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KLF
05 Oct 06,, 22:03
The PLA elections are only a few months away. Punjab politics like the rest of India is corrupt to the core and anyone who is familiar with the Sikhs knows how sharply they are divided (politically). Not just the Sikhs of Punjab but diaspora Punjabi Sikhs too; who will be watching the elections very closely there. It will be interesting, but i regret to say that my gut feeling tells me that the only credible threat to Capt Amrinder Singh will come from the SAD-BJP alliance.

What will be very interesting though is if the BJP has Navjot Singh Sidhu contest from Patiala. I would like to see that very much in fact.

But no matter the result, the people of Punjab will gain nothing, particularly the Sikhs.

Tronic
05 Oct 06,, 22:11
oh god... did you vote for Simranjit Singh Mann??? lol... Capt. Amrinder Singh all the way... :cool: What have the people of Punjab left to gain, that you say we will gain nothing??? We are already the highest GDP state in India, possibly the highest standard of living... I hope you don't want to revert back to the 80s... lol...

KLF
05 Oct 06,, 22:22
No. Things should not revert back to the 1980's, which was one of the worst decades for the Punjab. I vote for S. Simranjit Singh Mann because he is the only Akali leader left who campaigns for Panthic and Sikh issues, including those issues left unresolved between Punjab and New Delhi since the 1966 reorganisation of the state.

I do not believe the Indian media when it comes to awards for "most developed..." or whatever state since different papers report different things. Even if Punjab were the 'most developed' state in India it means little since India is a 3rd world country with millions upon millions of people living below the poverty line.

Here is an extract from an article on Punjab's (lack of) development and water crisis:



Land Of Five Rivers In Water Crisis And Water Chaos

By Umendra Dutt

05 October, 2006
Countercurrents.org

Last month Punjab has been declared as the over all best state in the country by India Today news magazine for the third conjunctive year. It is good to have a prize for Punjab and state government has immediately taken this as an opportunity to have publicity campaign for its achievement. But there is another side of the picture also which shows doom, distress and destruction is fast engulfing this land of five waters. It is a Water-Chaos in the Punjab.

We can see farmers committing suicides due to failure of pumps, neighbors in farms killing each other over the quarrel for irrigation water, Women are bound to fetch water on their head from as far as 3 kms, and a vast majority of people have no option other then to drink sub-human water. We can see long queues around certain hand pumps adjacent to canals for potable water; we can find farmers fetching water on trolleys, bullock carts, jeeps, and village made jeep-the jogards, motor bikes and bicycles in several villages.

The situation is more pity in southern districts of state in Malwa region, but situation is fast becoming all most same in entire Punjab. There are news of public demonstrations, road-blocks, dharnas and civil unrest on the issue of water. Students boycotting the classes and even an engineering collage near Malout have forced to declare vacations for three days as there is no water supply to the institute in April 2006. Students at ITI Moga went on strike to protest against non-availability of drinking water.

More - http://www.countercurrents.org/en-dutt051006.htm

Punjab is developed? No, by all indication it is far from it. I last visited Punjab in 2003 so i know that cities in Punjab are little or no different from what you may find in say Lucknow (UP) for example.

Tronic
05 Oct 06,, 22:36
Actually, I know that you are obsessed with this Khalistan thing but Punjab IS developed contrary to what you might want to believe. Chandigarh city alone has the highest standard of living in all of India...

KLF
05 Oct 06,, 22:43
Developed by who's standards? Other places in India? Then yes, perhaps Punjab is developed. But Punjab is not actually 'developed'. It is 3rd world like the rest of the subcontinent.

Chandigarh is an altogether different issue since it is a new city founded only after 1947 and is administered as a union territory. Naturally, a new city that was designed and planned by a Frenchmen would resemble a modern and developed place but even then Chandigarh is turning into an overcrowded and dirty mess.

Tronic
05 Oct 06,, 22:52
Developed by who's standards? Other places in India? Then yes, perhaps Punjab is developed. But Punjab is not actually 'developed'. It is 3rd world like the rest of the subcontinent.
who else??? You cannot expect India to turn first world just like that, ok? India is a 50 year old country and the first world countries you want to compare to are all either more then 300 years old or centuries old without any colonial conquests.


even then Chandigarh is turning into an overcrowded and dirty mess.

errm... no its not... btw, you want to talk dirty... talk Amritsar...

lemontree
06 Oct 06,, 06:17
Punjab is developed? No, by all indication it is far from it. I last visited Punjab in 2003 so i know that cities in Punjab are little or no different from what you may find in say Lucknow (UP) for example.
Why blame politicians, its the people too who must share the blame. Nepotism plays a big part and I am sure you to would have benifitted from it in some way. Besides if you feel so much, then you must come back and help the less fortunate to develop.

