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Confed999
03 Apr 04,, 17:21
Child Faces Charges After Fight Over Snack Cake

GREENSBORO, N.C. -- A North Carolina fifth-grader has been charged with assault for knocking out a boy in a school bus fight over a snack cake.

The principal of Cone Elementary School in Greensboro said 9-year-old Kevin Logan had skipped breakfast and when he got on the bus, he began eating a Little Debbie Zebra Cake, because he was hungry.

According to the principal, when the boy sitting next to him asked for a bite, Kevin said no and was smacked in the face with a stuffed Tweety Bird. Kevin hit back, but was slammed against a window and hit in the back. Then he fell in the aisle and was stomped.

School officials said when the bus driver pulled the aggressor off him, Kevin was unconscious.

He was treated at a hospital for minor injuries and released.

His mother said he loves Zebra Cakes, but said it's a shame "it got to this point over something like that."

Original Story (http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2969316/detail.html)

Confed999
03 Apr 04,, 17:23
Those are some tasty cakes though. :00

Trooth
04 Apr 04,, 23:31
Something wrong when a kid knocks another out over them though.

Perhaps i am being dim, i don't get the socialist bit?

Confed999
04 Apr 04,, 23:57
Originally posted by Trooth
Perhaps i am being dim, i don't get the socialist bit?
You will share, or we will make you share.

Trooth
05 Apr 04,, 01:01
Ah.

I would say future thug myself.

Ray
05 Apr 04,, 01:29
Confed,

I reckon your definintion would be more apt to describe a Communist.

Confed999
05 Apr 04,, 01:44
Originally posted by Trooth
I would say future thug myself.
Only if he wanted the whole thing, the punk only wanted a bite.

Originally posted by Ray
I reckon your definintion would be more apt to describe a Communist.
Socialists take it in taxes, Communists give you a piece and call it your share, same thing in the end. ;)

Bill
05 Apr 04,, 07:25
I agree confed.

If socailism were beer it would be called "Commie light".

Trooth
05 Apr 04,, 14:30
Originally posted by Confed999
Only if he wanted the whole thing, the punk only wanted a bite.

A piece or all, it doesn't matter he used violence to achieve his own selfish ends. A thug.

Ray
05 Apr 04,, 16:20
Originally posted by M21Sniper
I agree confed.

If socailism were beer it would be called "Commie light".

:w00t :sniper :D

Confed999
05 Apr 04,, 19:08
Originally posted by M21Sniper
If socailism were beer it would be called "Commie light".
ROTFL :LOL

Originally posted by Trooth
A piece or all, it doesn't matter he used violence to achieve his own selfish ends. A thug.
Ok, Socialists are thugs. I didn't want to come right out and say it, but hey. :00

Trooth
05 Apr 04,, 19:20
There are certainly some socialist thugs. Definitely. Go and look at any picket line.

Mind you, look on the other side of the shouting. There are thugs there too.

At his age that kid is just a bully. In ten years time, he will be a thug. It'll be interesting to see if can grasp a political persuasion one way or the other.

Confed999
05 Apr 04,, 19:36
Originally posted by Trooth
There are certainly some socialist thugs.
Socialism takes what one group has worked for, and gives it to a group that refuses to work. It does this at gun point, sounds like they're all thugs.

Originally posted by Trooth
Mind you, look on the other side of the shouting. There are thugs there too.
At least they don't try to hide their greed under the guise of bettering society, something Socialism doesn't do anyway, they just make people dependant.

Trooth
05 Apr 04,, 19:47
Blimey, you got some pretty strong socialists in your neck of the woods. The mob near me occaisionally throw a live pamphlet through my letterbox, never ehard of any using guns.

The toehr side may not be greedy, or they may be. But in amongst them there will be people only there because of the confrontation.

Confed999
05 Apr 04,, 19:57
Originally posted by Trooth
Blimey, you got some pretty strong socialists in your neck of the woods. The mob near me occaisionally throw a live pamphlet through my letterbox, never ehard of any using guns.

