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    FAITH UNDER FIRE
    U.N. receives Muslim 'apostasy' petition
    Urges Islamic leaders to allow conversion to another faith

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    Posted: August 3, 2004
    1:00 a.m. Eastern



    © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

    A major international petition calling on Islamic leaders to allow Muslims to convert to another faith was presented to the United Nations.

    The petition, signed by 88,890 people from 32 countries, says "Muslims who choose to convert to another faith" should be "free to do so without having to face a lifetime of fear as a result."

    Under Sharia, or Islamic law, Muslims who convert to another faith and refuse to repent must be put to death.

    The British charity Barnabas Fund presented the petition to U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour July 28.

    The group said it launched the petition a year and a half ago on behalf of Muslims who "face serious persecution and massive prejudice in many countries around the world" because they choose to leave Islam.

    A Barnabas Fund representative also met at the Palais des Nations in Geneva with Ambassador Mike Smith, chairman of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights, and Soli J. Sorabjee, chairman of the U.N. Sub-commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights.

    In addition to the signatures, 92 members of the British Parliament last year signed a motion that "supports liberal Muslims, human rights campaigners and others who are calling for an end to cruel traditional punishments for apostasy."

    The Barnabas Fund acknowledges the tradition is upheld and taught by most Muslim religious leaders around the world. But it notes a reformist interpretation that claims an apostate can be put to death only if he also is a danger to the Islamic state.

    Traditionalists insist, nevertheless, every apostate is a danger to the Islamic social order and has committed high treason.

    Some schools of Sharia teach the death penalty should be applied to women as well. Other punishments prescribed by Sharia include annulment of marriage, removal of children and loss of all property and inheritance rights.

    In countries such as Iran, Sudan and Saudi Arabia, converts have faced imprisonment, death threats, torture and beatings. Some have been executed, and others have died in prison or disappeared. Barnabas also notes converts often face widespread hostility and aggression from their own families and communities even in more moderate Muslim countries and in Western nations where Muslims are a minority

    The Barnabas Fund says that while hundreds of letters have been sent to the Muslim Council of Britain urging a constructive dialogue on the matter, it believes not a single response has been received.

    Hundreds of letters also have been sent to the main regional heads of British Christian denominations with virtually no response.

    "Many privately acknowledge the terrible suffering of apostates and admit to the gravity of the situation, but are unprepared to speak out publicly," the group says.

    The British government, according to Barnabas, has produced "very non-committal replies appearing to dismiss the plight of those labeled as apostates as something which does not concern them domestically since 'Sharia law does not apply in the UK.'"

    But Barnabas points out that in April, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed of the extremist Islamic organization al-Muhajiroun issued a fatwa condemning the Muslim Labour party peer Lord Ahmed of Rotherham as an apostate because of his calls for greater integration of Muslims into British society.

    "When even members of its own government are the victims of veiled threats as apostates surely this is an issue the British authorities must deal with both seriously and publicly," Barnabas says.

    The Barnabas Fund's international director, Patrick Sookhdeo, said, "It is a tragic day when so few politician or religious leaders can be found who are prepared to stick their necks out by simply publicly affirming the most basic of human rights to change one's religion, something that has been enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for over 50 years."

    Previous story:

    Petition to Muslims: Stop killing converts


    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=39756

  • #2
    Even if it's passed, what would the UN do to enforce it.
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    • #3
      I think this is unecessary.

      Why alienate people further?


      "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

      I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

      HAKUNA MATATA

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      • #4
        Why try to save innocent lives by pressuring dictatorships to allow people freedom of religion? Alienation is a small price to pay if there was success.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ZFBoxcar
          Why try to save innocent lives by pressuring dictatorships to allow people freedom of religion? Alienation is a small price to pay if there was success.
          Ill say. The dictator ships wont even read what the UN says. They could better spend their time trying to send a force into the Sudan.

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            • #7
              Well, you all have a point.


