PDA

View Full Version : pak airforce vs irani airforce



vishv29
13 Nov 04,, 05:15
i know its not possible but the purpose to post this is just to compare the both airforces. no nukes,no third power,no futurefighters. only current fighters of both these airforces. just pak vs iran. which airforce is better? i think paf is better coz of f-16's mirajIII-V's and high quality pilots.

Asim Aquil
18 Nov 04,, 12:40
yeap Iranians are just equiped with the F-14s. Pakistan's SAMs are more capable as well. But Iranians are known to be resillient fighters, they've put up a fight against the odds before as well... And these aren't really great odds.

lemontree
18 Nov 04,, 13:29
The Pakistanis would out class the Iranians, in training and professional ability.

ajaybhutani
18 Nov 04,, 14:36
well they have 50 f14 and 40-50 mig29.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce-equipment.htm

lulldapull
18 Nov 04,, 14:40
Guys lets not start sucking off one another prematurely again!

Actually IRIAF has a real edge, but INMO where the IRIAF has the real edge is in BVR combat! :) They operate about 35 fully operational Mig-29B's, which are able to fire the R-27ET/ TE-1's! Unlike Pakistani F-16's :)

Then the standard IRIAF type is the F-4D/ E phantom II! Still a highly capable type that can strike anywhere inside Pakistan carrying a very heavy payload indeed, including the pavepenny GBU series. They are also capable of firing the Aim-7E/F! And Iran still operates about 70 of them!

Then we can talk about the approximately 28-30 or so Su-24 Fencer E's! Which comprise the long range strike and deep strike component of the IRIAF. The Fencer can carry a warload of about 20,000 Lb's! :)

Add to this total about 54 F-14A Tomcats. which once again can launch the Aim-54 and the Aim-7E giving the IRIAF significant capability in BVR combat over a 60's WVR vintage PAF!

now we can move onto the 150 or so F-5E tigerII's that the mulla's are pumping out themselves these days! It is a good match to all of PAF's F-7's! Armed with two photo-copied Aim-9J's and 2 browning 20 mm's! It can hold its own against any F-7, although the F-7 is a superior aircombat machine, specially the PG/ MG!

So the IRIAF has some where around 350 or so combat types! against a similar number of PAF machines, with the difference being that most of IRIAF types are more modern and 3rd and early 4th Gen types, as opposed to PAF's mainly second Gen types! :)

So until the PAF recieves the FC-1 in quantity, the IRIAF has better equipment! pilot training is a different subject altogether. We can start another thread on that! Lets stick to who has what first.

Hawk_eye
18 Nov 04,, 15:38
Who cares, the iranian's are far to busy with UN sanctions to worry about a conflict with PAK. I am not a big fan of conflict assesment when it comes to Arial warfare, which i know very little about! - :biggrin:

Ray
18 Nov 04,, 17:40
Equipment itself is not the only issue. Combat experience is also VERY important.

Pakistan has more combat experience.

troung
18 Nov 04,, 19:23
"yeap Iranians are just equiped with the F-14s. Pakistan's SAMs are more capable as well. But Iranians are known to be resillient fighters, they've put up a fight against the odds before as well... And these aren't really great odds."

Iran has better SAMs such as the SA-10 and the HAWK. The HAWK is a combat proven beast which has killed targets such as the MiG-25 and Tu-22 along with Mirages. Pakistan lacks a SEAD ability and becuase of that would be hard pressed with SA-6s much less a HAWK or SA-10.

"Equipment itself is not the only issue. Combat experience is also VERY important. Pakistan has more combat experience."

No Iran has far more combat experience in more aspects of aerial warfare (anti shipping, deep strike, EW) than Pakistan by far.

Iran is also the only of the two with a real SEAD capability (Kh-58) and has of course BVR weapons and doctrine to go with it.

lulldapull
18 Nov 04,, 19:52
Thats right Troung iran has the most capable S-300 Grumble/ Grizzly series Sam System!! :) Apprently Iran has 5 batteries installed around its strategic installations.

Plus iran has a sizeable stockpile of about 85 SS-N-21 'Moskit' Supersonic Anti-ship missiles! They cannot be stopped by Phalanx gattling systems! :) phalanx has a tough time stopping an exocet as is!

And yes in every aspect of Sam related Air-defence the iranians have an edge over Pakistan! Pakistan only has the ancient crotale sams, or hand held Stinger's or the photo-copied 'Anza' which is basically a Strela-9 or 16! with only a mile range! or a couple of batteries of the Hq-2! Iran has the much more capable hawk, which has a much longer reach! And now photocopies it under liscense!

But besides all this hardware, iran's real strength comes from its 500,000 regular army troops, and another 250,000 revolutionary guards. 70 million population and vast area! The United States will be foolish and stupid to invade a country that size without 5 other countries going along with hundreds of thousands of troops, fully knowing that the mullas have tons of known nerve and chemical agents including VX/ Nerve and Mustard gas! and a well developed biological weapons program. And not to mention a burgeoning nuclear weapons program.

if Israel attacks iran, then as khamenei has warned that Iran will respond. and they have as is about 500 Scuds, and scores of Grad/ Frog-7 and dozens of the newer TD-1/ TD-2 ( shahab series) and a few hundred of the Nodong Series! iran has played its cards right by investing in SSBM's! because it knows the threat comes from the U.S., and the best way to keep unkal away is to point a few ICBM's with nuclear warheads at his military bases! I honestly belieev that Iran has conducted secret cold tests in the labs! They have yet to do a hot test! But thats not a problem! :)

And similarly DPRK is another tough nut to crack. They have decalred their nuclear capability................Short of a hot test! :)

ajaybhutani
18 Nov 04,, 20:20
paksitan military is hampered due to sanctions and military related restricions by Us in the recen decades but in case of iran though the Us doors were closed but Russian were open all the time thus helping them pose a good threat .

Se7eN
26 Nov 04,, 17:55
i know its not possible but the purpose to post this is just to compare the both airforces. no nukes,no third power,no futurefighters. only current fighters of both these airforces. just pak vs iran. which airforce is better? i think paf is better coz of f-16's mirajIII-V's and high quality pilots.

We sold Iran a lot of F-14's but sanctions since the installment of the Islamic government has kept them garaged. They would get maybe a month tops before each one needed part replacement, which also requires knowledge -- something that left when we took our engineers out of country.

Pakistan has a huge advantage.

ajaybhutani
26 Nov 04,, 20:32
Iran AF
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce-equipment.htm
Mig 29 -40
F14 Tomcat -50
F7 -35
F5/F4 -125
Mirage F1- 25
Mig 23 -15

AEW 1 IL-76

Recon -5
Transport 80

Training 180( with 15 MIG 29 UB
ASM
AAM R73 R 23 .( they might even have acquired R77)
SAM S300 (there are reports about the same.)

Pak AF
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/air-force-equipment.htm
F16 - <=32
Mirage III 87
Mirage V 52
J7 75
Q5 42
J6 40
Recon 30
Transport app 30
trainers 250-300

BVR ( no BVr missiles .. or are there any new additions??)

Well i think it at least gives iran and edge in equipment.
BVR is a bigger issue as it can help even an inexperienced pilot kill the best pilot in the world if the letters plane dsnt have BVR while the formers has it .

Igelstellung
12 Dec 04,, 21:40
Why is this thread even on the board??

How can you say that the Pakistan Air Force is better than the Iranian Air Force, do you honestly think either side will play fair? If I know well, I can bet you when Pakistan shivers, Iran will lose A LOT, to those Nukes. Any weak nation (Pakistan) will do such a act when losing.