Tronic
06 Oct 06,, 12:43
LT, all Khalistanis know is to provide financial support to terrorists... period... All the so-called "Freedom Fighters" families are stilll living in despair; atleast the Islamic terrorists like Hezbollah provide support to the families of dead terrorists. All Khalistanis know is to brainwash and misguide more youths and get them killed also...

KLF
17 Oct 06,, 22:22
Why blame politicians, its the people too who must share the blame. Nepotism plays a big part and I am sure you to would have benifitted from it in some way. Besides if you feel so much, then you must come back and help the less fortunate to develop.

By all indication Punjab still falls under the 'Disturbed Areas Act' and the Punjab government is unable to act effectively (or at all) on any substantive issue of the state. The only major initiative the Punjab government has been able to undertake was the passing of the Punjab Termination of Agreements Bill 2004 which will temporarily block the construction of the SYL canal being built in Haryana.

Had the Punjab government been able to operate without interference from the government of India setbacks like this - http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20031012/punjab1.htm would never have happened and all outstanding and unresolved issues of the state like Chandigarh and other territorial issues would have been solved long ago. But the government of India does not honour even its own accords like the Rajiv-Longowal accord so the blame and resentment will be directed towards the government before the people of Punjab.


LT, all Khalistanis know is to provide financial support to terrorists... period... All the so-called "Freedom Fighters" families are stilll living in despair; atleast the Islamic terrorists like Hezbollah provide support to the families of dead terrorists. All Khalistanis know is to brainwash and misguide more youths and get them killed also...

This is not true. You obviously have never heard of the Guru Asra Trust run by Bhai Kanwarpal Singh Dhami for example. Why you dont you go pay a visit to there and see for yourself what support is being given to the orphans.

Archer
17 Oct 06,, 22:33
What a moron, visits India and supports terrorists. Why dont you 'fess up who you are feller, I think the FBI, MI guys need to pay you a visit.

KLF
29 Oct 06,, 18:10
Not much of a choice according to this article.


In Punjab, the situation is critical for the Congress and the pattern emerging for the 117-member Assembly is changing rather quickly in favour of the Akali Dal. My earlier assessment was a close fight, but the Congress may well be heading for a rout and estimates of the tally vary from 20 to 30 seats. The Congress has a tradition of internal dissent - Akali Dal, too, has a similar problem - but the assessment of 30 seats comes from the party's hard-core loyalists, and this is disturbing.

The BJP has a limited role in Punjab, but it has a superstar in Navjot Singh Sidhu. BJP's Vinod Khanna has won three hard-fought elections against a formidable opponent - Congress's Sukhbans Kaur who is currently in the Rajya Sabha - and he will have a role to play in his area. Punjab Chief Minister Amarinder Singh is under siege. Let us hope we will not witness a series of future vendettas if the Government changes.

A more detailed survey is necessary, but things look difficult for the Congress and can worsen if the BSP contests the election. Akali Dal's Sukhbir Singh Badal will spearhead the campaign and will be the favourite to occupy the Chief Minister's chair. The last election had seen the Akali Dal split between GS Tohra and Parkash Singh Badal. The Congress won that poll but suffered a setback in the Lok Sabha election. In view of the anti-incumbency trend of the last two years, the Akali Dal and the BJP may win by a decisive margin.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=nehru%2Fnehru101.txt&writer=nehru

It will be good to get rid of the Congress led government, but SAD-BJP is not a good alternative.

Ray
29 Oct 06,, 18:17
Khalistanis are the most corrupt and hypoctical people whose unmarried fathers deserve to be given compliments by the real Sikhs.

The Akali Dal is hanging around in India and demanding and getting Sikh rights. They have not sold their soul to the enemy or taken the enemy's money for their Cause. Sikhs are not cowards who run away to foreign land to fight. They are known to stand and fight. That is what Guru Gobind taught them. Therefore, Khalistanis are no Sikhs. They are what Punjabis call "giddh" and "gidars".

They are bleeding their white patrons white and also looting the Gurudwara funds abroad.

Chauhan has already thrown in the towel!

