How to fix a navy

[Dectilion]

there an overwhelming consensus among everyone without the power to change things that the royal navy is a disaster thats being made worse. If YOU had the power to change the navy, how would you improve it, what ships would you buy/decomm/modernize, (hint: try to use ships both British and other that actually exist, so its easier to understand.)

[Dreadnought]

Simple:Take it out to the closest large body of water and sink it and start over NEW however keep the subs.;)

[Stan]

keep the type 23 frigates
keep the new type 45s coming out

get rid of type 22 /type 44

keep 2 aircraft carriers

keep all subs


Build up a force comprising of the following

2x invincible aircraft carriers refit these and equip them with 9 F35's on each one (use these for forward deployment)

build the two new carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales
equip with 50 F35 on each carrier

15 Type 23 frigates or update versions of

12 type 45 frigates

3 replacement for the trident subs coming into service in 2015 onwards

[jeffpayne56]

keep the type 23 frigates
keep the new type 45s coming out

get rid of type 22 /type 44

keep 2 aircraft carriers

keep all subs


Build up a force comprising of the following

2x invincible aircraft carriers refit these and equip them with 9 F35's on each one (use these for forward deployment)

build the two new carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales
equip with 50 F35 on each carrier

15 Type 23 frigates or update versions of

12 type 45 frigates

3 replacement for the trident subs coming into service in 2015 onwards

Blimey we got type 44's aswell, yeah not bad actually would be a very respectable force

[Master Chief]

keep the type 23 frigates
keep the new type 45s coming out

get rid of type 22 /type 44

keep 2 aircraft carriers

keep all subs


Build up a force comprising of the following

2x invincible aircraft carriers refit these and equip them with 9 F35's on each one (use these for forward deployment)

build the two new carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales
equip with 50 F35 on each carrier

15 Type 23 frigates or update versions of

12 type 45 frigates

3 replacement for the trident subs coming into service in 2015 onwards

You mean type-42 destroyers. There is also one should keep the type-22 batch-3's or Cornwall class. They have 2 helio vs. 1

[gunnut]

Actually I would convert one of the Invincibles into anther Ocean class assault carrier, and mothball the other one.

[Dectilion]

can someone explain to me why we cant renovate Invincible and bring her back? I personally like the idea of keeping all three Invincibles, 1 of them as a helio carrier(i dont see necessity to convert though, keeping as is allows more versatility) If all three stay in service, we will have 1 carrier, 1 light carrier, and 1 helicopter carrier active at all times, considerably better than the current 1 light carrier

[jeffpayne56]

Better still lets overthrow the government, before they sell us out completely

[gunnut]

can someone explain to me why we cant renovate Invincible and bring her back?

There's not real restriction that you can't bring her back other than money. That money is better spent on building new ships.

We could have retrofitted the 1st 5 Ticos with VLS. Or use that money to build a brand new Burke. Navy usually likes to go with more and newer hulls.

[Draconion]

Take a lot of money from hard working tax payers, and tell some crummy iron workers to get thier asses on line...whip them hard...everything else will fall in line.

Its as simple as that!;)

[Master Chief]

There's not real restriction that you can't bring her back other than money. That money is better spent on building new ships.

We could have retrofitted the 1st 5 Ticos with VLS. Or use that money to build a brand new Burke. Navy usually likes to go with more and newer hulls.

Yes they should have took the first tico's. Even if they had to keep the MK-26 launchers. But too late now, they are deep sixed.

[gunnut]

Yes they should have took the first tico's. Even if they had to keep the MK-26 launchers. But too late now, they are deep sixed.

Can we sell those? Either with VLS (upgrade at buyer's expense) or with the original twin arms, they should still be good for another 20 years.

[awangmamat]

12 SSNs with LACM; decom the SSBNs

12 AAW Destroyers

12 Frigates

4 Carriers in the Conte di Cavour class (for the Fleet Air Arm and the Royal Marines)

12 MCMVs

[glyn]

Better still lets overthrow the government, before they sell us out completely

Ah, somebody using reason, logic and commonsense to come up with the right answer!

[PubFather]

can someone explain to me why we cant renovate Invincible and bring her back? I personally like the idea of keeping all three Invincibles, 1 of them as a helio carrier(i dont see necessity to convert though, keeping as is allows more versatility) If all three stay in service, we will have 1 carrier, 1 light carrier, and 1 helicopter carrier active at all times, considerably better than the current 1 light carrier

The only reason is finnacial. With Ark's recent re-fit (essentially giving her the ability to act as another "Ocean" as gunnut suggested) and with the demise of the SHARs, basically the Navies carriers are glorified LPHs. Sad, but practical, in some ways.

I've posted on a realistic re-model for the RN before but will do so again (just because I can't help it :) )

2 CVF - 27 JSF per hull, CATOBAR with the "C" variant of the JSF. 4 Advanced Hawkeyes, plus ASW helos etc. Wartime, able to carry far more JSF as necessary.

2 LPH - Ocean and Ark and then two larger two successors. Able to operate "B" variant of the JSF at need.

8-12 T45 (but re-fitted with a LACM capable v62 cell VLS (i.e A70), plus AsuMs, torps, Merlin capable, 155mm gun, Hangar mounted RAM launcher).

12 T23s with Sonar 2087

4 T24, basically a lengthened T45 without PAAMS/Aster 30, but with Aster 15 and LACMs, 155mm gun, 2 helo hanger plus flag capabilities (to replace T22B3).

Hangers retro-fitted to Bay class LSLs to make them multi-mission capable - acquire USVs to operate from them. Oh and buy 2 more them.

8 enlarged OPV(H) River class with increased endurance. Hangar to take two Flynx or 1 Merlin. Fitted with with 4.5 inch gun, 2*30 mm. Fitted for (but not with) torp tubes, AsuMs, 16 cell VLS, Sonar 2087. Able to carry a platoon sized EMF.

8 Astutes.
3 Astute variants with 8 VLS tubes for either a Trident successor or SLCMs.

The OPVs take up the jobs that frigates are currently performing, and do the single ship, presence missions. The enhanced and increased Bays give a greater versility to the RN and the T24's enhance the RN's deep strike capability.

An FSC program would eventually replace the T23's - and should be a large (9000 tonne plus) trimaran design, with an emphasis on ASW, land-attack, MIW and able to operate USVs, UUVs and have area defence AAW capabilities.