The toehr side may not be greedy, or they may be. But in amongst them there will be people only there because of the confrontation.
Is your government Socialist? Not yet, but there are Socialist programs taking money from your pockets. What happens if you don't pay? That's right, people with guns come and take you away. We don't have strong Socialists here because a few of us still don't believe the government is mother and father.

Trooth
05 Apr 04,, 20:12
If i don't pay i would be extremely surprised if anyone with a gun turned up.

My goverment is "New Labour" which is purple, as opposed to the red of Labour. It is of course the same party. But with added spin doctors. And an aversion to socialism, or as least using the S word. Well except for the phrase "Social Justice" - and then it has justice on the end so i guess they prefer that. I can't describe what is actually is. The platitude "third way" rather startingly seems to be the best description. Which i think sums them up.

But, having said that. I had my ECG today, with only a 10 minute wait, so they did something right today. Well done them.

ChrisF202
05 Apr 04,, 23:34
Originally posted by Trooth
If i don't pay i would be extremely surprised if anyone with a gun turned up.

My goverment is "New Labour" which is purple, as opposed to the red of Labour. It is of course the same party. But with added spin doctors. And an aversion to socialism, or as least using the S word. Well except for the phrase "Social Justice" - and then it has justice on the end so i guess they prefer that. I can't describe what is actually is. The platitude "third way" rather startingly seems to be the best description. Which i think sums them up.

But, having said that. I had my ECG today, with only a 10 minute wait, so they did something right today. Well done them.
10 minutes? Im in the hospital for half a day when I need my heart testing, its insane, half the patients dont even speak English

Confed999
05 Apr 04,, 23:56
Originally posted by Trooth
If i don't pay i would be extremely surprised if anyone with a gun turned up.
So are there no taxes there, or you just don't have to pay them? I want to live there then. :00

Originally posted by Trooth
But, having said that. I had my ECG today, with only a 10 minute wait, so they did something right today. Well done them.
I usually have a doctor do my ECG, but if there are no lines for the government to do it instead, whatever, but I still want a doctor to do mine. (I actually can't figure out what your statement has to do with government.)

Trooth
06 Apr 04,, 00:02
Tehre are taxes, but they tend not to be enforced at gun point. Rough neighboured yours? Are OCP your tax collectors or something? :)

My comment was that whilst my government might not actually be easy to pin down as to what it stands for, or what it actually means when it says something. Or for that matter if it even said what everyone thinks it said. And eve if it has largely turned its back on its roots and where its support and funding comes from. Even though it has taken a lot of stick recently (University Fees, War in Iraq, WMD, Immigration), it very definitely got something right in my small insignificant life, because the state hospital (with doctors etc) sorted me out in 30 minutes from "soup to nuts" as i believe you chaps say. I can't criticise it all the time, was my point.

Confed999
06 Apr 04,, 00:40
Originally posted by Trooth
Tehre are taxes, but they tend not to be enforced at gun point.
Then how do they get you to pay them? The government couldn't get me to do anything, like pay them months worth of my money, without threat of imprisonment. I'm sure it's the same there, or nobody, except the truly wasteful, would pay.

Originally posted by Trooth
Rough neighboured yours? Are OCP your tax collectors or something? :)
The government is the tax collector.

Originally posted by Trooth
it very definitely got something right in my small insignificant life, because the state hospital (with doctors etc) sorted me out in 30 minutes from "soup to nuts" as i believe you chaps say. I can't criticise it all the time, was my point.
Never had to wait for my doctor either, but I don't go to Socialized medicine hospitals, so your mileage may vary.

Trooth
06 Apr 04,, 23:53
I would be imprisoned if i failed to pay tax. Because i don't have enough cash for the kind of lawyer that can prevent that. But, i am not sure my arresting officir would be armed. Although i concede they would "know a man who was".