KLF
29 Oct 06,, 18:41
Dr Chauhan is still pro-Khalistan and that is why he floated the Khalsa Raj Party on returning to Indian occupied Khalistan. You probably didnt know that Dr Chauhan was arrested earlier this year for giving an interview in support of Khalistan to ZEE TV:


Chohan held from Tanda
Bipin Bhardwaj
Tribune News Service

Hoshiarpur, March 8
Taking serious note of the statements on the formation of ‘Khalistan’ by 2007, the Punjab police arrested Dr Jagjit Singh Chohan, a proponent of Khalistan from his residence in Tanda town 32 km from here this morning. The police arrested Mr Chohan, even though the Punjab and Haryana High Court had passed an order staying his arrest.

Mr Chohan made statements on the formation of ‘Khalistan’, recently. The Amritsar police had earlier registered a case against him in this regard.

Mr Chohan claimed having completed all formalities at the international level for the creation of ‘Khalistan’.

A police party from Amritsar descended on his residence at 7.30 am and arrested him under various Sections of the IPC, sources in the police revealed. Police vehicles followed a Gypsy in which he was taken to Amritsar.

The police also searched the office of the Khalsa Raj Party in the premises of Chohan Charitable Hospital, run by him for the past couple of years. Flags of ‘Khalistan and Khalsa Raj’ fluttering atop the hospital building, however, failed to draw attention of the police.

Mr Chohan earlier had claimed, “My dream formation of Khalistan” is a continuation of the Khalsa Revolution that will come true with its formation by 2007 end. Formation of Khalistan is not a big job for us now. Our lobby throughout the ‘World favouring ‘Khalistan’ has completed all formalities for running a separate nation.” Mr Chohan also claimed to have currency notes, passports, postage stamps, flags and a blue print and other important documents pertaining to the nation of his dreams.

Mr Chohan claimed their lobby had published currency notes of Khalistan first in 1981 in Canada while passports and postal stamps were published in America and England. Various proponents of ‘Khalistan’ have already been working for the creation of a separate nation ‘Khalistan’ to be established between India and Pakistan, he added. He claimed being in touch with other ‘Khalistan’ ideologues all over the world to give final shape to their thought.

He also claimed to be in touch with certain other ‘terrorist outfits’ in Srinagar and Jammu and Kashmir for solving issues — Kashmir and Khalistan. He claimed that Khalistan would be formed by the end of next year but before that Independent Kashmir would be a separate nation.

Mr Chohan was arrested earlier also for hatching up a conspiracy for anti-national activities. He has been running Chohan Charitable Hospital, Tanda, for treating people. The Punjab and Haryana High Court earlier had stayed his arrest. The court had also directed the state for seeking permission on a seven-day notice before taking Mr Chohan in custody.

The ‘Khalistan’ ideologue denied moving court in self-defence besides filing any public interest litigation (PIL) plea and moving any application seeking release on bail.

Mr Paramjit Singh Gill, Deputy Inspector General of Police, Jalandhar Range, claimed a police party from Amritsar arrested Mr Jagjit Singh Chohan in an old case registered against him some time ago. He, however, claimed that legal action would be taken against Mr Chohan as he had put up flags of ‘Khalistan Raj Party’ atop the building of his hospital which falls within his jurisdiction.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060309/punjab1.htm#4

You probably also havent heard about the clashes between pro-Khalistan Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) activists with those of the SAD-Badal that have been occurring over the past few months, the most recent only a few days ago where Sardar Simranjit Singh Mann himself was involved in a fight with SAD-BJP goons.


Badal will pay a heavy price for attack, says Mann
Our Correspondent

Fatehgarh Sahib, October 26
Thousands of supporters, party workers and leaders and people from different walks of life today went to meet Mr Simranjit Singh Mann, president of the SAD (A), at his native place Kila Harnam Dass at Talania village in the district.

Hectic activity could be witnessed at the residence of Mr Mann. Mr Mann who was taking rest was however, in high spirits and narrated the details of the incident at Kathunangal to everyone.

His son Iman Singh Mann, who saved his father by lying over him and also suffered injuries on his left hand and back, was attending to the party workers and leaders who came to inquire about the health of Mr Mann.

While talking to The Tribune Mr Mann urged the media to highlight the hooliganism committed by SAD (B) leaders and workers on peaceful SAD (A) workers at the behest of Sukhbir Badal and Parkash Singh Badal. He said, “A good hunter always shoots to kill a lion but if he wounds it then, it is capable of destroying that hunter. Similarly, I was within the shooting range of Badal but he never followed this golden rule, so it would cost him dearly”.

