In quotes: Rumsfeld faces Congress

[Trooth]

US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and senior military officials have been giving evidence to a Senate committee on the controversy surrounding abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US soldiers at the Abu Ghraib jail outside Baghdad.
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Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

In recent days there has been a good deal of discussion about who bears responsibility for the terrible activities that took place at Abu Ghraib.

These events occurred on my watch. As secretary of defence I am accountable for them. I take full responsibility.

It's my obligation to evaluate what happened, to make sure that those who have committed wrongdoing are brought to justice, and to make changes as needed to see that it doesn't happen again.

I feel terrible about what happened to these Iraqi detainees. They are human beings. They were in US custody. Our country had an obligation to treat them right. We didn't. And that was wrong.

So to those Iraqis who were mistreated by members of the US armed forces, I offer my deepest apology.

It was inconsistent with the values of our nation. It was inconsistent of the teachings of the military to the men and women of the armed forces. And it was certainly fundamentally un-American...

I failed to recognise how important it was to elevate a matter of such gravity to the highest levels, including the president and the members of Congress...

I'm seeking a way to provide appropriate compensation to those detainees who suffered such grievous and brutal abuse and cruelty...

Beyond abuse of prisoners, there are other photos that depict incidents of physical violence towards prisoners, acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman...

There are many more photographs and indeed some videos. Congress and the American people and the rest of the world need to know this...

Words don't do it. The words that there were abuses, that it was cruel, that it was inhumane, all of which is true, that it was blatant, you read that and it's one thing.

You see the photographs, and you get a sense of it, and you cannot help but be outraged...

[The issue has turned] out to be something that is radioactive, something that has strategic impact in the world...

The key question is... whether or not I can be effective.

Needless to say, if I felt I could not be effective I'd resign in a minute. I would not resign simply because people try to make a political issue out of it

If there's a failure, it's me. It's my failure for not understanding and knowing that there were hundreds or however many there are of these things that could eventually end up in the public and do the damage they've done.

But I certainly never gave the president the - a briefing with the impact that one would have, had you'd seen the photographs or the videos.

I mean, let there be no doubt about that. He was just as blindsided as the Congress and me and everyone else...

There are a lot more photographs and videos that exist...

If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse.

That's just a fact. I mean, I looked at them last night and they're hard to believe. And so be on notice. That's just a fact.

And if they're sent to some news organisation and taken out of the criminal prosecution channels that they're in, that's where we'll be, and it's not a pretty picture...

I can't conceive of anyone looking at the pictures and suggesting that anyone could have recommended, condoned, permitted, encouraged, subtly, directly, in any way, that those things take place...

I am convinced that we are doing exactly what ought to be done, and that is, to pass responsibility for that country to the Iraqis.



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General Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

I have complete confidence in our military justice system. The accused will receive due process. Those found guilty will receive punishments based on their offences.

The situation is nothing less than tragic...

The Iraqi people are trying to build a free and open society, and I regret they saw such a flagrant violation of the very principles that are the cornerstone of such a society.



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Senator Carl Levin, ranking Democrat on Senate Armed Services Committee

The abuses that were committed against prisoners in US custody at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq dishonoured our military and our nation...

Our troops are less secure and our nation is less secure because these depraved and despicable actions will fuel the hatred and the fury of those who oppose us.

Humiliating and sexually abusing prisoners has nothing to do with the effective internment or interrogation of prisoners.

In fact, such actions are counterproductive to those goals...

As we seek to bring stability and democracy to Iraq and to fight terrorism globally, our greatest asset as a nation is the moral values that we stand for.

Those values have been compromised. To begin the process of restoring them, the people involved who carried out or who authorised or suggested that we should, quote, "loosen prisoners up", or, quote, "make sure they get the treatment", must be held accountable...

Those abusive actions do not appear to be aberrant conduct by individuals, but part of a conscious method of extracting information.



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Senator John Warner, chairman of Senate Armed Services Committee

This mistreatment of prisoners represents an appalling and totally unacceptable breach of military regulations and conduct.

Most significant, the replaying of these images day after day throughout the Middle East, and indeed, the world, has the potential to undermine the substantial gains - emphasise this - the substantial gains towards the goal of peace and freedom in various operation areas of the world, most particularly Iraq, and the substantial sacrifice by our forces and those of our allies in the war on terror.

Let me be as clear as one senator can be: This is not the way for anyone who wears the uniform of the United States of America to conduct themselves.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3694995.stm

[Leader]

You have do give him credit. He's not passing the buck.

[Trooth]

Indeed he isn't.

However he is assuming a responsibility without, i fear, any actual accountability. Its all very well him saying it happened on his watch. But then he does go on to say that there is more and worse to come and it has been established that if he or his direct reports had been on top of the game, this would have been stampe don much sooner.

