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Homer
19 Aug 03,, 09:50
Here is something I came across recently... thought you guys might get a kick out of it....

U.S. NAVY SEAL TEAM AA12 ASSAULT SHOTGUN

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The AA12 Assault Shotgun is a weapon constructed with heat treated, corrosion resistant, aircraft quality stainless steel. It is gas operated, air cooled and fires from the open bolt. The A12 is both box magazine and drum fed having a rate of fire 360 rounds per minute. When correctly fired, there is a counter recoil mechanism incorporated in the design of the gun which reduces recoil to a minimum. This automatic shotgun may be fired single shot by releasing the trigger quickly after each round or fully automatic by holding the trigger to the rear without releasing it.

There are no tools necessary for field maintenance and cleaning of this weapon. It best operates without the use of oils or lubricants and may be cleaned with soap and water. Removal of the barrel assembly only requires the use of a 3/16 inch allen wrench, while complete disassembly and assembly requires the use of fingers only. Within the design there is a cone shaped barrel extension which provides! 100% positive feed.

GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS

Weight: Approximately 10.5 lbs. Unloaded

Weight w/8rd. Magazine Loaded Approximately 11-1/4 lbs.

Weight w/20rd. Magazine Loaded Approximately 13 lbs.

Weight of loaded 8rd. Box Magazine 1 lb.

Weight of loaded 20rd. Drum Magazine 3 lb.

Length of Barrel 19 inches

Gauge of Bore 12

Boring Barrel Cylinder

Chamber for Shell Length 2-3/4 inch standard.

Operation Full Automatic And Single Shot Using Manipulative Trigger Control

Type of Action Full Automatic Gas Operated Magazine Detachable Feed Box Magazine and Drum

Ammunition Capacity of Weapon 8 Rounds-Box Magazine 20 & 32 Round-Drum Magazine.

Type of Firing Mechanism Open Bolt Type of Stock Shoulder Stock w/ Pistol Grip, And Grip Guard. Right and Left Panels Serve As A Protective Cover.

Rate of Fire Approximately 6rds/Second or 360rds/Minute

Note: The AA12 Assault Automatic Shotgun is specifically designed for Naval Military use only. Therefore, some principles normally perceived of shotguns designed for sporting use do not apply to this weapon.

The AA12 is not a (MACI) military adaptable commercial item.

DESIGN CRITERIA

1. Total configuration and construction is based on factors perceived advantageous for a rugged military weapon used throughout the world-specifically, in and around the ocean, seas, rivers, jungles and deserts.

2. Firing from the open bolt (prevents cook off).

3. Large and small capacity magazine and drums.

4. Total construction, corrosion resistance stainless steel and high impact plastics.

5. Large durable components.

6. Simple design with minimum working components.

7. No tools required for field maintenance.

8. Open manufacturing tolerances to ensure functioning in any operational conditions.

9. Ability to fire consistently controlled single shots, short burst and full automatic mode. (Without a 3rd position switch necessary)

10. Minimum recoil directly to the rear.

11. Non-rising muzzle which retains target acquisition.

12. Protective cover for all functioning assemblies which serves as a stock and grip for the weapon and protects the user from heat generated from firing.

13. Sights arranged to facilitate natural point instinctive firing without lowering the shooters head to the weapon.

14. Requires little or no oils or lubricants except in extremely cold, wet areas to prevent freezing (CLP).

15. Requires Little or no cleaning and can be cleaned with soap and water (Recommended clean and inspect every 2000 rounds).

16. May be fired wet with magazine filled with water.

17. Can be fired easily by small stature person.

18. Can be fired easily using one hand maintaining target engagement.

19. Tools, no special tool required for 2nd or 3rd echelon maintenance except for one 3/16 inch allen wrench used to remove a barrel binder screw, small hammer and roll pin punches.>

20. Virtually jam free due to design of chamber barrel extension.

21. Ability to see rounds in drum magazine.

22. Highly producible due to minimum number of components, having only seven machining operations performed on total components. Small number of weldments. Manufactured using easily obtainable materials. Simple design, easy assembly and disassembly. Total interchangeable components, no final form fit and functioning of components. No final Gunsmithing.

23. Safety switch and magazine release location are compatible with other weapons in the system.

24. Easily stored and carried due to no protruding bolt handles or cocking handles located on side of weapon.

25. Ability to withstand rough handling without firing when dropped on hard surfaces.

26. Color coding: The composite panel covers which serves as a stock and handgrip may be obtained in colors; black, brown, navy gray, tan, and camouflage.

