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Major_Armstrong
04 Sep 04,, 16:06
New York: GOP rally sets new arrest record

KRT | September 2 2004

(KRT) NEW YORK - New York hasn't seen the same unchecked violence on the part of either police or protesters, but when it comes to sheer numbers, it's now surpassed them both.

New York police have arrested more than 1,700 people, more than at any other U.S. political convention. And the GOP convention still has a day left, and President Bush's appearance is almost certain to drive protesters to the streets again.

"In the history of political conventions, there have never been so many people demonstrating opposition to their government," former Chicago Seven member Tom Hayden told demonstrators yesterday.

Police report 1,765 convention-related arrests since last Thursday. At the Republican convention in Miami Beach in 1972, there were 1,129 arrests. Chicago's notorious 1968 street riots resulted in about 588 arrests.

Part of it, protesters say, is that more people have showed up to protest in New York than did in Chicago or Miami.

Organized by the Internet and driven by opposition to the war in Iraq, as well as by economic and social issues, protesters have arrived in New York in droves. Heavily Democratic New York also has contributed to the protesters' ranks and provided a friendly base of operations.

"To bring a Republican here, you're going to have a lot of problems," said Marie Pride, a New York City middle school teacher who was demonstrating yesterday.

And after watching the new breed of anti-globalization demonstrations turn violent in places such as Seattle, New York police haven't shied away from making arrests.

"Police are much more likely to put people into pens and react aggressively with physical force than they were before Seattle. It has gotten worse since 9/11," said William Grover, a political science professor at St. Michael's College in Colchester, Vermont.

Civil liberties advocates say the aggressive tactics and "overarrests" aren't warranted in many cases.

On Tuesday night, police arrested 1,187 people as groups without city permits tried to march to the heavily fortified Madison Square Garden convention site.

"We understand that there's a convention in town and that means a lot more security," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union. "But that doesn't trump the rules that are mandated by the Constitution."

And it's not just the police who've changed their tactics. Protesters also have become less confrontational.

"These protesters don't want to discredit themselves or the Kerry campaign, so they have been careful not to be overly confrontational," said John Berg, a professor of government at Suffolk University in Boston.

New York has a long history of violent protests. The draft riots of 1863, in which New Yorkers revolted against federal conscription laws during the Civil War, was the bloodiest riot in the city's history, claiming 1,200 lives, according the Guinness Book of World Records.

Television was the new force that encouraged the protest movement of the 1960s. Today, the movement is fueled by the Internet and by other technologies such as text messaging and wireless communication, which allow protesters to organize and communicate.

"New York is really the first Internet protest movement to hit a convention," Berg said.

This is now the age of 24-hour television news, where there's an almost constant hunger for new pictures and stories. Protesters are less concerned with reaching the Republican delegates than with getting their message out to a wider audience, he said.

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Confed999
04 Sep 04,, 16:54
Now, my question is: Whose mind did they change?

TruthSpeak
04 Sep 04,, 20:19
Not a single one.

And protestors these days are stupid. I think the most creative sign I saw said "Fuck Bush"

At least in the 60's they actually thought about what they were saying.

non-asset
06 Sep 04,, 07:09
So a bunch of people get together to remind each other how much they all hate Bush.

Hmm, replace "Bush" with "Kerry" and I think you've described a fair slice of these boards. What a thought. :tongue:

TruthSpeak
06 Sep 04,, 14:11
So a bunch of people get together to remind each other how much they all hate Bush.

Hmm, replace "Bush" with "Kerry" and I think you've described a fair slice of these boards. What a thought. :tongue:

Hardly.

barrowaj
15 Sep 04,, 19:34
All the protests at the Republican convention show how much energy the political situation has in it. Whatever you think about the protesters, they show that a large portion of America is upset with its government. There hasnít been as much widespread unrest since the 1968 Democratic National Convention (damn hippies). The republicans were able to exploit the situation and capture some of the negative sentiment. And building on this, they dominated the next several elections (Nixon x2, Reagan x2, Bush).

We havenít seen so much worldwide sentiment against America in a long time as well. It will take a long time to repair that damage. It will be interesting to see what comes of all of this. Will a new technology come along and bring us rapid economic growth and people will forget their differences? Or will we continue to lash out irrationally, loosing friends and making enemies?

TruthSpeak
15 Sep 04,, 22:10
All the protests at the Republican convention show how much energy the political situation has in it. Whatever you think about the protesters, they show that a large portion of America is upset with its government. There hasnít been as much widespread unrest since the 1968 Democratic National Convention (damn hippies). The republicans were able to exploit the situation and capture some of the negative sentiment. And building on this, they dominated the next several elections (Nixon x2, Reagan x2, Bush).

We havenít seen so much worldwide sentiment against America in a long time as well. It will take a long time to repair that damage. It will be interesting to see what comes of all of this. Will a new technology come along and bring us rapid economic growth and people will forget their differences? Or will we continue to lash out irrationally, loosing friends and making enemies?

In the same quarter which showed record economic growth, Fox held a poll asking people if the economy was getting better.

60% said no
40% said yes

This leads me to believe that 50% of the United States is dumb as a fucking brick...and 40% understand reality. 10% of course, are sheep to liberal media bias.

