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Major_Armstrong
15 Mar 04,, 04:38
A Muslim's prayer

Many liberal/left-wing people insist Islam is a peaceful religion and if you disagree they often compare your "racism" to Nazism (even if Islam is a religion not a race). Judaism was never a proselytizing religion. There are only about 10-12 million Jews left in the world. There are about 2 billion Christians and about 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. They say Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, but the real reason for that is considered politically incorrect to admit to by some people. See what some of the fundamentalist Muslims say here. I scanned a copy of a thread I printed out from Taliban Online, before the site disappeared. Here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/TalibanOnline1.html


Look at Guest's prayer at apostatesofislam.com:



Azad,Holaco,

Hope you 2 die and rot in hell. But I won't have to pray for it cuz I know it's gonna happen anyway u pigs.

You have no knowledge at all on the truthful teachings of Islam. Anyway, if the British bastards ban slaughtering animals, there's always fish and other foods that don't need to be slaughtered. And slaughtered food can always be impoterd you freaks!

I pray one day that someone slices Azad's throat and leaves him to die. And one stuns Holaco to death... Then you can compare all day in hell and see that Azad reached their 1st.


http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51


I used to go to church myself years ago. I've been an agnostic Christian more or less most of my life. I can't believe someone who claims to believe that Moses and Jesus were prophets would pray like this.

Major_Armstrong
15 Mar 04,, 04:43
apostatesofislam.com, who they are:

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm

Officer of Engineers
15 Mar 04,, 07:45
You do realize that Turkey, the second biggest military in NATO and an American ally is Islamic.

Ray
15 Mar 04,, 09:39
Major,

I am no votary for any religious fanatic.

Have you ever confronted a cornered cat? If all continue to corner the Muslims, they will ALL become terrorists. That would be living in hell.

Give them a chance and reform them, if you can, with compassion and love and geently point out to them the fallacies that you feel that should be played down.

Christ did not convert so many through the sword. He it it with compassion!

Trooth
15 Mar 04,, 13:26
The problem here is that your opening statement mentions 1.2 billion Muslims. Now, can a few quotes really be representative?

Have you never heard hate preached by Christians? I have. Have you heard it preached by Jews. Well i have. What about Agnostics? Ohh yes, there are a few of them filled with hate to. And then there are the atheists.

And so on.

By the same token of the 300m people in Nroth America, or perhaps the 300m in Europe are, clearly, all infidels who wake up each morning with nothing but a desire to "slot a few rag heads". It must be true. I reckon i could find a few websites and a few posts that "prove it".

And it is a fact of life that it is the extremists that push their opinions forward.

The point i am trying to make? Well you can akways find a few nutters from any groups to use as a sterotype for the rest.

Lunatock
15 Mar 04,, 16:40
Hello Major Armstrong, 1.2 billioner here. In case you never noticed my title, which is a joke about being a Mullah.

And I sometimes go by the name of Fahad, or Lynx. Maybe some irony to being asked if you ever cornered a cat. :)

Ray
15 Mar 04,, 18:27
Lunastock,

What exactly do you mean?

I sure would not like to corner a Lynx.

Confed999
15 Mar 04,, 23:52
Originally posted by Ray
Christ did not convert so many through the sword. He it it with compassion!
Compassion will only take one so far before it becomes a liability. Compassion shouldn't be discarded, but some times it comes down to the sword.

"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
he is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
he hath loosed the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword;
his truth is marching on." - Battle Hymn Of The Republic, Julia Ward Howe, 1861

Lunatock
16 Mar 04,, 01:13
Originally posted by Ray
Lunastock,

What exactly do you mean?

I sure would not like to corner a Lynx.

Um...means I am one of the 1.2 billion Muslims? And got a kick out of you using the phrase "cornering a cat", since Fahad, or Lynx, is a surname.

P.s. say it with me. Lunatock. Lunatock Lunatttttttttock! :)

Ray
16 Mar 04,, 08:05
Lunatock,

If you are a Muslim, you are the cutest' loveable and funniest Muslim on either side of the Suez. God Bless you!

Confed,

Read the Bible and take heart. History has proved that the Crusades was a failure. Patient missionaries were a success. Mother Teresa, who converted many without fanfare should be your beacon.

May God Bless you too!

All Muslims are NOT BUMs. Some are, who are Terrorists. Kick the hell out of them, if you wish.

Lest you misunderstand, I am not a follower of Islam. Though I Slam for Islam when I find it is not being fair and it is verring off the pinciples of the Christian faith. And I am not a priest of ANY religion.

God Bless You, children. Forgive them Father for they.....!

