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    http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/ju...04/oped/o2.htm

    Two headlines

    Two headlines last week showed just how racist western Europeans are. One, quoting a Commission for Racial Equality survey, revealed that 90 per cent of white people in Britain have few or no non-white friends. The other was Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s blunt statement that "we see the spread of the wildest anti-Semitism (in France).If I had to advise our brothers in France, I’d tell them one thing: move to Israel as soon as possible. I say that to Jews all around the world, but there (in France) I think it’s a must, and they have to move immediately."

    There is no doubt that anti-Semitic incidents are on the rise in France: from 593 reported attacks or threats against France’s 600,000 Jews in 2003 to 510 in only the first six months of this year. There’s not much doubt that racism flourishes in the United Kingdom, either: in last month’s elections for the European Parliament, British voters sent eleven members of the upstart UK Independence Party, whose rhetoric includes a lot of coded racism, to represent the country in Brussels. And yet...

    Yet this picture seems much too stark and simple to me. I have lived in London for a long time (though I am not British), and while I know that things are different in rural parts of England and in some post industrial urban slums up north, what I see in my own streets is a society that is pretty much at ease with racial diversity and (especially in the younger age-groups) happy to party together. More like Toronto than Chicago, if that means anything to you.

    We spend a lot of time in France, too. Some of it is in Paris, looking after my wife’s almost-bag-lady aunt, who lives in the rougher part of town and is now pretty much alone in the world. She’s an unashamed racist - she’s in her late seventies, and she lost her husband in the Algerian war - but people of every race in the neighbourhood are very good about looking after her. She tolerates it, and they tolerate her tolerating it. It doesn’t feel like a racist hell.

    So how to explain the gulf between these personal observations and those alarmist headlines? Start with this wave of anti-Semitism in France. Even Sharon conceded that this is not a revival of traditional Christian anti-Semitism. "In France today, about 10 per cent of the population are Muslims," he explained, and "that gets a different kind of anti-Semitism, based on anti-Israeli feelings and propaganda."

    Fair enough, though the real figure for France is six per cent Muslim - but in that case why is there no similar wave of anti-Semitism in Britain, where at least three or four per cent of the population is Muslim and the Jewish population is second only to France’s in Europe? The answer, obviously, is that most Muslims in France are Arabs, who feel strongly about Israel, while most Muslims in Britain are from non-Arab countries, principally Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Turkey, where the Arab-Israeli dispute is much further down the local agenda.

    They are not exclusively Arab gangs. They will usually include Turks, eastern Europeans, west Africans and Afro-Caribbeans, as well as white French working-class kids whose families have been dumped in the same high-rises. But all these kids have adopted the stone-throwing Palestinian children of the Intifada as their model of defiance of "the power" that marginalises them. French Jews, redefined as honorary Israelis, then become the targets of their wrath.

    And what about those 90 per cent of white British people who had "few or no" non-whites among there ten to twenty closest friends? It’s the old headline trick: pick the worst possible number and highlight it. In fact, the same survey shows that 46 per cent of white people have at least one non-white friend in their inner circle, and that 47 per cent of Asian and black Britons say that most or all of their friends are white.

    The moral? Believe nothing you hear, and only half of what you read. Things are not as bad as they seem.

  • #2
    UK Independence Party aren't a racist party, they have a number of Asian and black members standing for MEP seats. I'm going to vote for them next elections.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by visioninthedark
      http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/ju...04/oped/o2.htm

      Two headlines

      Two headlines last week showed just how racist western Europeans are. One, quoting a Commission for Racial Equality survey, revealed that 90 per cent of white people in Britain have few or no non-white friends. The other was Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s blunt statement that "we see the spread of the wildest anti-Semitism (in France).If I had to advise our brothers in France, I’d tell them one thing: move to Israel as soon as possible. I say that to Jews all around the world, but there (in France) I think it’s a must, and they have to move immediately."
      Same for me

      Britain is quite segregated but it's probably not much different here, even though we're indoctrinated with multiculturalism and other culture threatening shit.