27. Ability to easily reload drums and magazines.

28. Ability to easily reload weapon with loaded magazines in the dark while running.

bigross86
19 Aug 03,, 11:12
Is this real, or a program that's being developed?

Homer
19 Aug 03,, 11:41
I just did a search on Google and looks like a private venture project. I think this is the manufacturer: http://midamericarecreation.com/

Perhaps someone else can shed more light on this weapon...

bigross86
19 Aug 03,, 11:52
The website says stuff about 8 round box mag and 32 round drum mag, but not 20 round drum mag.

http://midamericarecreation.com/Design/Assets/shotgun_images/ppbmrs.jpg

http://midamericarecreation.com/Design/Assets/animation/shootinganimation2.gif

ChrisF202
19 Aug 03,, 13:36
it looks ok, thats the new shotgun look

bigross86
19 Aug 03,, 13:48
It looks like an assualt rifle, like the Kalashnikov, not like a shotgun. Feels wierd seeing a shotgun like that.

Stinger
19 Aug 03,, 14:05
I need to ask Santa for one for Christmas

bigross86
19 Aug 03,, 14:07
Why? Can you guarantee you'll use it only for "good" things?

ChrisF202
19 Aug 03,, 15:55
It looks like an assualt rifle, like the Kalashnikov, not like a shotgun. Feels wierd seeing a shotgun like that.

Im so used to seeing the Remington and 2 barrel one, now all new shotguns look like this :(Cry

bigross86
19 Aug 03,, 22:47
it's unnatural, right?

ChrisF202
19 Aug 03,, 22:50
it's unnatural, right?

its a bit .... well different, yes unnatural

hoosierhick
20 Aug 03,, 19:55
Cool...I bet it'd be fun to squirrel hunt with! And if you guys want to see a funky looking shotgun, check this out:

http://www.bullpup.de/flinte/caw/uebbld.jpg

bigross86
20 Aug 03,, 20:17
What gun is that?

hoosierhick
20 Aug 03,, 20:22
It's the Heckler & Koch Close Assault Weapon. More info here: http://www.hkpro.com/CAWS.htm

bigross86
20 Aug 03,, 20:39
Cool looking thing.

Lunatock
20 Aug 03,, 22:08
Cool...I bet it'd be fun to squirrel hunt with! And if you guys want to see a funky looking shotgun, check this out:

http://www.bullpup.de/flinte/caw/uebbld.jpg

Looks like the MAKS. One of the possibly real guns used in Syphon Filter 3.

Falcons, M16's, AK-47's. Real.
Wonder if the MAKS & UAS-12 are real guns? It'd be sweet...and atthe same time scary, if the UAS-12 does exist.

ChrisF202
20 Aug 03,, 22:19
Cool...I bet it'd be fun to squirrel hunt with! And if you guys want to see a funky looking shotgun, check this out:

http://www.bullpup.de/flinte/caw/uebbld.jpg

Looks like the MAKS. One of the possibly real guns used in Syphon Filter 3.

Falcons, M16's, AK-47's. Real.
Wonder if the MAKS & UAS-12 are real guns? It'd be sweet...and atthe same time scary, if the UAS-12 does exist.
I think the UAS-12 is from Rainbow 6: Raven Shield

bigross86
21 Aug 03,, 01:45
So it's a real gun. I don't think Clancy would put a fake gun in. It's modeled to be as realistic as possible.

ChrisF202
21 Aug 03,, 02:29
So it's a real gun. I don't think Clancy would put a fake gun in. It's modeled to be as realistic as possible.
so then it must actually exist or be a prototype ... scary

bigross86
21 Aug 03,, 02:31
Why? What's so scary about the UAS-12? What is the UAS-12?

ChrisF202
21 Aug 03,, 02:32
Why? What's so scary about the UAS-12? What is the UAS-12?
its a shotgun ... a new type, new design, different

Lunatock
21 Aug 03,, 02:35
Why? What's so scary about the UAS-12? What is the UAS-12?
its a shotgun ... a new type, new design, different

Being on the recieving end of one is what'd be scary about it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this new type of shotgun would hit someone harder than an M-79.

bigross86
21 Aug 03,, 09:45
It's that good?

Lunatock
21 Aug 03,, 20:13
Heard that bigger & better. Usually is. Also in this case, I'd imagine these next generation Shotguns aren't exactly pea-shooters.

Homer
21 Aug 03,, 20:50
Sounds like they are trying to make em into something they are not... an assualt rifle.

ChrisF202
21 Aug 03,, 21:33
thats why its a stupid idea, just modify the Remington

bigross86
22 Aug 03,, 10:35
Or just make a lighter M-60...

