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[Fury]

German Mig-29 vs USAF F-15, if those two would engage each other which one would had the better chances if both pilots had equal flight expirience, what do you guys think.
And what are the differences between Mig-29 and F-15 they sure lookalike but thats all I konow about them.

[Praxus]

F-15

[bigross86]

F-15 because it would have AWACS support and the range of the AMRAAM missile is quite long

[Bill]

The Mig-29, while it looks similar to the F-15, is actually a light fighter like the F-16.

The F-15 is a heavy fighter, like the SU-27.

[bigross86]

Yeah, but the Su-27 can do some cool $hit that the F-15 can't, the Cobra maneuver being just one.

[Fireworxx]

hate to be the guy who spoils it but the MiG-29G and the MiG-29GT which are both used by the germans arent used by the luftwaffe anymore... only in airshows etc...


we use the tornado.. the Phantom F4F (until 2012) and of course the eurofighter. The usage of mig-29 was stopped at the start of this year.

[Bill]

The F-15ACTIV can do all the same things the SU-30MkI can, we just went after the F-22 instead, which does things neither one of them can. :)

[bigross86]

I was at an airshow and I saw a Su-27 do a move an F-15 could never pull off: It comes in low and going level, at some point the pilot pulls up on the aircraft so the cockpit is where the tail was two seconds ago and he's upside down. For a few seconds the Su-27 is actually flying backwards.

[Bill]

The F-15ACTIV can do that too.

Here's some info on it(it was formerly known as the Agile Eagle program):

"NF-15B "Agile Eagle"
On October 3, 1984, the Flight Dynamics Laboratory of the Air Force's Aeronatical Systems Division awarded a contract to McDonnell Douglas for an advanced development Short Take-Off and Landing (STOL) Maneuvering Technology Demonstrator (MTD) experimental aircraft. The basic idea behind the program was to develop an aircraft that could land and take off from sections of wet, bomb-damaged runway under bad-weather conditions and under severe crosswinds and without active ground-based navigational assistance. The first two-seat F-15B (serial number 71-0290) was selected for modification as the STOL/MTD demonstrator. The project was given the name Agile Eagle.
For the first phase of the program, the F-15 STOL/MTD aircraft was fitted with movable canard aerodynamic surfaces attached to the upper edges of the forward air intakes. It was provided with a four-channel fly-by-wire integrated flight/propulsion control (IFPC) system, and an improved set of cockpit controls and displays (similar to those intended for the F-15E). In addition, the aircraft was fitted with a beefed-up undercarriage capable of handling rough field landings at high descent speeds. The APG-70 radar of the F-15E was provided with a high-resolution ground-mapping mode to enable the pilot to locate the airfield from a great distance, and a LANTIRN set was fitted to the aircraft to project an image of the airfield onto the HUD during the final landing approach.

The integrated flight/propulsion control (IFPC) system was developed by McDonnell Douglas and produced by General Electric. The IFPC manages all control parameters for the aircraft. It uses a new computer chip and employs high-level computer languages such as Ada. The system is intended to relieve the pilot of some of the more routine tasks of handling the aircraft. There are five modes of operation--conventional, short takeoff/approach, short landing, cruise and combat. Position sensors linked to the throttle, control stick and rudder pedals feed electrical signals to the IFPC system, and the computer converts them into a set of commands to the quadruply-redundant fly-by-wire activators to set the controls for the maneuvers required.

The modified 71-0290 flew for the first time on September 7, 1988, company test pilot Larry Walker being at the controls The aircraft was assigned the designation NF-15B, the N meaning that the modifications were sufficiently drastic that the aircraft was not expected to be returned to its original configuration. 43 test flights were carried out in this configuration.

In the second phase of the program, the standard circular dilating engine nozzles were replaced with rectangular two-dimensional thrust-vectoring, thrust-reversing nozzles. These nozzles were built by Pratt & Whitney out of chemically-milled, welded titanium honeycomb. They had flat upper and lower flaps that were independently driven and capable of adjusting the exhaust upwards or downwards by angles as much as 20 degrees. There were a set of vanes above and below the nozzle that made it possible for the thrust to be reversed.