Financially, i am in a situation where i could minimise my tax "commitment" to a quite small amount. But i grew up in an environment where my education was "free", my healthcare was "free" and so on. Therefore i choose not to minimise my tax burden through"loophole" means as i feel others should have the same opportunities i did.
But that is me. I am sure lots of people would call me a mug. Sometimes when i think of the amount of tax i pay, i consider myself a mug. But thats often the problem with principles.

However, theft and violence are, in my opinion, signs of a thug. He might become a socialist thug, or he might become a capitalist thug. But if he continues that approach through life, he would simply be a thug and not someone you want hanging around your daughter, no matter what his poltiical persuasion is.

Praxus
07 Apr 04,, 00:17
Under Capitalism (Laissiez Faire) the use of force and fraud our banned.

If a person innitiates the use of force or fraud they are not Capitalist.

Trooth
07 Apr 04,, 00:25
Sorry, my physiocracy is weak. Whatever the "good guys" to which someone must belong to ascribe a thug to be a socialist, he could be one of them too.

Confed999
07 Apr 04,, 03:45
Originally posted by Trooth
But i grew up in an environment where my education was "free", my healthcare was "free" and so on.
That's all "free" here too, but if you have a few bucks you can do better.

Originally posted by Trooth
However, theft and violence are, in my opinion, signs of a thug. He might become a socialist thug, or he might become a capitalist thug.
And that's where his demands come into play. He is a Socialist thug because all he wanted was a bite. He would have been a Capitalist thug if he had beat the kid up for buying Little Debbie's snack cake instead of his brand. If he was a Communist thug he would have taken all of the cakes on the bus, cut them into equal pieces and distributed them to everyone on the bus.

Bill
07 Apr 04,, 09:18
"If he was a Communist thug he would have taken all of the cakes on the bus, cut them into equal pieces and distributed them to everyone on the bus."

Incorrect. A commie thug would have taken them all, lost half of them in the process, and then distributed 50% of the remaining snacks to everyone, and kept the other 50% of the remainder for the party elite.

Ray
07 Apr 04,, 18:29
Sorry Sniper. If he was a Commie, he would ahve distributed it equally toall but after a couple of days till it got stale (since he would he checking who should ahve got it as per the State statistics) and then blamed the capitalist for giving stale cake!:D

Bill
07 Apr 04,, 23:53
LOL....the truth lies in a combonation of all three explanations methinx. ;)

I hate fucking communists. Socailists are a close runner up.

Praxus
08 Apr 04,, 00:08
He is a Socialist thug because all he wanted was a bite. He would have been a Capitalist thug if he had beat the kid up for buying Little Debbie's snack cake instead of his brand.

Will people PLEASE look up what Capitalism is before making a stupid comment like this.

A FASCIST thug would do what you said, a Capitalist Thug doesn't exsist because by being a "thug" you are rejecting what Capitalism in the most basic sense stands for.

I hate all collectivism equally...

Fascism, Nazism, Communism, Marxism, Theocracy, Socialism, Statism, [pure] Democracy, [pure] Republicanism, etc...

Even supposed Capitalist bust on Capitalism by attacking Capitalism for something it can not be responsible for.


LOL....the truth lies in a combonation of all three explanations methinx. ;)


No a communist thug would shoot the person in the head, steel his cake, eat all of it, and then blame the persueing hunger on the evil capitalist.

Confed999
08 Apr 04,, 01:28
Originally posted by Praxus
Will people PLEASE look up what Capitalism is before making a stupid comment like this.

Capitalists initiate force in preemptive wars to protect their resources. Many Capitalists have resorted to force for business territory. Sure it's not allowed, but that's never stopped anyone before. Al Capone was selling booze and "insurance", he was in competition with other "companies" and a part of that business was "eleminating the competition". Capone wasn't a Fascist, he didn't care what regular people thought or did, he was a thug that thought he was a businessman.