      There is no doubt that anti-Semitic incidents are on the rise in France: from 593 reported attacks or threats against France’s 600,000 Jews in 2003 to 510 in only the first six months of this year. There’s not much doubt that racism flourishes in the United Kingdom, either: in last month’s elections for the European Parliament, British voters sent eleven members of the upstart UK Independence Party, whose rhetoric includes a lot of coded racism, to represent the country in Brussels. And yet...
      It's funny how most antisemites are semites themselves. Plus, how come antisemitism is the only thing that counts in Europe? "Regular people" that get beat up, robbed, raped etc. seem to get less priority/attention...

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      • #4
        One, quoting a Commission for Racial Equality survey, revealed that 90 per cent of white people in Britain have few or no non-white friends.
        Great Britian is over 95% white. It would be kind of logical to assume that most people have few or not non-white friends.

        LOL

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Praxus
          Great Britian is over 95% white. It would be kind of logical to assume that most people have few or not non-white friends.
          I quote from the same report;

          In fact, the same survey shows that 46 per cent of white people have at least one non-white friend in their inner circle, and that 47 per cent of Asian and black Britons say that most or all of their friends are white.

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          • #6
            Praxus' figure isn't right indeed, unfortunately. But what you're quoting, Mr. Visioninthedark (interesting name, LOL), is typical multiculturalist controlled-media bullshit

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Praxus
              Great Britian is over 95% white. It would be kind of logical to assume that most people have few or not non-white friends.

              LOL
              Actually the percentage of non-white Brits is around 10%. But in the main cities such as London, Manchester, Birmingham and Leicester, it can be as high as 40%.

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              • #8
                Lucky i dont live in that racist hellhole
                A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Aryan
                  Actually the percentage of non-white Brits is around 10%. But in the main cities such as London, Manchester, Birmingham and Leicester, it can be as high as 40%.
                  It is A LOT higher than that I'll post the official numbers later, when I have time.

                  In the Netherlands, most major cities have over 60% non-European/non-western immigrants. Especially in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Den Haag (The Hague) etc.

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                  • #10
                    The problem of racism is not that complicated.

                    If one lives in a country that is not one's own, then if the folks who came from outside adopt enough of the host country's culture without being offensive aggressively about their 'distinct culture', I don't think there would be the 'divide'.

                    For instance, I read on this board that a small town somewhere in the US had a hassle because mullah called the faithful to prayers five times a day and especially at the crack of dawn through loudspeakers, it can be very irritating. Obviously, this encourages a divide.

                    If at a drop of a hat for every sentence 'Inshallah' i'e. 'If God Wills' is aid, then one loses that the chain of thought. That too is very disturbing. If at the start of everything one says, 'Bismillah, Rehman o Rahim' one wonders whats up. This is more so disusting when one finds that others have to follow their religious codes when in their countries and yet they do what they want in our countries, it become really blasted irritating. This leads to hatred. It leads to all the problems that we face today.

                    I say keep your religion where it belongs - in your heart. Keep your culture to the confines of your home. Don't impose it on me!
                    Last edited by Ray; 29 Jul 04,, 11:04.


                    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                    HAKUNA MATATA

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by eMGee
                      In the Netherlands, most major cities have over 60% non-European/non-western immigrants. Especially in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Den Haag (The Hague) etc.

                      While in Holland Spoor, The Hague, the percentage is about 99.9% :)

                      Actually maybe there has been a rise in hatred and racism because the Arab/Turkish immigrants earned it.

                      When I came to Holland I heard about the "Turkish Problem" and the "Moroccan Problem" (as I call it), and I actually thought that Nazilike evil Dutch people are opressing poor Arab/Turkish minorities here, honestly.

                      However, when I spent a few years here I realised that it's quite the contrary.

                      The (fucking) Turks/Moroccans here are the most loud mouthed pieces of shit, that should be herded onto ships and sent wherever the fuck they crawled out of. And I am speaking from personal experience, trust me.
                      Even when walking down the street past a group of Turks/Moroccans 9esp. tennage/early adulthood fuckers), you will be loudmouthed and provoked.
                      90% of the fights that I've been in or my friends were in, was against Turks, and the Turks/Moroccans were the provocators.
                      Most crimes that are committed here are committed by Tirks/Moroccans.
                      I have been pickpocketed/outrightly robbed by Turks/Moroccans 4 times.
                      When I was 15 and walking down the street in The Hague, not hurting anyone, I was attacked by a group of 4 Turks (chickenshits) who beat the shit through me and took all my shit (Nokia 3210, Minidisc player, Wallet with 90 Guilders, ID card, bank card, student card etc.).
                      Since then I went on a personal vendetta against those ************s, and after dark, even in such safe cities as The Hague we walk around in groups, and believe me, a group of intoxicated Russians vs. a group of Turk/Moroccan chickenshits... = Hajji's lying passed out on the curb.