Confed999
16 Mar 04,, 13:53
Originally posted by Ray
Patient missionaries were a success.
If they were a success, we wouldn't be where we are now. I don't blame ALL of any group for the actions of a few, but it seems the majority are silently supporting the terrorists by not speaking against them. They support tyrants that slaughter their own kind because they believe said tyrants are standing against the US. When I don't see thouands celibrating the purposeful killing of children and instead see them call for it to end that's when they will earn my respect and loyalty. But they're still celibrating...

I have several Bibles, and I read them quite often, though I am not Christian.

Ray
16 Mar 04,, 18:35
Confed,

if you are not a Christian, what are you? Don't mind my asking you a personal question. You needn't answer.

The Christian misionaries have done excellently well in spread the word of Christ. They are still spreading it. Unfortuantely, some of it is by allurement, which I don't appreciate since the good word does not require money. Convince people by good deeds. Money is evil. Yet, who am I to judge. Each to himself.

Are you aware that the best batsman of Pakistan is a Christian? Yohanna?

Confed999
17 Mar 04,, 01:37
Originally posted by Ray
if you are not a Christian, what are you? Don't mind my asking you a personal question. You needn't answer.
I don't mind at all, but the answer is too complicated to write. I will do my best to answer though. I am the closest to being a Deist ( http://www.deism.org/faq.htm ), unlike the normal Deist I accept the uplifting and good lessons of every religon I can find with good and uplifting lessons. I do not assume to know the nature of God, but I'm certain she gave us our intelligence, strength, love and compassion to help others and to stand against evil, no matter what form it may take.

Originally posted by Ray
The Christian misionaries have done excellently well in spread the word of Christ. They are still spreading it.
They sure are, but terrorism is still winning. Misionaries are great for normal, rational people... the others need the threat of the sword.

Originally posted by Ray
Money is evil.
Nah, people are evil. Without people money is just more metal, paper and plastic.

Ray
17 Mar 04,, 05:35
Confed,

You would get a Doctorate in Metaphysics.:D

Confed999
18 Mar 04,, 06:01
Originally posted by Ray
Confed,

You would get a Doctorate in Metaphysics.:D
I may just be crazy. ;)
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Ray
18 Mar 04,, 06:21
Originally posted by Confed999
I may just be crazy. ;)
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Not really.

Behind your ultra right wing thoughts and your philosophy of life, you are actually a near socialist at heart since you root for the illegals and the Cuban exiles [that is if I have understood your right]. Further you like good life and money means nothing to you [your holiday in Dutchland]. BTW the photos were great.

On the other hand, I would be branded a socialist by your standards, yet I am conservative but I strongly believe in morality and justice even if it is not in my favour.

Go ahead and haul me over the coals. Maybe Mel would make another film like Passion on me!:D I am dying to see this film even though I haven't seen one for ages.

Confed999
18 Mar 04,, 23:13
Originally posted by Ray
Behind your ultra right wing thoughts and your philosophy of life, you are actually a near socialist at heart
Hey! I never call you names!!! :) Oooooo, could I be an ultra-neo-con? The mere mention of such a thing would scare the left 1/2 to death! ;) Ok, seriously, I'm not really a socialist because I don't trust the government. I don't like government control over things I can take care of myself. I am willing to give up security for liberty.

Originally posted by Ray
since you root for the illegals and the Cuban exiles [that is if I have understood you right].
Close, I'm for the Cubans because Castro's Cuba is evil. The US government has stated that any non-criminal Cubans that make it to US soil are instantly on their way to being citizens of the US. My problem would have to be with the US for making the offer, not the Cubans that accept it. Standard illegals are just criminals to me, UNLESS, they come from any enemy country (i.e. North Koreans should be welcome here in my honest opinion). Everyone else should fill out the proper paperwork, learn to speak American (not English, this isn't England), learn and be tested on the history and meaning of the ideals of the United States of America, and swear their loyalty to the Constitution. Legal immigrants, I like 'em... I love 'em,... I want more of 'em! Illegals should be caught, investigated, and at the very least, jailed and deported.

Originally posted by Ray
Further you like good life and money means nothing to you [your holiday in Dutchland]. BTW the photos were great.
You're right money means very little to me, and that's a good thing because I sure ain't rich. You know even if I had a billion dollars I would still live like a redneck, I'd just have more crap in my yard. :) I'm glad you enjoyed the vacation pics, I'll be adding more after this year's trip in late July. I believe it will be my last trip to Europe until supersonic transport becomes standard, my back and knees just can't take the 10 hour flights and my bank account doesn't need to get any smaller.

Originally posted by Ray
On the other hand, I would be branded a socialist by your standards, yet I am conservative but I strongly believe in morality and justice even if it is not in my favour.
A belief in morality and justice doesn't preclude you from being a socialist. The only real problem I have is with the socialists that want to make me be socialist too! The socialists that go-go their way, and let me go-go my way, are fine.
:dbanana

Originally posted by Ray
Go ahead and haul me over the coals.
Not me. And if I see anyone try it, by God, they'll have to go through me to get to you my friend.