The only thing the protests of the RNC show us is that a big portion of the 50% that are dumb as a fucking brick, are passionate about displaying their idiocy.

jjacobs43
16 Sep 04,, 00:23
In the same quarter which showed record economic growth, Fox held a poll asking people if the economy was getting better.

60% said no
40% said yes

This leads me to believe that 50% of the United States is dumb as a fucking brick...and 40% understand reality. 10% of course, are sheep to liberal media bias.

The only thing the protests of the RNC show us is that a big portion of the 50% that are dumb as a fucking brick, are passionate about displaying their idiocy.

Perhaps the 60% are basing it on what they feel and see in their checking accounts and the checking accounts of their friends and not basing it on whatever stats the govrnment wants them to see. Statistics lie my friend. "Record Economic Growth" can mean many things.

The economy has definately picked up the last year but it's a long way from being good. Average pay is WAY down from where it once was. It's great that there are new jobs but they just aren't good jobs. That's not what I'd call a great economy. Mark me down in that 60% dumb as a fucking brick category!

Confed999
16 Sep 04,, 00:52
Average pay is WAY down from where it once was. It's great that there are new jobs but they just aren't good jobs.
What is the difference in the average pay? What jobs aren't good jobs?

You might as well get used to the manufactuing jobs going away from the US, we cannot compete, so they've been leaving for a long, long time.

jjacobs43
16 Sep 04,, 01:23
What is the difference in the average pay? What jobs aren't good jobs?

You might as well get used to the manufactuing jobs going away from the US, we cannot compete, so they've been leaving for a long, long time.


http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib196


Conclusion

Despite the fact that it is now over two years since the economy began growing after the downturn that lasted from March to November 2001, the U.S. economy has yet to achieve significant or sustained job creation. In fact, 33 months into this business cycle there are 1.8%, or 2.4 million, fewer jobs than when the recession began. This lack of job growth has been well documented, but its negative impact on the growth of wages has received little attention.

The evidence shows that the persistently weak labor market has reversed the positive wage trends that prevailed towards the end of the last recovery. The slack labor market has hurt both the jobless as well as those who held onto their jobs. The disappointing wage growth in 2003, which resulted in real wage declines for many workers, will continue to beset working families because it will take several quarters of robust employment growth and falling unemployment to once again spark wage growth.

Confed999
16 Sep 04,, 01:50
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib196

Thanks for the facts and figures, it means alot more to have that in front of me. One thing that makes me question the motives of the writer is that I do not see less than the projected number of jobs to be created, to be jobs lost. I also do not see what the government can do to force job growth, or pay increases.

TruthSpeak
16 Sep 04,, 04:46
Perhaps the 60% are basing it on what they feel and see in their checking accounts and the checking accounts of their friends and not basing it on whatever stats the govrnment wants them to see. Statistics lie my friend. "Record Economic Growth" can mean many things.

The economy has definately picked up the last year but it's a long way from being good. Average pay is WAY down from where it once was. It's great that there are new jobs but they just aren't good jobs. That's not what I'd call a great economy. Mark me down in that 60% dumb as a fucking brick category!

So what you are saying is that the government lied to us, and that our economy is not actually growing?

Is that what you are saying?

Yes...we know what percent you are in.

Let me tell everyone something:

THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT GET YOU YOUR JOB, AND THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT MAKE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB. iT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS DUTY TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE EMPLOYED!!!!

Confed999
16 Sep 04,, 04:48
Yes...we know what percent you are in.
Be nice. Attack the message, not the messenger.

Horrido
17 Sep 04,, 04:07
What disturbs me, is I didn't see the conservatives out and violent during the Clinton years as the liberal/socialists are today. The democratic supporters strike me as very undisciplined and unrestrained people, so I'm not likely to support who they support, simply because of their adolescent and irresponsible behavior.

Confed999
17 Sep 04,, 04:15
What disturbs me, is I didn't see the conservatives out and violent during the Clinton years as the liberal/socialists are today. The democratic supporters strike me as very undisciplined and unrestrained people, so I'm not likely to support who they support, simply because of their adolescent and irresponsible behavior.
I have noticed this as well.

Horrido
17 Sep 04,, 04:19
The socialists wail, wave signs, shout, yell, and throw temper-tantrums. In 1994, when the conservatives were unhappy, they kept quiet and dutifully voiced their displeasure by kicking the left out of office on election day.

Confed999
17 Sep 04,, 04:39
The socialists wail, wave signs, shout, yell, and throw temper-tantrums. In 1994, when the conservatives were unhappy, they kept quiet and dutifully voiced their displeasure by kicking the left out of office on election day.
Yeah, conservatives are supposed to be black hearted, violent, unthinking, evil bastards, but by and large we are not. It's sad that so many liberals cannot live up to the ideals they set for themselves, and, like you said, it make it hard to support who they support.

TruthSpeak
17 Sep 04,, 14:17
Be nice. Attack the message, not the messenger.

I did both. He disappeared...typical.

TruthSpeak
17 Sep 04,, 14:17
The socialists wail, wave signs, shout, yell, and throw temper-tantrums. In 1994, when the conservatives were unhappy, they kept quiet and dutifully voiced their displeasure by kicking the left out of office on election day.

Not to mention that the "anti-war", "pro peace" protestors always end up in fist fights with people who oppose their views.

Kind of ironic huh.