                      I know I am probably biased and appear to be racist in this post, but it is true... I am speaking from my own personal experience.
                      That is truly the case when liberalism/multi-culturalism should be thrown out of the window (if you're dealing with a plague such as this) and all those POS expelled.

                      There are of course, those Turks/Moroccans who work and try to earn money/build up their lives here, but those are the vast minority, while the majority do fuckall and live off unemployment benefits and kinderbijslag (child support, that is why they breed like rabbits).

                      I say, leave those who are employed and assimilated, and chuck those who fuck around out.

                      This is all I have to say.

                      I do get pissed off at this, trust me, seeing as how Dutch people have accomodated these people here, in this beautiful country, pay them unemployment benefits which are sometimes hundreds of times the sum of money that they earned in Turkey/Morocco and how these people respond. They refuse to get employed, uphold their culture to the max. and resent the Dutch way of life.

                      I am a conservative socialist, I do believe in multi-culturalism and the peaceful co-existence of many nationalities in one country (more or less how it was for the most part in the USSR) but, all this to a certain degree. Once those who immigrated start living their own way in a different country it is enough, they should be chucked out.
                      Last edited by s_qwert63; 29 Jul 04,, 13:29.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by s_qwert63
                        While in Holland Spoor, The Hague, the percentage is about 99.9% :)

                        Actually maybe there has been a rise in hatred and racism because the Arab/Turkish immigrants earned it.

                        When I came to Holland I heard about the "Turkish Problem" and the "Moroccan Problem" (as I call it), and I actually thought that Nazilike evil Dutch people are opressing poor Arab/Turkish minorities here, honestly.

                        However, when I spent a few years here I realised that it's quite the contrary.

                        The (fucking) Turks/Moroccans here are the most loud mouthed pieces of shit, that should be herded onto ships and sent wherever the fuck they crawled out of. And I am speaking from personal experience, trust me.
                        Even when walking down the street past a group of Turks/Moroccans 9esp. tennage/early adulthood fuckers), you will be loudmouthed and provoked.
                        90% of the fights that I've been in or my friends were in, was against Turks, and the Turks/Moroccans were the provocators.
                        Most crimes that are committed here are committed by Tirks/Moroccans.
                        I have been pickpocketed/outrightly robbed by Turks/Moroccans 4 times.
                        When I was 15 and walking down the street in The Hague, not hurting anyone, I was attacked by a group of 4 Turks (chickenshits) who beat the shit through me and took all my shit (Nokia 3210, Minidisc player, Wallet with 90 Guilders, ID card, bank card, student card etc.).
                        Since then I went on a personal vendetta against those ************s, and after dark, even in such safe cities as The Hague we walk around in groups, and believe me, a group of intoxicated Russians vs. a group of Turk/Moroccan chickenshits... = Hajji's lying passed out on the curb.

                        I know I am probably biased and appear to be racist in this post, but it is true... I am speaking from my own personal experience.
                        That is truly the case when liberalism/multi-culturalism should be thrown out of the window (if you're dealing with a plague such as this) and all those POS expelled.

                        There are of course, those Turks/Moroccans who work and try to earn money/build up their lives here, but those are the vast minority, while the majority do fuckall and live off unemployment benefits and kinderbijslag (child support, that is why they breed like rabbits).

                        I say, leave those who are employed and assimilated, and chuck those who fuck around out.

                        This is all I have to say.

                        I do get pissed off at this, trust me, seeing as how Dutch people have accomodated these people here, in this beautiful country, pay them unemployment benefits which are sometimes hundreds of times the sum of money that they earned in Turkey/Morocco and how these people respond. They refuse to get employed, uphold their culture to the max. and resent the Dutch way of life.