Originally posted by Ray
Maybe Mel would make another film like Passion on me!:D I am dying to see this film even though I haven't seen one for ages.
I have this rule about movies with sub-titles so, unless a pretty young lady charms me, I'll probably never see it.

Ray
19 Mar 04,, 02:35
Confed,

You are a real good sport.

I wanted to get your goat with that 'socialist' business since you dislike that word intensely or so I noticed. You win. I lose.

I of course can't be a US citizen even if I wanted given your stipilations of knowing American English. The remainder would not be a problem. I know English English even though India is not England. The only American English I know of is the 'comic book English' of the wild west. Slap Leather buddy (spits a wad of tobacco, shoots, blows the smoke of the six shooter and calmly walks away. The rest of the town gapes in astonishment at the grreeased lightening shot). Hiyo Silver Away! That was Lone (St)ranger Kemo Sabay with his sidekick Tonto.
:D

Confed999
19 Mar 04,, 04:24
Originally posted by Ray
You are a real good sport.

I wanted to get your goat with that 'socialist' business since you dislike that word intensely or so I noticed. You win. I lose.
LOL, I never even suspected goat getting. I guess it's a draw. ;) I don't mind socialists, communists, whatever-ists, as long as I'm not required to join in. I think it would be great to have every type of government available for people to choose from.

Originally posted by Ray
I of course can't be a US citizen even if I wanted given your stipilations of knowing American English. The remainder would not be a problem. I know English English even though India is not England. The only American English I know of is the 'comic book English' of the wild west. Slap Leather buddy (spits a wad of tobacco, shoots, blows the smoke of the six shooter and calmly walks away. The rest of the town gapes in astonishment at the grreeased lightening shot). Hiyo Silver Away! That was Lone (St)ranger Kemo Sabay with his sidekick Tonto.
:D
Nobody cooler than the Lone Ranger. :) From what I read you'd do fine. ;)

Officer of Engineers
19 Mar 04,, 04:49
Tonto was a Canadian.

Ray
19 Mar 04,, 09:24
What intrigues me is that why is the world against Muslims.

They maybe dogmatic, but then so are others.

Never lose your Faith or be apologetic. Temper it with reason with the current environmental and social conditions and not live in the Dark Ages.

To live in the Age when the religious texts were written would be downright stupid and an insult to the intellect.

May I add, with no disrespect to anyone, all Muslims are not idiots and fanatics. Osama may be one, but not all.

Lunatock
19 Mar 04,, 15:59
Originally posted by Ray
What intrigues me is that why is the world against Muslims.

They maybe dogmatic, but then so are others.

Never lose your Faith or be apologetic. Temper it with reason with the current environmental and social conditions and not live in the Dark Ages.

To live in the Age when the religious texts were written would be downright stupid and an insult to the intellect.

May I add, with no disrespect to anyone, all Muslims are not idiots and fanatics. Osama may be one, but not all.

Anyone remember Carpenturr? Or better yet, read the hate he spews on UN Man's Support of Terror BBS?

Facist POS deserves that site, which is made for Facist POS's, crooked Admin's and Mod's, and Terrorism supporting Arabs that get to say whatever the hell they want, but you have to be nice to them or UN Man will delete your post.

Ray
19 Mar 04,, 18:18
Lunatock.

The Muslims maybe a pain in the wrong side of the human anatomy.

They live in the Dark Age because of their Kortanic injunctions. They have no choice. Educate them. Don't hate them.

Imagine the Muslim of my coutnry know the Koran by heart but in Arabic. Interestingly, they no Arabic and so they are clueless as to what they are reciting.

How more stupid can you get?

Confed999
19 Mar 04,, 18:39
Originally posted by Ray
What intrigues me is that why is the world against Muslims.
It's simple, because the so-called moderate Muslims are not being vocal enough. Until they speak up as a group they're part of the problem.

visioninthedark
19 Mar 04,, 18:47
Ray you are absolutely right;

also, let me add ... there are 73 different sects in islam and all of them are peaceful EXCEPT ONE SECT ...

the saudi inspired ... saudi funded Wahabbis ... this is the sect that ALL those who carry out terror belong to ... all of them are wahabbis ...

you see, they are a relatively new sect in islam that started in the late 1800's by a figure called Abdul Wahab ... and he formed a sort of cult around himself ... this sect was then adopted as the offial sect of saudi and has continued till this day ...

this sect has practically declared all OTHER MUSLIMS as "unbelievers" and that according to them it wouldn't be forbidden for a wahabbi to use force against other such islamic "unbelievers" ...
the west has experienced this wahabbi terror only recently ... while other muslims have been experiencing it for a century nearly now ...

visioninthedark
19 Mar 04,, 18:51
Originally posted by Confed999
It's simple, because the so-called moderate Muslims are not being vocal enough. Until they speak up as a group they're part of the problem.