ChrisF202
22 Aug 03,, 14:54
Or just make a lighter M-60...
rofl ... good one, we dont use shotguns on the battlefield anymore, except special forces using them in close quarters, most shotguns are used by the cops and criminals, and normal citizens

Lunatock
23 Aug 03,, 02:47
Saw footage of what I think were Al-Qaeda attacking a U.S. Military Convoy.

It was night time, and th camera was far away. But the muzzle flashes from a Shotgun could be seen coming from a Humvee.

bigross86
24 Aug 03,, 09:54
Shotguns are good for shooting in the general area of a terrorist. Better chances of a hit

Captain C
27 Aug 03,, 03:26
Shotguns work good for close in combat like in a jungle. They were pretty fierce in trnch warfare days as well. You could clean out a trench or stop an frontal attack very quickly with a shotgun. In WWI, teh Germans said any American captured with a shotgun would be summarily executed. The US doubled the production of shotguns shortly thereafter!!!! Right on!!!!

:)Clp

I think the new shotgun is one ugly momma. I don't mind plastic stocks, just make them good looking plastic stocks!!!!!

bigross86
27 Aug 03,, 09:14
Besides, what will make a bad guy $hit himself more than a couple hundred metal balls flying at a couple hundred fps right at him?

eMGee
11 Dec 03,, 17:06
I agree that thing isn't a beauty and doesn't like your average shotgun. I'm not sure wheter the "full-automatic" firing will be really useful either, in combat. But, you never know ;)

Oh and, it reminds me of a HK G3A3, instead of an AK...

griftadan
29 Jul 04,, 21:05
why would a shotgun need a scope?

Bill
29 Jul 04,, 22:26
The military still uses shotguns.

The Mossberg M-590 is the standard issue, but there are other types in the inventory as well.

Inside 35 meters, a high-capacity semi-automatic shotgun cannot be beat.

The Chap
01 Sep 04,, 01:29
The nice folk at Armscorp have been making this stuff for an age.
Did I mention It's my birthday this week? :biggrin:

Dragoon
03 Sep 04,, 00:16
why would a shotgun need a scope?

It's not realy a "scope" its only 1.5x magnification and desiged to allow very quick target aquisition, a little like the "scopes you see on some combat hanguns.

Dragoon
03 Sep 04,, 00:24
thats why its a stupid idea, just modify the Remington

a Remington probably couldnt handle the recoil of a 12 guage on full auto, the Assault shotgun is designed to be used in full auto mode.

USELSS Trivia Time: Think about this every time you pull the trigger on a round of buckshot you fire twelve .30 caliber (Roughly 7-9mm) lead or steel ball. a burst of three rounds sends 70 - 80 balls in to a small area, while it cant penetrate armor it will turn a man into meatloaf. the idea behind an assault shotgun is to saturate an area with unbelievable volume of fire. a bit like a claymore mine only you can poit this one and reload it. shotguns have psychological impact as well as allowing very quick reactions to a target at close range. A large capacity magizine and a Full auto firing mode turns a normal shotgun into an urban weapon of mass destruction

The Chap
05 Sep 04,, 09:47
a Remington probably couldnt handle the recoil of a 12 guage on full auto, the Assault shotgun is designed to be used in full auto mode.

USELSS Trivia Time: Think about this every time you pull the trigger on a round of buckshot you fire twelve .30 caliber (Roughly 7-9mm) lead or steel ball. a burst of three rounds sends 70 - 80 balls in to a small area, while it cant penetrate armor it will turn a man into meatloaf. the idea behind an assault shotgun is to saturate an area with unbelievable volume of fire. a bit like a claymore mine only you can poit this one and reload it. shotguns have psychological impact as well as allowing very quick reactions to a target at close range. A large capacity magizine and a Full auto firing mode turns a normal shotgun into an urban weapon of mass destruction

Can too penetrate armour :tongue:
That's what very expensive discarding sabot DU rounds are for ;)

The Chap
22 Sep 04,, 01:28
Can too penetrate armour :tongue:
That's what very expensive discarding sabot DU rounds are for ;)

Sorry, I meant tungsten. :redface:

Praxus
22 Sep 04,, 02:05
Did't you know that DU has killed hundereds of thousands of US troops and billions of innocent civilians? :biggrin:

The Chap
22 Sep 04,, 04:23
Did't you know that DU has killed hundereds of thousands of US troops and billions of innocent civilians? :biggrin:

Yeah, but I have stock :eek: :biggrin:

mryu78
18 Oct 04,, 00:00
full auto or semi auto shotguns with that design is a good inprovement to urban force. but... I hope they make it less bulky. not everyone is built 6ft tall.