A missile v/s missile test on Sunday ( Is India testing ABM??)

[ajay_ijn]

A missile v/s missile test on Sunday

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/n...hp?newsid=7761


India will for the first time fire two home grown missiles against each other on Sunday to validate the capability of the weapon to achieve its design parameters, officials said.

Termed the Prithvi Air Defence Exercise, one missile will be fired from the shore-based Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur-on-sea and the other from Inner Wheeler Island, both of which are located 150 km from state capital Bhubaneswar, sources said.

“If their trajectory is perfectly aligned, it would be termed a success of the operational status of the Prithvi-II missile,” they added. The aim of the exercise is to test the missile’s ability to provide an air-shield cover to important Indian metros of India against hostile attacks.
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why will anybody test two Missiles to check the trajectory??
I am confused, what is this exactly?

[joey2]

Yes its a possible ABM tests.
BR guys predicted this loong ago , even if you were in orkut there was something going on there.
Remember Agni to be tested early next year? ;)

Exercise to test air-shield cover for train stations under hostile attack

BALASORE: India was scheduled to fire two home-grown missiles against each other to measure weapon capability and secure design parameters, officials said on Friday.

The Prithvi Air Defence Exercise (PADE), the first ever of its kind, was expected to take place on Sunday, a defence official told the IANS news agency.

Under this framework, he said, one missile would be fired from the shore-based Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur-on-Sea and the other from Inner Wheeler Island, both of which are located 150 kilometres from Orissa’s state capital of Bhubaneswar.
“If their trajectory is perfectly aligned, the operational status of the Prithvi-II missile would be termed a success,” the official said.

The aim of the exercise was to test the missile’s ability to provide an air-shield cover to India train stations under hostile attack, he added.

The Prithvi is one of five missiles being developed under the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). First tested in 1988, Prithvi-I has a range of 150 kilometres and can carry conventional or low-yield nuclear warheads for use against troops or armoured formations.

Its two variants, the Prithvi-II and Prithvi-III, have a range of 250 kilometres and 350 kilometres, respectively.

Prithvi-II was first tested in January 1996. It flew 250 kilometres and is said to have accurately landed at a pre-determined point. The Indian army has already inducted Prithvi I and II.
Prithvi-III was successfully test-fired for the first time in October 2004.

Prithvi-II was again test fired on Nov 19 of this year and a scientist involved in the mission said that its meeting of all test parameters “has prompted us to conduct the air defence exercise and we hope the first ever experiment will also be fruitful”.

[I]“While the missile from the ITR will be the attacker, the missile from Wheeler Island would act as the defender and will be fired five seconds later,” he added.

The air defence exercise would be followed by a three-day national conference on range technology, scheduled to be held from Nov 28-30 at the ITR and inaugurated by President APJ Abdul Kalam.[/I]

Fifteen renowned scientists from the United States, Britain, France, Germany and Denmark are also expected to attend the conference. online

IMO Solid stage has been added, missile made lighter they r not reseasing specs though.
I'm 99% sure its ABM.

[joey2]

Does India has the Boost Phase IR detection tech then :O

Guys 100's of things are happening in our forces within these months they are ramping up hugely!!

[y_raj]

do you mean the both missiles were prithvis ?
prithvi was the ressurection of the project devil which was a reverse engineered sa-2. does they mean to convert prithvi back to its SAM / ABM role .

OR It is a new development of the akash which is also projected to be developed as an ATBM?

[ajay_ijn]

Yes its a possible ABM tests.
BR guys predicted this loong ago , even if you were in orkut there was something going on there.
Remember Agni to be tested early next year? ;)


IMO Solid stage has been added, missile made lighter they r not reseasing specs though.
I'm 99% sure its ABM.

I am shocked, frankly when did all this Happen, when did india plan to test liquid fuelled missile as an ABM??
How come a Ballistic Missile be used as an ABM??
did happened in early cold war days right??

There must be some technical issues & thats why we don't see any Ballistic Missile as an Anti-Ballistic Missile in todays world.

[Archer]

Please read ArunSs post on BR for a good idea of the various options available, for optimum ABM propulsion tech.

