04,, 08:30
The SCAR is an ungraded version of the FN FNC. The Indian INSAS rifle resembles the FN FNC a lot.
FN FNC
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24-e.htm
INSAS
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/AeroIndia2003/Indoor-Insas.jpg

Shosties
14 Dec 04,, 08:55
http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/SCAR.jpg

SCAR-L (light)

Terran empire
02 Jan 05,, 12:56
http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/SCAR.jpg

SCAR-L (light)
couple more pix and a link to a review (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm) of it

troung
24 Jan 05,, 03:23
"The SCAR is an ungraded version of the FN FNC. The Indian INSAS rifle resembles the FN FNC a lot."

It is funny that the largest user of the FN-FNC is getting M-4A1s for thier CT forces while were are buying an FN-FNC based rifle to replace the M-4A1. Well it should be little more reliable seeing as supposedly the FNC is more reliable then the M-16 family. But I doubt it is really worth the money to buy a new rifle just so our SF can feel sexy. Buying two totally different rifles for the military is pretty damn silly seeing as the M-16 family is still up to date and part of a family unlike the SCAR and M-8 which are two different rifles.

Top to bottom

Detachment 88 counter terrorist operator with a M-4A1
Kostrad paratroopers with SS-1V2 carbines (FN-FNCs)
Kopassus Special Forces with "regular" SS-1V1 (FN-FNCs)
Raiders with shorty SS-1V5s (FN-FNCs)

lemontree
24 Jan 05,, 06:17
troung,
CTs and SOF units are known to do their own shopping as their requitements are different from regular army troops. The Indian army SOF don't use the INSAS, but have shopped for the TAR-21, which is a bullpup design, compact, accurate and reliable.

troung
24 Jan 05,, 19:51
I know I just thought it was really funny that thier SF are moving towards the M-4A1 (they just recieved some last year) and ours are moving to a gun based on the FNC.

Bill
24 Jan 05,, 20:58
The SpecOps guys need a new weapon every year or two or they're not happy.

LOL.

troung
24 Jan 05,, 22:06
"The SpecOps guys need a new weapon every year or two or they're not happy."

Basically. They want to be different and feel "sexy" in this case. It will set them apart from the "lower" units who are running around with "only" the G-36

I could dig up data on other special forces changing guns constanlty but those would make more sense then replacing the 5.56mm M-16/M-4 with the 5.56mm G-36/SCAR.

Terran empire
24 Jan 05,, 23:53
"The SpecOps guys need a new weapon every year or two or they're not happy."

Basically. They want to be different and feel "sexy" in this case. It will set them apart from the "lower" units who are running around with "only" the G-36

I could dig up data on other special forces changing guns constanlty but those would make more sense then replacing the 5.56mm M-16/M-4 with the 5.56mm G-36/SCAR.
This is a US project that means M8 not G 36 and this thing can change calibers

troung
25 Jan 05,, 00:39
It's a G-36 the same way the M-249 is really the FN-Minimi and the M-240 is the FN-MAG.

Terran empire
25 Jan 05,, 03:43
It's a G-36 the same way the M-249 is really the FN-Minimi and the M-240 is the FN-MAG. not true the Fn Minimi is 100% M 249 and vice versa
Well the M8 is G36 in bolt, charging handle, magazine and operating system. the rest is of it's own.

lemontree
25 Jan 05,, 06:10
The SpecOps guys need a new weapon every year or two or they're not happy.

LOL.
:biggrin: sort of true.