                        I am a conservative socialist, I do believe in multi-culturalism and the peaceful co-existence of many nationalities in one country (more or less how it was for the most part in the USSR) but, all this to a certain degree. Once those who immigrated start living their own way in a different country it is enough, they should be chucked out.
                        I've heard stories of it being really bad, my dad spent a long tme in Germany almost to the point where he started calling himself German. He was telling me about the Turks there, how much the Germans and Turks hate each other, and all the crime and unemployment.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Aryan
                          I've heard stories of it being really bad, my dad spent a long tme in Germany almost to the point where he started calling himself German. He was telling me about the Turks there, how much the Germans and Turks hate each other, and all the crime and unemployment.

                          Yes it is true, I am neither a Dutch, nor an EU national, in fact, I am not the whitest person, but I sound more or less like a Dutch skinhead/Nazi.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by s_qwert63
                            While in Holland Spoor, The Hague, the percentage is about 99.9% :)

                            Actually maybe there has been a rise in hatred and racism because the Arab/Turkish immigrants earned it.

                            When I came to Holland I heard about the "Turkish Problem" and the "Moroccan Problem" (as I call it), and I actually thought that Nazilike evil Dutch people are opressing poor Arab/Turkish minorities here, honestly.

                            However, when I spent a few years here I realised that it's quite the contrary.

                            The (fucking) Turks/Moroccans here are the most loud mouthed pieces of shit, that should be herded onto ships and sent wherever the fuck they crawled out of. And I am speaking from personal experience, trust me.
                            Even when walking down the street past a group of Turks/Moroccans 9esp. tennage/early adulthood fuckers), you will be loudmouthed and provoked.
                            90% of the fights that I've been in or my friends were in, was against Turks, and the Turks/Moroccans were the provocators.
                            Most crimes that are committed here are committed by Tirks/Moroccans.
                            I have been pickpocketed/outrightly robbed by Turks/Moroccans 4 times.
                            When I was 15 and walking down the street in The Hague, not hurting anyone, I was attacked by a group of 4 Turks (chickenshits) who beat the shit through me and took all my shit (Nokia 3210, Minidisc player, Wallet with 90 Guilders, ID card, bank card, student card etc.).
                            Since then I went on a personal vendetta against those ************s, and after dark, even in such safe cities as The Hague we walk around in groups, and believe me, a group of intoxicated Russians vs. a group of Turk/Moroccan chickenshits... = Hajji's lying passed out on the curb.

                            I know I am probably biased and appear to be racist in this post, but it is true... I am speaking from my own personal experience.
                            That is truly the case when liberalism/multi-culturalism should be thrown out of the window (if you're dealing with a plague such as this) and all those POS expelled.

                            There are of course, those Turks/Moroccans who work and try to earn money/build up their lives here, but those are the vast minority, while the majority do fuckall and live off unemployment benefits and kinderbijslag (child support, that is why they breed like rabbits).

                            I say, leave those who are employed and assimilated, and chuck those who fuck around out.

                            This is all I have to say.

                            I do get pissed off at this, trust me, seeing as how Dutch people have accomodated these people here, in this beautiful country, pay them unemployment benefits which are sometimes hundreds of times the sum of money that they earned in Turkey/Morocco and how these people respond. They refuse to get employed, uphold their culture to the max. and resent the Dutch way of life.

                            I am a conservative socialist, I do believe in multi-culturalism and the peaceful co-existence of many nationalities in one country (more or less how it was for the most part in the USSR) but, all this to a certain degree. Once those who immigrated start living their own way in a different country it is enough, they should be chucked out.
                            Had two similiar incidents inside a mosque, that didn't lead to throwing down (unfortunately). First was right before an Imam native to Sierra Leone, lives in Australia made a guest appearence. I walked into the prayer room and noticed two little kids and an adult that could pass for skinnies gritting thier teeth at me. Ignored them more or less, and they left. Boo hoo so sad.

                            The other was this creepy little Pashtun bastard that always mocked me, and was sitting against the wall of the mosque giving me an evil look. His two pals, and old man and a little kid told him "don't, he'll kill you." Then something about my being a martial arts nut. Actually it'd be more like a creepy little Pashtun Bastard vs an Irishman that's part of the Brooklyn Diaspora.

                            Would of been the second time a fight broke out inside that Masjid. I would of shown the former Sunni Imam and the Southern Iraqi Shia that threw down how it's done!

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                            • #15
                              s_qwert63, I have heard stories about gangs of Turks who roam through the streets and rob and rape people in some Dutch cities, is this true? Why dont the police just round up all the gang members and lock them up?

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