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Mephisto
14 Oct 04,, 08:10
Hehe,
maybe one of the most interesting questions of the century...

Who killed dear John F.?

The Russians? The CIA? Or was that really Mr Oswald...?



keep racing

xxxxx
14 Oct 04,, 08:33
Hehe,
maybe one of the most interesting questions of the century...

Who killed dear John F.?

The Russians? The CIA? Or was that really Mr Oswald...?



keep racing


what about all three :biggrin:

lemontree
14 Oct 04,, 09:04
One theory suggests that he was killed by the arms mfg lobby, for trying to pull back troops from Vietnam. The loss in arms sales was unacceptable to these guys. After all the forensics have shown that the shooting was from a different angle than where Oswald was located. Oswald was the fall guy. The guys in the know of things would be from the CIA.

Its a known fact that Martin Luther, was not killed by a racist. He was killed because of his stand against the blacks from joining the army. Vietnam confict was raging, and the govt required troops there. That was definately a CIA black operation.

Kipruss
15 Oct 04,, 00:29
I suspect it was Oswald. Truth comes out given enough time.

lemontree
15 Oct 04,, 06:25
I suspect it was Oswald. Truth comes out given enough time.

What would be the motive behind Oswalds actions? Could you elaborate please.

Asim Aquil
15 Oct 04,, 14:31
Thank god it wasn't a Muslim.

Horrido
15 Oct 04,, 21:48
Oswald was a disillusioned communist, who had actually defected to the Soviet Union for a short while. He was bent out of shape over Kennedy's anti-communist stance. It's pretty certain it was Oswald who did the shooting. They've reinacted the events and demonstrated it didn't take an expert to put all the rounds into the given locations in the allotted time. The reports of "shots" from the grassy knoll are most likely echoes from the parabolic curve of that wall, and the fact that supersonic bullets also make a "cracking" noise from their shockwave as they fly by.

Kipruss
15 Oct 04,, 23:01
The thing that I go back to is something I heard Walter Cronkite say in an interview (I think with Larry King). He said he thought Oswald was the killer. I don't have any new information (obviously) so I have to base my opinion on the views of people I deem trustworthy. Walter seems trustworthy.

He could of course be wrong...

Confed999
16 Oct 04,, 01:28
He shot himself, I saw it on Red Dwarf. ;)

mostlymad
16 Oct 04,, 05:41
Thank god it wasn't a Muslim.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

(...but wait....can you proove that?) ;)

(....hmmmm....could it have been?.....)

(...I feel a book coming....) :)

2DREZQ
16 Oct 04,, 16:23
Oswald. And the Secret Service agent with the AR-15 in the car behind JFK.

lemontree
18 Oct 04,, 13:21
Oswald was a disillusioned communist, who had actually defected to the Soviet Union for a short while. He was bent out of shape over Kennedy's anti-communist stance. It's pretty certain it was Oswald who did the shooting. They've reinacted the events and demonstrated it didn't take an expert to put all the rounds into the given locations in the allotted time. The reports of "shots" from the grassy knoll are most likely echoes from the parabolic curve of that wall, and the fact that supersonic bullets also make a "cracking" noise from their shockwave as they fly by.

"Cracking" sound from bullets, only if the bullets passed through JFK's head (hit from upper building floor) then turned upwards and passes over the grassy knoll. :biggrin: Against the laws of physics i would say. In the visuals one can see him hit from behind, head then slumps forward, another round from the front tosses his head back after it hits him. If Oswalds bullet hits him, then his head should have remained in the same place, and not tossed about back and forth.

A good president was killed not by a communist, but by (capitalist) arms manufacturers.