[ajay_ijn]

Please read ArunSs post on BR for a good idea of the various options available, for optimum ABM propulsion tech.

can you give me link to those pages, coz BR has so many topics.
i want to know how feasible is Prthvi when modified into SAM.

[Samudra]

Look here :

Indian Missile Technology Discussion

Dont be so lazy next time.

[Archer]

Here is my assessment of the situation:

1. The interceptor being called as Prithvi is a cover for a similar sized ABM missile. I would call this ABM by the name 'Baan' (Sanskrit for arrow)
2. Baan ABM that has been reportedly tested earlier against aerial targets and this is the first test against real BM.
3. Some subtle hint and some other open source info makes me believe that this ABM is 0.65 meter diameter and its booster weighting ~2200Kg.
4. This first version may not have a second stage, thus is suitable for 200-300Km range Short range BM. The same missile can also provide protection against 800Km Ghauri but for a smaller protection (defended) bubble.
5. This first Baan test against Prithvi is to prove out the interceptor (seeker and control system), the long range precision radar and the overall automated ABM system.
6. They will take the next step to add a second stage (fier composite; ~ 400 -500Kg) to make it a MRBM interceptor suitable for 800-1500Km missiles.
7. This would require two types of radars. Undoubtly Rajendra and/or its derivative

Yes right thanks for the explanation

Some time back AW&ST had carried a detailed report on the US Layered Defence System , Its suppose to work as/in a 3 Tier Layered Defence System, Speaking purely from Interceptor POV (ground based ), The upper tier above the atmosphere is suppose to be taken care by the new NMD Interceptors providing Multiple shots at the incoming Missile , If that misses then the Mid-Tier is suppose to be taken care by the THAAD system , The THAAD will provide a chance to have 2 hits at the Target , If that fails too then the lower tier ( < 50 Km Altitude ) is suppose to be taken care by PAC-3.

The interesting thing is all the Three Ground Based Interceptors uses the Hit-To-Kill Technology .

Ofcourse its just a small piece of the Big Picture as the Navy has its own interceptors , ABL and so on and so forth.

Coming back to India , IMHO if Funds Permitting a Limited but Credible National Missile Defence ( NMD(India) ) based on similar 3 Tier system can be developed , Not to understimate the fact NMD (I) will require substantial EW and other assets.

But a Upper Tier system based on Modified Agni Interceptors ( Agni-1 ) , A mid tier system based on DRDO new ( > 100 Km ) Interceptor and the lower tier system based on Arrow/Akash system can provide a limited minimum credible MD system.

http://www.hindu.com/2006/11/27/stor...2719980100.htm

T. S. Subramaniam of the Hindu (whose report is posted just above) is the most reliable reporter on the space program and about anything related to scientific/technological development in general. He has the closest access to ISRO/DRDO and is the successor to N. Gopal Raj in the Hindu. If he mentions the fifth variant of the Prithvi, one can be reasonably sure that he has cross checked that part and ensured it is accurate.

Once again BR and specifically Arun is way ahead of the curve. Hats off to you, Arun, for your predictions based on open-source material.

The fact that the Prithvi name is being used for the air-defence missile is interesting, given that the missile is a derivative of the Devil SSM project, whose engine in turn was based on a reverse-engineered air defence missile.

Now, Prithvi test-firing to shield nation
Friday November 24 2006 10:45 IST

BALASORE: The positive US Senate vote to the Indo-US nuclear deal a few days back has been a morale booster for India which is going full steam on defence preparedness.

On Sunday, it successfully test-fired the nuclear-capable, surface-to-surface, Short Range Ballistic Missile (SRBM) Prithvi-II. And now it is the turn of Prithvi Air Defence Exercise (PADE).

First of its exercise in the country, it will check the operational effectiveness of Prithvi-II. For the last one month, preparations for it are afoot at the Integrated Test Range (ITR), Chandipur-on-Sea and Inner Wheeler Island, Dhamra.

The range integration exercise is already complete and the new experimentation is scheduled for November 26, to be conducted simultaneously from both the test ranges.

‘We are happy that the P-II missile met all the parameters and covered the distance as expected. It covered about 158 km in 5.4 minutes,’ a defence source said, adding that the successful test-firing provided the impetus for the air defence exercise (ADE).