              "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

              I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

              HAKUNA MATATA

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              • #8
                The world is changing, so are religions.I think it's time for Islam to get on board with it too.Even the pope accepted the condom finally, in light of the HIV threat.It's part of progress.Until they open their eyes no petition will change anything.
                ALWAYS OUTNUMBERED NEVER OUTGUNNED

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Major_Armstrong



                  Well, Its true, militant muslims do kill you if you convert. But saying that Islam tells the Muslims to kill is like saying that the bible says that the KKK was supposed to do those horrid things that they did.

                  The words 'Sharia' roughly translated means 'Law of the land'. The laws of sharia were put in place long before the time of Mohammed and even the time of Christ. The Sharia laws are a combination of laws that were practised among the peoples of that area at the time of christ.


                  Remember the story about the prostitute that was caught and sentenced to death by the people of Israel. Christ agreed with the punishment but retaliated by saying," Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..." . Thus, no one actually killed that lady, because everyone was with sin.

                  This same law of stoning to death of the women practised by Jews before Christ abolished it is the same law that is in the sharia, why?, because the sharia is a culmination of these laws that was systematically superseded by the teaching of Christ & (if your'e a muslim without any screws loose and some missing)Mohamed.
                  Some laws have been added to the sharia but these were all post Quraan and have nothing to do with Islam. Other muslims, unlike me, don't share the same beliefs. They think of the Sharia as part of the religion.


                  You will find direct and (dare I say it) Blatant conflicts in the Quraans way of meting out punishments as compared with the Sharia way. Sadly, the sharia has been added to and kept alive by muslims who don't know any better.

                  I think that everybody has a right to do as they feel. (Provided they don't hurt anyone in the process.) You can't force someone to believe.

                  But these muslims do do this to the people. I don't understand how they can call themselves muslims if they resolve things with the Sharia and not the Quraan, which was meant to supersede all previous practices and teachings.
                  "It is a little knowledge of science that makes you an Atheist, and it is an in-depth study of science that makes you a believer in God Almighty". [Sir Francis]

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                  • #10
                    Well, Its true, militant muslims do kill you if you convert. But saying that Islam tells the Muslims to kill is like saying that the bible says that the KKK was supposed to do those horrid things that they did.
                    Look, thats probably totally correct, but it really doesn't make much of a difference. A valid comparison would be assuming the KKK was running pretty much every white Christian country. While the KKK is a weak force with no political power, the ones killing apostates have complete power. So whether Islam says to do it or the "Muslim KKK" says to do it doesn't make much difference if the "Muslim KKK" is in charge.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ZFBoxcar
                      Look, thats probably totally correct, but it really doesn't make much of a difference. A valid comparison would be assuming the KKK was running pretty much every white Christian country. While the KKK is a weak force with no political power, the ones killing apostates have complete power. So whether Islam says to do it or the "Muslim KKK" says to do it doesn't make much difference if the "Muslim KKK" is in charge.
                      Sad, but absolutely correct. What I was trying to say is that
                      it is not part of the religion to do so.
                      "It is a little knowledge of science that makes you an Atheist, and it is an in-depth study of science that makes you a believer in God Almighty". [Sir Francis]

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                      • #12
                        Nisar says "militants" will kill you if you convert - but fact is that "militants" are the only "real" muslims today - all the claims that Islam is a "dawa" or "invitation" to salvation, unfortunately, cannot stand the test of evidence to the contrary.

                        So, which is the real Islam? Anyway, why should non-Muslims care which is the real islam? If they can't agree on what is Islam, how can the rest of the world and regardless of which ever version of Islam the non-Muslim world is going to accept, it is still be wrong to a significant number of Muslims.

                        humpty dumpty.....
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tarek
                          that "militants" are the only "real" muslims today
                          We have good Muslims on this board.
                          No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                          I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                          even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                          He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                          • #14
                            Look what they're talking about here:

                            http://www.apostatesofislam.com/foru...topic.php?t=21

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                            • #15
                              yeah, lots of "good" Muslims everywhere it seems
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