Check the feed back on history channel
http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jsp?forum=108&thread=300004952&start=...

lemontree
18 Oct 04,, 13:30
For all the US members, please read the under-mentioned link. How authentic/reliable/ or serious is this source?

http://newsmine.org/archive/deceptions/assassinations/jfk/jfk-assasination-bush-connection.txt

Horrido
18 Oct 04,, 20:54
Lemontree, have you heard high-power rifle bullets go by you? I have (pulling targets from protective bunkers during high-power rifle competition, that's how you know your shooter has fired, by the sound of the bullet cracking over your head) It's quite loud, louder than a firecracker. Also, the issue of Kennedy's head direction can lead to wrong conclusions. Head trauma does funny things, and as the bullet goes through, the nervous system could cause a spastic contraction, jerking the head in the "wrong" direction. Even the "backwards" blast-back of brain material can be accounted for this, if you've seen progression images of 7.62 mm bullets going through ballistic gell.

lemontree
19 Oct 04,, 11:47
Lemontree, have you heard high-power rifle bullets go by you? I have (pulling targets from protective bunkers during high-power rifle competition, that's how you know your shooter has fired, by the sound of the bullet cracking over your head) It's quite loud, louder than a firecracker.

I have heard bullets go past, both in combat and the rifle range. The cracking sound you heard at the ranges were the sound when the bullets hit the target. In combat when bullets go past you its a "wizzing" sound, if nothing has been.

You do get a double sound (1st sound is a crack then the boom) when a weapon is fired in your direction, but its not the bullet flying by that causes that sound. If the bullets flight caused the sound even distantly fired weapons should cause the bullet to make the cracking sound when they fly past you. But it does'nt. Just check again.

Horrido
19 Oct 04,, 17:57
It's the "sonic-boom" of the bullet's shockwave flying faster than the speed of sound (you still get the crack even if they've missed the target). In the pits, you hear "CRACK!" as the bullet goes overhead, followed shortly by the report of the rifle itself. If the distance is far enough, a bullet's velocity would fall below mach, and then you wouldn't have the "crack." If it were the sound of the bullet hitting the paper, then the subsonic Schutzen rifles, with their large (38-55 to 45-70 cartridges), round- or flat-nosed bullets would also make a serious noise upon paper/cardboard impact, and they don't. I can only assume your whizzing sound is from spinning ricochets.

lemontree
20 Oct 04,, 07:00
It's the "sonic-boom" of the bullet's shockwave flying faster than the speed of sound (you still get the crack even if they've missed the target). In the pits, you hear "CRACK!" as the bullet goes overhead, followed shortly by the report of the rifle itself. If the distance is far enough, a bullet's velocity would fall below mach, and then you wouldn't have the "crack." If it were the sound of the bullet hitting the paper, then the subsonic Schutzen rifles, with their large (38-55 to 45-70 cartridges), round- or flat-nosed bullets would also make a serious noise upon paper/cardboard impact, and they don't. I can only assume your whizzing sound is from spinning ricochets.

You are right about the sonic boom part...We had our enemy firing 7.62mm and 14.7 mm rounds at us from ranges 100 mtrs to 500 mtrs. We heard the bullet wizz by us, at the same time the sonic-boom, then the report of the weapon. Anyway, we are deviating from the subject at hand.