The first flight with the thrust-vectoring nozzles took place on May 16, 1989. The plane was transferred to Edwards AFB for joint flight tests by the Air Force and McDonnell Douglas. The two-dimensional nozzles were first tested in flight on March 23, 1990. Test flights demonstrated that the thrust-vectoring features of the new nozzles worked as anticipated and validated the changes that had been made to the IFPC system software in order to accommodate the new thrust-vectoring nozzles. It turned out that thrust-vectoring resulted in a 25 percent reduction in takeoff roll. The thrust-reversing feature made it possible for the F-15 to land on just 1650 feet of runway. In addition, it was found possible to use thrust reversal during actual flight to produce rapid decelerations, a useful feature to have during close-in air-to-air combat. During its flying life, the F-15 STOL/MTD made numerous vectored takeoffs with rotation demonstrated at speeds as low as 42 mph. The shortest landing made by the plane took only 1366 feet, with a basic F-15 needing 7500 feet to land.

The program ended on August 15, 1991, having accomplished all of its flight objectives. The vectored thrust nozzles were returned to Pratt & Whitney. "

PS: Unlike the SU-30MkI and Agile Eagle the F-15 ACTIVE has 3D axiometric vectored thrust. It can do the same tricks as the SU, but it can also do them on the yaw axis as well, which the SU cannot.

[ajaybhutani]

The F-15ACTIV can do all the same things the SU-30MkI can, we just went after the F-22 instead, which does things neither one of them can. :)

I think we can consider F15 Active as out of discussion in a f15 comparision since F15Active was a TD and never saw production while su27 and its versions like mki did..


About the mig 29 .with awac support Mig 29 too can do a formidable damage.Provided they are equipped with good missiles. And they need not necessarily be russian though some R77 versions are not bad at all.

If we are trying to compare Mig29 with F15 then its totally strange as F15 deseves a comparison with somethin like su27 while for mig29 its F16 they were each others counterparts on the two sides in the Cold war .

[The Chap]

I'd have to go with the F-15 purely for the following reason:
I caught a documentary in which an Isreali F-15 in the late 70's had it's ENTIRE starboard wing blown off and still came in to land albeit spewing fumes. Impressive.

[Injecteer]

I just love answers, like "it would win, if it had the AWACS support"....

Why not suggest something like: "F15 would win, if the MiG29 was bombed on the ground"?

[Bill]

"I think we can consider F15 Active as out of discussion in a f15 comparision since F15Active was a TD and never saw production while su27 and its versions like mki did.."

This thread is F-15 vs Mig-29, so you tell me who's going off topic by adding in Sukhois...

[jgetti]

"I think we can consider F15 Active as out of discussion in a f15 comparision since F15Active was a TD and never saw production while su27 and its versions like mki did.."

This thread is F-15 vs Mig-29, so you tell me who's going off topic by adding in Sukhois...

In order to determine which aircraft is superior and would fly home from a dogfight, you have to compare apples to apples. If you're comparing the best MiG 29 configuration, to the best F-15 configuration, each armed with their best weapons, the F-15 would win. If you start dragging in configuration differences like what if one has this or that, then there's an infinite possibility of solutions. The F-15 is simply more capable with all modern updates included in it's configuration (i.e. F100 P229 engines, APG-63V2 radar, AMRAAM missiles, JHMCS, AIM-9x, etc.)

On a previous issue, here's a link to the story about the F-15 losing a wing and still landing safely. http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/f15wing.asp

[Garry]

German Mig-29 vs USAF F-15, if those two would engage each other which one would had the better chances if both pilots had equal flight expirience, what do you guys think.
And what are the differences between Mig-29 and F-15 they sure lookalike but thats all I konow about them.

German Mig-29 are of very old configuration.... moreover F-15 is a heavy long-range dominance fighter. Mig-29 is a shorter-ranga and twice lighter fighter designed for defence purposes......

A better comparison would be Mig-29 SMT version that is modernized and may carry R-77 version with double homing..... and Zhuk M radar.