I would say, if it were a Fascist thug, he beat up the other kid because the other kid was a dissimilar race. He then tossed the cake out to keep getting any filthy {insert race here} germs.

Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism
Pronunciation: 'ka-p&-t&l-"iz-&m, 'kap-t&l-, British also k&-'pi-t&l-
Function: noun
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

Praxus
08 Apr 04,, 02:14
Capitalists initiate force in preemptive wars to protect their resources. Many Capitalists have resorted to force for business territory.


Excuse me, name me one war perpatrated by a Laissiez Faire nation against another Laissiez Faire nation to protect resources in that country.

Oh wait it has never happened because there has only been one nation that has been historicly close to Lassiez Faire and that is the United States in the late 19th Century. Which also by the way happens to be the most peaceful time in American history.


Sure it's not allowed, but that's never stopped anyone before. Al Capone was selling booze and "insurance", he was in competition with other "companies" and a part of that business was "eleminating the competition". Capone wasn't a Fascist, he didn't care what regular people thought or did, he was a thug that thought he was a businessman.

"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. "

The definition of fascism fits far better then the definition of Capitalism.

Calling him a Capitalist is absord, you are ignoring the fact that Capitalism is the system of Lassiez faire first brought into being nationaly by Thomas Jefferson in 1800. The system of Lassiez Faire BANS the initiation of force and fraud.

Thomas Jefferson sums up the system very well...

"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, 1801


Capitalism was just the name Karl Marx gave to it, in an attempt to discredit the system by giving it a negitive name.

Confed999
08 Apr 04,, 03:08
Originally posted by Praxus
Excuse me, name me one war perpatrated by a Laissiez Faire nation against another Laissiez Faire nation to protect resources in that country.

Oh wait it has never happened because there has only been one nation that has been historicly close to Lassiez Faire and that is the United States in the late 19th Century. Which also by the way happens to be the most peaceful time in American history.
Sorry, I thought we were talking about the real world and not perfect world. BTW, if there was only ever 1 Capitalist nation, then they could attack anyone they wanted and still not be initiating force huh? Whatever...

Originally posted by Praxus
Calling him a Capitalist is absord
If you read what I wrote, you'll notice it's not me that believes he's a business man. Though everything in the definition of Capitalism I posted fits, if you turn your head at a 45 degree angle. :)

Originally posted by Praxus
you are ignoring the fact that Capitalism is the system of Lassiez faire first brought into being nationaly by Thomas Jefferson in 1800. The system of Lassiez Faire BANS the initiation of force and fraud.
No, I'm not ignoring it, I'm living here in the real world where Capitalists aren't what TJ describes, they are a bit more like what KM describes. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the "true" definition of the word, but such is life.

Praxus
08 Apr 04,, 03:28
Sorry, I thought we were talking about the real world and not perfect world. BTW, if there was only ever 1 Capitalist nation, then they could attack anyone they wanted and still not be initiating force huh? Whatever...

quote:

A [pure] Capitalist nation has never existed, but anyone who advocates it, is a capitalist. You can be a socialist and a buisness leader, just being a Buisnessman doesn't inherantly make you a Capitalist contrary to Mr. Marx's delusionas.

Anything besides a Lassiez Faire nation by it's very nature innitiates the use of force. Give me an example of one that doesn't?

This being said if there was only 1 Capitalist nation it would have the moral right to attack anyone who threatens the rights of citizens.


No, I'm not ignoring it, I'm living here in the real world where Capitalists aren't what TJ describes, they are a bit more like what KM describes. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the "true" definition of the word, but such is life.

A capitalist is someone who supports the system of Laissiez Faire, you can not just claim a Capitalist is whoever you want it to be to justify your argument.

Confed999
08 Apr 04,, 04:30
Originally posted by Praxus
you can not just claim a Capitalist is whoever you want it to be to justify your argument.
Ok, replace Capitalist with market economist if you must.

Trooth
11 Apr 04,, 00:54
We are agreed then, anyone can be a thug! :)