Who benifitted the most after JFKs death? I'm post an extract from an article below...
Oswald had in fact hinted that heknew more than he was telling. The Mafia wanted war, it brought more demands for weapons and men. Kennedy had been threatening to pull out of Vietnam, so anassassination would have silenced him. This could be another reason behind the assassination, as when Kennedy was assassinated the paper which he had drawn up up stating that he was considering pulling out of Vietnam was not brought up in front of Congress. Could the Mafia had infiltrated the Government, bribing some members to infulence the proceedings which the Mafia were interested in, and also the reason why there was never a full investiagtion into the possibility of a conspiracy. FBI The Federal Bureau of Investigation aren't really to be considered as the asassinates, only as conspirators. It is unlikely that they would carry out such a bold move, as the FBI prefer more secretive and less public orientated tasks. The FBI acted as acomplices helping more in the cover - uo after the assassination rather than in the actual assassination itself. The FBI are considered to have hindered the investigation into Clay Shaw as well as bugging several District Attorneys offices, cars and homes. The FBI are responsible for the country's welfare so they must have known about the assassination and been on it, perhaps for more sinister reasons that have not yet come to light. CIA There was a stalemate between the two over Cuba, kennedy blamed the CIA, and the CIA blamed Kennedy saying that he hadn't given them enough resources to work with. Kennedy felt that the CIA was so much against him that he felt like they were his enemy. Could Kennedy have discovered a plot against him or the government, but silenced before he could say anything. The assassination would belike self - defence, covering their tracks, leaving no trace would be essential if it was to work. The CIA wouldn't have needed to use one of their secret service agents as they could have put a contract on Kennedy's head, thus Oswald could have heard about it and then carried out the CIA's dirty work for them. All evidence would have then been covered by the CIA, framing Oswald at the same time. Alternatively the CIA could of used one of their many hit men or secret service agents, there are reports of sightings of secret service agents on the scene that aren't meant to exist. The theory of the second gunman could be true, could there have been an expert marksman hiding in the grassy knoll ? Military Industrial Complex There are reports of Kennedy having plans to pull out of Vietnam, this would have angered the Mafia who thrive on war, as well as angering the Military Industrial Complex who were already agitated over Kennedy's handling of Cuba. Kennedy said that after he was re- elected, which was to be expected if he could win support in Dallas, that he would pull the troups out of Vietnam. Yet after Kennedy's assassination, just four days later Johnson sent in more troups totally ignoring Kennedy's recommendations much to the delight of the Mafia and especially the Military Industrial Complex. Could Kennedy have angered the Military Industrial Complex enough for them to order his assassination ?
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jame$thegreat
29 Nov 04,, 00:52
Well I have heard all the odd ones (aliens, the Australians, Marilyn Manroe herself) however i believe it was not oswald it was probably the government they do so many damn things they cover up we dont know about all of the odd things that may cause a "state of emergency" like hell alot of people still think area51 is real lol its a government conspiracy ;)

ChrisF202
29 Nov 04,, 01:28
Oswald. And the Secret Service agent with the AR-15 in the car behind JFK.
I belive it was Oswald as well as at least one more gunman. Drez, im not an expert on the USSS and the weapons they carry, but I dont think they would have acess the the AR-15/M-16 series back in 1963; probably just revolvers (the automatic pistol wasent to popular with cops back then), shotguns and the thompson smg, again I could be wrong.

PaulG
29 Nov 04,, 04:17
Well I have heard all the odd ones (aliens, the Australians, Marilyn Manroe herself) however i believe it was not oswald it was probably the government they do so many damn things they cover up we dont know about all of the odd things that may cause a "state of emergency" like hell alot of people still think area51 is real lol its a government conspiracy ;)


Australians?? do share that one, should be a laugh.

Parihaka
29 Nov 04,, 04:40
He was killed by his security detail allowing him to ride around in an open top car.

EPA
25 Feb 05,, 05:39
Mabey it was the guy who killed Oswald i was thinking about this and am going to look into it. Why else would he shoot him but to keep him quiet.

Bill
26 Feb 05,, 15:23
Whoever killed Kennedy, he was not alone.

ChrisF202
26 Feb 05,, 23:34
Whoever killed Kennedy, he was not alone.
Exactly my opinion

lemontree
28 Feb 05,, 04:31
Mabey it was the guy who killed Oswald i was thinking about this and am going to look into it. Why else would he shoot him but to keep him quiet.
Was'nt the guy who shot Oswald, a night club owner, and in those days night clubs were owned mainly by members with mafia connections.