He also criticised Sucha Singh Langah, Bikramjit Singh Majithia, Rattan Singh Ajnala, Bonny Ajnala his son, Rajinder Singh Mehta and Virsa Singh Valthoa, one time close aide of Sant Bhindranwale. He said these leaders were the main ‘‘commanders’’ of the anti-social elements who attacked SAD (A) leaders and workers. He said circle Jathedar of SAD (A) had suffered a fracture in the skull and hundreds others had sustained injuries.

Mr Mann said he would neither make a complaint to Jathedar Akal Takht nor get an FIR registered as both the state government and Badal were hand in glove. ‘‘They lodged FIR against Badal men in Ludhiana incident but nothing has happened till today . No arrest, so what is the use of making a complaint when you won’t get justice’’.

The District Jatha of SAD (A) criticised the incident in its meeting and demanded action against Mr Badal and his men. They also condemned Jathedar Akal Takht for his partisan role.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061027/punjab1.htm#13

Things in Khalistan are heating up, but it has nothing to do with dollars and pounds raised abroad, much to the dismay of your spin-doctors.

Tronic
29 Oct 06,, 19:22
Things in Khalistan are heating up, but it has nothing to do with dollars and pounds raised abroad, much to the dismay of your spin-doctors.

hmm... are they??? Well, I have no clue about Khalistan, I tried but can't even find it anywhere on the world map....

now coming back to Punjab; hmmm... Haha!!! Chauhan... I wonder how he plans to create Khalistan by 2007; for that you need the support of Sikhs in Punjab; especially the youth.... and the youth in Punjab don't give a sh!t about Khalistan; and those born in and after the late 80s, don't even know what this Khalistan stuff is....

as for your "pto-Khalistani" supporters clashing with Badal's Akali Dal; well you fking dumb@ss; thats just political BS; those clashes had nothing to do with any Khalistani issues... thats just goons of one party beating the sh!t of goons from another party... (btw, why are the Khalistanis always getting their @ss kicked??? :biggrin:)

Srirangan
29 Oct 06,, 19:44
Indian Occupied Khalistan ....... LOL lovely! :)

KLF
30 Oct 06,, 00:44
as for your "pto-Khalistani" supporters clashing with Badal's Akali Dal; well you fking dumb@ss; thats just political BS; those clashes had nothing to do with any Khalistani issues... thats just goons of one party beating the sh!t of goons from another party... (btw, why are the Khalistanis always getting their @ss kicked??? :biggrin:)

You have no idea what you're talking about. The reason why these clashes between the SAD (Amritsar) and SAD (Badal) have started was because the Badal Dal had tried to stop Sadar Mann from giving pro-Khalistan speeches at functions organised by the SGPC. Badal wants to be viewed as the sole leader of the Sikhs and so works against all Panthic groups, especially those who are for Khalistan since this issue erodes Badal's credibility as a Panthic leader as he failed to resolve any of the outstanding issues between the Sikhs and India during his last reign as Chief Minister. Badal has also taken control of the SGPC and the Akal Takht which is the other reason why SAD (Amritsar) helped initiate the Gurdwara Sudhar Lehar II movement along with other Panthic groups.

Tronic
30 Oct 06,, 04:14
You have no idea what you're talking about. The reason why these clashes between the SAD (Amritsar) and SAD (Badal) have started was because the Badal Dal had tried to stop Sadar Mann from giving pro-Khalistan speeches at functions organised by the SGPC. Badal wants to be viewed as the sole leader of the Sikhs and so works against all Panthic groups, especially those who are for Khalistan since this issue erodes Badal's credibility as a Panthic leader as he failed to resolve any of the outstanding issues between the Sikhs and India during his last reign as Chief Minister. Badal has also taken control of the SGPC and the Akal Takht which is the other reason why SAD (Amritsar) helped initiate the Gurdwara Sudhar Lehar II movement along with other Panthic groups.
errmm... Mann would be arrested anyways if he made a pro-Khalistani speech... (or atleast I hope... these monkeys don't deserve a taste of democracy....). And as for Badal, I don't care what he wants to be viewed as... we don't give a damn who wants to represent Sikhs or not... If we see a man who seems fit to handle Punjab's water shortage problems and the like; thats where the vote goes... This Khalistani bullcr@p is just an invite for more problems which no one wants.... My vote is going to Capt. Amrinder Singh anyways... He made a lot of progress with Patiala; now, you can't tell the difference between Patiala and Chandigarh.... I don't know if he did enough for all of Punjab but its not like Badal did any better... and you should stop dreaming if you actually think Simranjit Singh Mann even has a chance of winning.... that bufoon contests in elections pointlessly....

