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Leader
25 Jun 04,, 20:39
National Pride Varies Greatly Across Europe
And it’s much lower than in the United States, according to new five-country survey

ROCHESTER, N.Y. and LONDON – June 24, 2004 – A new survey by HI Europe finds that the proportion of people who feel "very proud" of their countries varies greatly from 57% in Spain to only 23% in Germany. And, in all five of the largest European countries, national pride is far lower than in the United States where, in The Harris Poll® conducted in 2002, fully 84% of adults were very proud to be American.

The new European data comes from a five-country HI Europe survey conducted online with samples of 2,339 adults in Great Britain, 2,018 adults in France, 2,078 in Germany, 2,120 adults in Italy and 1,382 adults in Spain between June 3 and 8, 2004. In each country, a national cross section of adults was asked "how proud do you feel to be from [your country]?

The results show that:

In Spain, fully 57% are very proud of being Spanish, and 78% are very or somewhat proud while 13% are not proud to be Spanish.
In Italy, 46% are very proud to be Italians and 85% are very or somewhat proud with 13% not proud to be Italians.
In Britain, 43% are very proud to be British, 78% are very or somewhat proud and 15% are not proud to be British.
In France, 33% are very proud to be French, 81% are very or somewhat proud and 11% are not proud to be French.
In Germany, the level of national pride is substantially lower than in the other countries surveyed. Only 23% are very proud to be German, 57% are very or somewhat proud and fully 35% are not proud to be German.
Reasons for the differences

The surveys do not provide any data to explain these big differences. However, they surely reflect many factors including how history is taught in the schools, the degree of nationalism (or even jingoism) in the country’s media, the rate of growth of the economy and the level of unemployment.

The low level of national pride in Germany probably reflects all of these factors. Since World War II, Germany has been very unusual, if not unique, in teaching its students about the evils committed by the Nazi government and by many Germans during the Holocaust. Few, if any, other countries teach their students the negative things done by their countries.

On the other hand, as victims of terrorism in 2001, it is perhaps not surprising to see the unification of national pride amongst Americans with the overwhelming majority of adults (84% U.S. Harris Poll 2002) feeling very proud to be from the United States. Foreign observers of the United States have often been surprised by the frequent and open displays of American patriotism, the waving of the flag, the singing of "The Star-Spangled Banner" and the talk of "American exceptionalism," all of which may, in addition, contribute to the much higher level of national pride in America.

Table of results here:

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/allnewsbydate.asp?NewsID=815

ChrisF202
26 Jun 04,, 14:54
Nice read Leader, I wonder why Europeans arent very proud? No really, thats a question lol.

Ray
26 Jun 04,, 16:31
Europeans approach issues philosophically I reckon.

gulage
07 Jul 04,, 21:32
Indeed, Americans are pretty the most patroitic citizens under the sun. Strange enough, its foreign policy rarely shows sympathy towards other countries' nationalism, such as the one American troops are facing in Iraq. I recommend this article on Foreign Policy magazine that provides in-depth thoughts into this paradoxes. (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/files/story21.php)

[QUOTE=Leader]
On the other hand, as victims of terrorism in 2001, it is perhaps not surprising to see the unification of national pride amongst Americans with the overwhelming majority of adults (84% U.S. Harris Poll 2002) feeling very proud to be from the United States. Foreign observers of the United States have often been surprised by the frequent and open displays of American patriotism, the waving of the flag, the singing of "The Star-Spangled Banner" and the talk of "American exceptionalism," all of which may, in addition, contribute to the much higher level of national pride in America.

[QUOTE] :rolleyes:

Praxus
07 Jul 04,, 22:04
Indeed, Americans are pretty the most patroitic citizens under the sun. Strange enough, its foreign policy rarely shows sympathy towards other countries' nationalism, such as the one American troops are facing in Iraq. I recommend this article on Foreign Policy magazine that provides in-depth thoughts into this paradoxes. (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/files/story21.php)

Should we have supported German Nationalism during WW1 and WW2?

Confed999
08 Jul 04,, 01:02
Patriots are fine, nationalists freak me out.

bigross86
08 Jul 04,, 10:54
Hell, I'm damn proud of my country. I like the way we take care of shit, the way our goverment is working at the moment, and the policies on fighting terrorism. Ya'll could learn a lesson from us

bodybag
10 Jul 04,, 18:56
Hell, I'm damn proud of my country. I like the way we take care of shit, the way our goverment is working at the moment, and the policies on fighting terrorism. Ya'll could learn a lesson from us
Learn lesson from your country?? :mad: We will be in, even greater shit than right now.

Confed999
10 Jul 04,, 19:17
Learn lesson from your country?? :mad: We will be in, even greater shit than right now.
You talk alot. What is your solution? What hasn't allready been tried? You don't think terrorists should be fought? Just let them do what they want?

bigross86
10 Jul 04,, 22:40
Hey, I dunno bout you, but if I could find a way that would mean less deaths in Iraq, Afdirtistan and whereever, I would take it.

Synikul
17 Jul 04,, 19:58
Patriots are fine, nationalists freak me out.

How do you define those words? This seems like an odd statement at first glance?

AlexKall
17 Jul 04,, 20:00
Pride in my country, depends what is ment by it.

Sure i like my country, its far from perfect though but i still want to live here and i like living here. But pride as in need to hang a flag infront of my door, sing the national anthem, no.

Lets say it like this, i like my country but i don't love it. I don't like our history either, but you got to live with it.

Patrioism and nationalism goes hand in hand in some ways. Good and bad. Note the "in some ways".

Confed999
17 Jul 04,, 20:14
How do you define those words? This seems like an odd statement at first glance?
A patriot loves his country, and that is a wonderful thing because love is allways right. A nationalist believes his country can do no wrong, and that is a bad thing because the government can do whatever it wants.

Hope that helped. ;)

AlexKall
17 Jul 04,, 20:22
Indeed true although they do both have one thing in coman, they both love their country even though the other part think his country are invinsible, the best and a country who can do no worng, as you said.

Confed999
17 Jul 04,, 20:27
Indeed true although they do both have one thing in coman, they both love their country even though the other part think his country are invinsible, the best and a country who can do no worng, as you said.
I suppose, though I could see someone believing everything the government says, without question, and still not love his country. The end result is the same anyway. ;)

AlexKall
17 Jul 04,, 22:30
I suppose, though I could see someone believing everything the government says, without question, and still not love his country. The end result is the same anyway. ;)

Very true ;)

eMGee
20 Jul 04,, 15:01
We're taught to hate our own culture and love Bulshevism, like in most other Western-European countries nowadays...

Trooth
21 Jul 04,, 02:01
That survey is flawed in Britain. Its not in the national makeup to ever answer such a survey in the extreme answers. We defer to our hosts when we are abroad and our guests at home. Tehrefore in any poll such as that we would pick the middle to values rather than either extreme.

We are also much more cynical that the US. For example we take repetition of any statement to mean the statement must be false. That why politicians trying to get on message have a hard time here. And infomericals lead to crap sales.

eMGee
21 Jul 04,, 10:43
That survey is flawed in Britain. Its not in the national makeup to ever answer such a survey in the extreme answers. We defer to our hosts when we are abroad and our guests at home. Tehrefore in any poll such as that we would pick the middle to values rather than either extreme.

We are also much more cynical that the US. For example we take repetition of any statement to mean the statement must be false. That why politicians trying to get on message have a hard time here. And infomericals lead to crap sales.http://www.bnp.org.uk/freedom/regions/playwithus.jpg

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