Parihaka
28 Feb 05,, 18:00
Was'nt the guy who shot Oswald, a night club owner, and in those days night clubs were owned mainly by members with mafia connections.
Here's more information than you could possibly want on Jack Ruby (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ruby.htm)

Beaugeste93
06 Mar 05,, 05:44
Don't you people watch X-Files? Cancer man did JFK and MLK :tongue:



Oswald. And the Secret Service agent with the AR-15 in the car behind JFK.

I've read a bunch of the conspiracy books and that one made the most sense. Oswald started shooting, and the secret service guy in the car behind accidentally fires the head shot. And yes he did have one of the early ARs.

D'oh!

Beaugeste93
06 Mar 05,, 05:46
Another thought, does anyone know where Marilyn Monroe's husband was that day? Was it DiMaggio or Miller in '63? :biggrin:

Prosto ILya
06 Mar 05,, 20:25
Hehe,
maybe one of the most interesting questions of the century...

Who killed dear John F.?


Bilbo Baggins, of course.
This small hairy Socialist ...

Bill
07 Mar 05,, 10:11
"I belive it was Oswald as well as at least one more gunman. Drez, im not an expert on the USSS and the weapons they carry, but I dont think they would have acess the the AR-15/M-16 series back in 1963; probably just revolvers (the automatic pistol wasent to popular with cops back then), shotguns and the thompson smg, again I could be wrong."

The AR-15 was adopted by the USAF in 1967 i think, and they were the first US agency to use them.

Bill
07 Mar 05,, 10:13
"Bilbo Baggins, of course.
This small hairy Socialist ..."

Bilbo was a capitalist if ever there was one. :)

Commando
11 Mar 05,, 22:48
Guys don't leave out the Cubans.

During the time of JFK's assasination Cuba was upset with both the USA and Russia.

IT WAS FIDEL CASTRO, i presumed he sent a team of 3 to 5 in to do the job.

Also i read this and it was very interesting. It was a very hot day and out of no where an umbrella went up in the crowd, now it is realised that it was a signal to the shooter.

So their was more than one person involved....

FlyingCaddy
13 Mar 05,, 22:41
First, the sound of bullets in a cavernous environment, like a metropolitan area with tall buildings can create echos which give the illusion of sounds comming from places they dont. Second if one looks more closely at the Zepruder as I had the great distinction of seeing at 3AM on C Span during A JFK conspiracy conference. IF you look at the movie closely, the blood spray exits the front of his head not the rear, and second the wound explodes from the front of his head to the back not the back to the front. In my opinion these are all indicators of an exit wound from the front of the head, therefore the kill shot came from the rear. I cannot say that Oswald did it but I do not believe there was anyone on the grassy knoll.

TexasOutlaw
16 Mar 05,, 03:00
OK...i'm going to probably step on some toes here...and I apologize beforehand...


I've watched the documentaries, and seen the Zapruder film...hell I've even watched JFK.


My theory...LBJ had him killed. My reason why...Kennedy was in the process of pulling out the troops from Nam. We all know that war makes money, and especially for those who have an interest in it somehow. LBJ was sworn in on AF1 before Kennedy was pronounced dead. It wasn't too long after, that LBJ commissioned the order to send another 100,000+ troops to Nam.
The magic bullet just doesn't wash. There is no way that 1 bullet can cause 7 wounds in 2 people. Especially from a 25.00 bolt action rifle, with a 10.00 scope.
*figures are guesstamations only*

lemontree
16 Mar 05,, 04:30
My theory...LBJ had him killed. My reason why...Kennedy was in the process of pulling out the troops from Nam. We all know that war makes money, and especially for those who have an interest in it somehow. LBJ was sworn in on AF1 before Kennedy was pronounced dead. It wasn't too long after, that LBJ commissioned the order to send another 100,000+ troops to Nam.
The magic bullet just doesn't wash. There is no way that 1 bullet can cause 7 wounds in 2 people. Especially from a 25.00 bolt action rifle, with a 10.00 scope.
*figures are guesstamations only*
This is the most excepted theory, along with the arms lobby angle.