Absolutely right ... there are people who are NOW trying to rectify this ...

People like Musharraf of Pakistan are working overtime within Pakistan speaking against this arab-inspire narrow-minded arabic extremism ...

Lunatock
20 Mar 04,, 02:43
Originally posted by Ray
Lunatock.

The Muslims maybe a pain in the wrong side of the human anatomy.

They live in the Dark Age because of their Kortanic injunctions. They have no choice. Educate them. Don't hate them.

Imagine the Muslim of my coutnry know the Koran by heart but in Arabic. Interestingly, they no Arabic and so they are clueless as to what they are reciting.

How more stupid can you get?

I'm not sure how some of your countrymen could be any stupider. Though I was referring to an EZBoard site that started out a pro-american site, supports the war on terror. But seems to have sunk to about the same despotic level as Islamic Militants.

"Be carefull you don't become what you fight against".

Ray
20 Mar 04,, 02:57
What are those 73 different sects? I think if you could enumerate them, it might be some education for me at least since I didn't know that there are so many of sects.

Of course, I know about the Wahabis. One of them assassinated a Viceroy of India right on the steps of the Viceregal Palace!

visioninthedark
24 Mar 04,, 16:38
Ray;

in the limited time I had, I googled and can provide you links to the following sites that shed some light on the various sects within muslims;

this site gives a list of all the 72 sects;

http://www.real-islam.org/73_8.htm

here is another site;

http://www.carm.org/islam/divisions.htm

and another one;

http://www.muslimhope.com/sectsofislam.htm

may I kindly request you to google for further information.

Thanks.

Confed999
24 Mar 04,, 23:42
Originally posted by visioninthedark
in the limited time I had, I googled and can provide you links to the following sites that shed some light on the various sects within muslims... may I kindly request you to google for further information.
Not everyone can be a master of Google-Fu. ;) Thanks for the links.

Ray
29 Mar 04,, 15:52
Confed,

I confess I am not a master of Google, though I can Google. I am a master of the GOOGLY. Don't ask me what that is. Just Google and get the answer! ;)

Praxus
29 Mar 04,, 17:04
They live in the Dark Age because of their Kortanic injunctions. They have no choice. Educate them. Don't hate them.

Even without an education you still have the capacity to reason, they do have a choice.

Trooth
29 Mar 04,, 22:15
I agree. Quite often i am baffled by the attitudes that people often have to each other. but i assume i also baffling.

The major problem is that we are all pretty, by and large, products of our environment. If i had been born elsewhere, i would think differently. If my parents had thought very differently then so would i, i expect.

Major_Armstrong
03 May 04,, 02:58
They live in the Dark Age because of their Koranic injunctions. They have no choice. Educate them. Don't hate them.


Even without an education you still have the capacity to reason, they do have a choice.


Brainwashed people have less capacity to reason than educated people. We must liberate them all, step by step.

Ray
03 May 04,, 05:40
Brainwashed people have less capacity to reason than educated people. We must liberate them all, step by step.

Everyone is brainwashed. Heard of the KKK? Does it mean that all Christians are KKK? Because they string the Blacks to the trees, and if there were a powerful African superpower (for arguments sake), does it mean that they have the right to decalre war on all Christians just because of a handful of KKK, the neo Nazis of Europe who are in every European country?

I don't think so.

Christianity's foundation is on spreading brotherhood and love and not the utter tripe tht is spread by the KKK type of so called Christians.

Confed999
03 May 04,, 05:59
Does it mean that all Christians are KKK?
Most of the KKK, and other white power morons, aren't Christians. They found out Jesus was a Jew. I get your point though. ;)

Ray
03 May 04,, 06:18
Confed,

Wherever it is written 'Abou Ben Adhem' replace it with 'Rob'.

Abou Ben Adhem

Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
And saw, within the moonlight in his room,
Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,
An Angel writing in a book of gold:
Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
And to the Presence in the room he said,
"What writest thou?" The Vision raised its head,
And with a look made of all sweet accord
Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."
"And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"
Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low,
But cheerily still; and said, "I pray thee, then,
Write me as one who loves his fellow men."
The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night
It came again with a great wakening light,
And shoed the names whom love of God had blessed,
And, lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest!
Leigh Hunt (1784-1859)

Jay
03 May 04,, 06:21
Brainwashed people have less capacity to reason than educated people. We must liberate them all, step by step.
liberation...scared of this word :eek:

Confed999
03 May 04,, 07:26
And shoed the names whom love of God had blessed,
And, lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest!

That is very interesting. Something I had never heard. I doubt I would top any lists though. There is so much I am bitter about. There are times I have cursed the name of God herself, and I still do not regret it. There are things I will never forgive. I'm certain these are things God is against, but I do love God, and I do feel blessed, I'm just sure I'm closer to the bottom of the list.