During the exercise, two P-II missiles, one each from launching complex-3 (LC-3) of the ITR and LC-4 on the Inner Wheeler Island, would be fired. Both the missiles will have an alignment in the air before dropping into the sea.

‘While the missile from the LC-3 will be the attacker, the LC-4 missile would be the defender. A P-II missile from LC-4 would be fired hardly five seconds after the launching of another P-II from LC-3. If they strike each other with perfect alignment, then it would be assumed successful,’ defence sources said.

The main objective of the exercise is to provide an air-shield (cover) to important metros, the defence source said, adding that the missile would be parked close to the Indo-Pak and Sino-Indian borders during wartime.

The successful exercise would consolidate India’s position among the nuclear capable South-East Asian countries. Prithvi-II missile system, designed especially for the IAF, would be inducted shortly, sources added.

The PADE would be followed by a three-day national conference on range technology from November 28 at the ITR. It is scheduled to be inaugurated by President A P J Abdul Kalam and will be attended by 15 defence scientists from the US, the UK, France, Germany and Denmark.

Interesting stuff- was too tired to get some more details mentioned.

[Archer]

Per my own research/ WAG/ call it what you will, Indias two GreenPines will assist its ABM sensor chain, and it is currently developing its own long range radars to supplement them.

[ajay_ijn]

Look here :

Indian Missile Technology Discussion

Dont be so lazy next time.

no dude i was not lazy, intead i am eager to know about the details. I was really confused and didn't knew it was normal test or something Special.

anywayz thanks very much :)

(i was angry when you said lazy but didn't see the smiley )

[joey2]

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

In a major breakthrough, the country's defence scientists today successfully carried out a surface to surface missile (SSM) interception over the Bay of Bengal brightening the prospects of development of an indigenous anti-missile shield.

A target Prithvi missile was launched from Interim Missile Test Range near here at Chandipur, at 1015 hours, its trajectory continously monitored and then it was successfully intercepted by another missile fired from the Wheeler Islands.

Though, the Navy has successfully conducted missile interceptions over sea using Israeli Barak missiles, this was for the first time defence scientists have successfully carried out interception of a surface to surface missile missile (SSM), which could bring some relief as India actively faces a threat from the presence of nuclear capabile missile in the neighbourhood.

The interceptor missile, which was in anti-missile mode, was not not indentified by the DRDO officials who said "the interceptor missile had inertial guidance mid-course and active-seeker guidance in its terminal phase".

DRDO had for years been working on making Trishul missile into an indigenous anti-missile system trying to incorporate into it the capability of taking on multi-targets at the same time. But the missile had failed many of its critical tests.

http://www.business-standard.com/com...N&autono=17978
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[joey2]

Sorry my last line was againt this argument.

Given the 7second time window for the interception -- there must have been some kind of "seeking" mechanism on the second missile! Possibly IR or radar seeker !!

!!!

[kams]

Some more news on the ABM, It appears that Prithvi is not the ABM.
India develops new anti-missile system

New Delhi, Nov. 27 (PTI): India today unveiled an indigenous supersonic anti-missile system with defence scientists saying it had the capability to intercept incoming ballistic missiles thousands of miles away.

Labelled only as AXO (Atmospheric Intercept System), the supersonic missile underwent its baptism when it successfully intercepted a surface-to-surface Prithvi target missile at an altitude of 40 to 50 km over the seas off the interim test range site in Chandipur in Orissa.

"It is a new missile and not part of country's Integrated Guided Missile programme," top DRDO officials said on the condition of anonymity.

"We have been working on this anti-missile system for years," scientists said and claimed that missile had its own mobile launcher, secure data link for interception, independent tracking and homing capability and its own radar.

"The missile has response time of 30 seconds and once it detects a target it can be launched in 50 seconds," the scientists said.

While, affirming that India would still be observing the US Patriot-III anti missile shield, which Washington is developing, the scientists said that the Indian missiles was "in the class of its own".

DRDO did not reveal the contours of the new system developed, hinting that more interception trials could be on the cards.

[ajay_ijn]

Prithvi target missile at an altitude of 40 to 50 km over the seas off the interim test range site in Chandipur in Orissa

40km altitude OMG. Thats too high, even S-300 doesn't have that much capability.