Personally, i don't think it is his fault this happened. But sometimes the world has to know that people are accountable.

I am biased, however, in that i consider Rumsfeld to be a hinderance and liability in the war on terror.

[Officer of Engineers]

The 800MP should be disbanded and its Staff served UP for breakfeast!

The 800th MP Bde should be disbanded and its Staff served UP for breakfeast!

From TAGUBA REPORT - HEARING ARTICLE 15-6 INVESTIGATION OF THE 800th MILITARY POLICE BRIGADE

12. (U) I [MGen Antonio M. Taguba] find that prior to its deployment to Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom, the 320th MP Battalion and the 372nd MP Company had received no training in detention/internee operations. I also find that very little instruction or training was provided to MP personnel on the applicable rules of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, FM 27-10, AR 190-8, or FM 3-19.40. Moreover, I find that few, if any, copies of the Geneva Conventions were ever made available to MP personnel or detainees. (ANNEXES 21-24, 33, and multiple witness statements)

From A Prison on the Brink

The officer in charge of the prison was Lt. Col. Jerry L. Phillabaum, a reservist who commanded the 320th Military Police Battalion. Taguba found that Phillabaum was "an extremely ineffective commander and leader" who did little after the Camp Bucca beating incident five months earlier to put his soldiers on notice about proper detainee treatment.

Phillabaum's boss was Karpinski, the reservist general in charge of the 800th Military Police Brigade. She rarely visited Abu Ghraib, Taguba's report found. Karpinski was based at the Baghdad airport.

Karpinski, a corporate management consultant from Hilton Head, S.C., was called to active duty in June. She said she tried to visit regularly each of the detention facilities under her command. But she scaled back as the insurgency stepped up attacks. She was responsible for 3,400 soldiers at 16 facilities, including Abu Ghraib.

Soon after the 372nd arrived at Abu Ghraib, it became clear that there was a problem at the top of the prison's chain of command: Karpinski sent Phillabaum, a 1976 West Point graduate, to Kuwait for two weeks to "give him some relief from the pressure he was experiencing," the report states. Phillabaum later told The Post he was gone from Oct. 18 to Oct. 31.

I AM SO FLABBERGASTED! YOUR FREAKING MEATHEADS ARE BOUNCING RAGMEAT OFF THE WALLS AND YOU NEED RELIEF?

I WANT THESE MEATHEADS CHARGED WITH DERELICTION OF DUTY AND GROSS INCOMPETENCE!!!!!!!

[Blademaster]

I AM SO FLABBERGASTED! YOUR FREAKING MEATHEADS ARE BOUNCING RAGMEAT OFF THE WALLS AND YOU NEED RELIEF?

I WANT THESE MEATHEADS CHARGED WITH DERELICTION OF DUTY AND GROSS INCOMPETENCE!!!!!!!

That general look like the Isle Kock, the Bitch of Buchenwald.

There is definitely a major screw up there in the MP organization. I am really in disbelief in how she exercised little control or authority over these troops.

I hope to hell that there is a major investigation in how the hell this occured and who let this happened including promoting that incompetent general in the first place. I hope it was not because of some PC action that required women be promoted to flag staff, overlooking requirements of ability to command and exercise control.

[Officer of Engineers]

That general look like the Isle Kock, the Bitch of Buchenwald.

There is definitely a major screw up there in the MP organization. I am really in disbelief in how she exercised little control or authority over these troops.

I hope to hell that there is a major investigation in how the hell this occured and who let this happened including promoting that incompetent general in the first place. I hope it was not because of some PC action that required women be promoted to flag staff, overlooking requirements of ability to command and exercise control.

SHE'S A FREAKING CONSULTANT WITH NO REGFORCE CMD EXPERIENCE! She advices, not command. Normally, she would be assigned a regforce 2IC who would be telling her what to do but the freaking USArmy is so stretched that they've left the res to do all this work for which they are GROSSLY incompetent to do.

800Bde was doing well in the first few months but they were NOT relieved and NOT used to the stress (GEE LEADER, didn't I already point this out) and they cracked! The Staff is the only one to blame when they did crack.

I will have to qualify. Not all the photos were violations of the GC and some are even what I expect them to be. A leash is NOT a violation.

I have absolutely no sympathy for PFC England. Marines were dying trying to observe the GC and here, she shamed the Honoured Fallen for violating the GC!

[Confed999]

I WANT THESE MEATHEADS CHARGED WITH DERELICTION OF DUTY AND GROSS INCOMPETENCE!!!!!!!

Add to that every other possible charge, no matter how small, then prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.