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PAF's evolution through sanctions, leading to JF-17
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Since 1990, the US administrations had thought they could abandon Pakistan and that'd mean we'd give up our nuclear program. Their own analysts predicted Pakistanis to come down to eating raw onions. If it has done anything it has helped us push towards more self-reliance and less dependency on most of all the Americans. I'm glad they're now realising that Pakistan is someone they have to deal with, not just run away from.
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I would like to talk about the JF-17's evolution.
In the mid to late 1980's, Pakistan and China came up with a plan to use the F7 airframe with drastic retorfit, they could come up wth a fairly potent aircraft; which would fill in the huge gap of newer front line aircraft in both airforces.
This new aircraft would be called the Sabre 2 by the PAF and the Super 7 by the Chinise. The aircraft would have the following improvements:
1) Side air intakes
2) F16 engine
3) APG-66 radar
4) the F16 canopy/cockpit (as the F7 canopy/cockpit was less roomer compaired to the F16, remember we had no F7's then)
Grumman was chosen as the contractor, this was a very potent aircraft and was much talked about in JDW. But with the sanctions on China in 1989 and subcequently on Pakistan this project was all but 86 'ed.
The rest as they say is history!!!!
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Originally posted by scimitarI would like to talk about the JF-17's evolution.
This new aircraft would be called the Sabre 2 by the PAF and the Super 7 by the Chinise. The aircraft would have the following improvements:...
2) F16 engine
4) the F16 canopy/cockpit (as the F7 canopy/cockpit was less roomer compaired to the F16, remember we had no F7's then)
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What's with this stealth stuff anyway? Stealth isn't just a buzzword you can use to market a fighter. Seems like every fighter that's coming out claims some sort of stealth. That JF-17 possesses nil to very very little stealthy design, yet the article talks about it being stealth. Also, take the S-37/Su-47 for instance, with those prominent canards, they probably generate more return than a Su-27, which is pretty big for a fighter. The Chinese J-10 is also a poor design for stealth due to its surface configuration, yet they claim stealth characteristics for it when its radar return is bigger than the J-7. RAM can only take you so far.
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Originally posted by scimitarwhat ever happened to the belgian F16's PAF was supposed to buy. US allowed them to do so I heard.....any one???
Anyway, the only good F-16s out there are the ones that UAE is using. If they sell those to us, then it's worth talking about them, otherwise they're ancient tech.
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Originally posted by Asim AquilAnyway, the only good F-16s out there are the ones that UAE is using. If they sell those to us, then it's worth talking about them, otherwise they're ancient tech.Last edited by Bueller; 06 Aug 04,, 18:15.
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Originally posted by BuellerWhat's with this stealth stuff anyway? Stealth isn't just a buzzword you can use to market a fighter. Seems like every fighter that's coming out claims some sort of stealth. That JF-17 possesses nil to very very little stealthy design, yet the article talks about it being stealth. Also, take the S-37/Su-47 for instance, with those prominent canards, they probably generate more return than a Su-27, which is pretty big for a fighter. The Chinese J-10 is also a poor design for stealth due to its surface configuration, yet they claim stealth characteristics for it when its radar return is bigger than the J-7. RAM can only take you so far.
S-37 has internal bays to store some of internal weaponsweapons.Though never tested with weapons . but in case S-37 has seen teh production day. then teh intenral weapon bays would have made a lot of difference in stealth. This is an imp part of stealth as having external wepons make even ahighly stealthy plane lke F22 loose all the stealth advantage..
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