KLF
30 Oct 06,, 11:23
I have no doubts that S. Simranjit Singh Mann will not become the next Chief Minister of Punjab since the electoral process is highly corrupted and even if S. Mann did become CM it is likely that New Delhi would dismiss his government and impose President's rule in the state. But despite the odds i still favor Mann Sahib and other pro-Khalistan politicians like Atinderpal Singh (Shiromani Akali Dal International) contesting in the PLA elections.

Oh yes. And i have no doubts that Capt. (Or is that 'Prince'?) Amrinder Singh showed favortism toward his own home town and spent all of the people's money on Patiala.

By the way, the Dal Khalsa will be honouring the family of Bhai Beant Singh in Jalandhar tomorrow. I think you should go to this function, the details are copied below:




Observing martyrdom day of Bhai Beant Singh

29 October 2006, SundayTo commemorate 22nd “martyrdom day” of Beant Singh, an assassin of Indira Gandhi, a function in his memory is being organized at Gurdwara Guru Teg Bahadur in Jalandhar on Oct 31 (Tuesday).

The organization has invited Jathedar of the Takht Damdama Sahib to pay tributes to Beant Singh, who was killed by the security guards on the spot, after he assassinated the then PM, Indira Gandhi, on Oct 31, 1984. Beant Singh, who punished Indira Gandhi to avenge the desecration of Darbar Sahib and Akal Takht, is a great martyr of a Sikh Nation.

Significantly, the participants would be leaders like SGPC members S Manjit Singh Calcutta and Karnail Singh Panjoli, Damdami Taksal spokesman Bhai Mokham Singh, Bhai Rajinder Singh of Khalsa Panchayat, Bhai Narien Singh of Akal Federation, Akali leader Bhai Jagjit Singh Gaba, leaders of various Sikh Students Federation including Ujjal Didar Singh and Bhai Balwant Singh Gopala.

The convention will be presided over by Jathedar Balwant Singh Nandgarh, who would honour the family members of Beant Singh. The Jathedar will also honour the family members of Ludhiana based Avtar Singh Gola, who was killed by cat-turned police inspector Gurmeet Singh Pinki 5 years ago. It is pertinent to mention that Pinki has been convicted for life by Haryana Court in the murder case of Avtar case last month.

We feel the family members of deceased deserve backing and appreciation for the courage and dedication they showed in nailing the person, who enjoyed the strong backing of police hierarchy.

Tronic
30 Oct 06,, 12:53
I have no doubts that S. Simranjit Singh Mann will not become the next Chief Minister of Punjab since the electoral process is highly corrupted and even if S. Mann did become CM it is likely that New Delhi would dismiss his government and impose President's rule in the state. But despite the odds i still favor Mann Sahib and other pro-Khalistan politicians like Atinderpal Singh (Shiromani Akali Dal International) contesting in the PLA elections.
Hah, is that the Khalistani reason why they loose elections??? I'll give you the real reason...... They loose because NO ONE VOTES FOR THEM!!!!


Oh yes. And i have no doubts that Capt. (Or is that 'Prince'?) Amrinder Singh showed favortism toward his own home town and spent all of the people's money on Patiala.
Yeah, I'll agree, He did..... But then again, most others before him (especially Badal) have shown favoritism toward their own homes rather then home towns.....


By the way, the Dal Khalsa will be honouring the family of Bhai Beant Singh in Jalandhar tomorrow. I think you should go to this function, the details are copied below:
Wow... Indian democracy lets you do such stuff???.... bravo!

KLF
01 Nov 06,, 10:29
This has been long overdue. It is also significant that the Jathedar of Damdama Sahib, one of the 5 Sikh high priests, awarded the status of martyr to Bhai Beant Singh.

What an embarrassment for the Indian government and Congress-led Punjab government.

Tronic
01 Nov 06,, 12:43
Congrats... its funny at the lengths you Khalistanis have to go to for a little bit of publicity.... too bad Khalistanis won't honour any of the Nihang warriors that fought for justice and even gave up their life against those puking terrorists.... Well, see, you guys should learn to stay in your holes... Because everytime we come out to play, you end up running your @sses inside a holy place... :frown: