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  • Qatar holds Russian suspects

    Qataris hold Russian intellgence agents

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3519475.stm

    ...and by an odd cooincidence... Posted 2-29-2004 15:17

    The Russians just grabbed two members of the Qatari Wrestling team
    in Moscow....

    Funny how those Russians work..

    Russia accused of holding two wrestlers

    Doha
    March 1, 2004


    Russia is reported to have detained two Qatar citizens - the day after
    the Doha Government announced it had charged two Russians for the
    murder of a former rebel Chechen leader, sparking fury in Moscow.


    The state news agency quoted a Qatari Foreign Ministry official as
    saying the ministry was in touch with Russian authorities over the
    arrest of the two Qataris, both of whom were members of the national
    wrestling team.


    It said they were seized at Moscow airport on Thursday, the day Qatar
    said it had charged two Russians with involvement in a car blast that
    killed Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev in the tiny Gulf Arab state on February
    13.


    "They were detained on arrival in Moscow airport from Belarus on their
    way to Serbia to participate in the qualifying tournament to prepare for
    the 2004 Olympic Games," the agency said.

  • #2
    So the Qataris arrested 2 Russians who killed a terrorist?
    Interesting...

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    • #3
      Russia tried to imitate the big boys (Mossad, Cia) and thier agents got caught, also interesting.


      Does thier happen to be a Chechen you wouldn't label a terrorist? (Including the exile in Vilinuis that *GASP* allowed me into her apartment, cooked me a free meal, and cleaned my boots. :P)


      And what do you have to say about those Qatari's on thier way to try out for the Olympics in Serbia being detained? Spitefull and bratty Russia? Or did thier heavy handedness just bite them in the ass?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lunatock
        Russia tried to imitate the big boys (Mossad, Cia) and thier agents got caught, also interesting.


        Big boys?
        Puh-fucking-lease, the KGB carried out so many successful operations the CIA and the Mossad would seem like amateurs compared to them. And who told you that those detained are the FSB operatives that put the swine out of his misery?
        Ever heard of Tadj Bek, the capture of Kabul? That is just one example of how the KGB can conduct successful MILITARY operations. 23 years later the CIA fucked up when simply interrogating prisoners of war in the same country, and a fiasco was only averted because Dostun send droves of soldiers to quell the uprisisng.


        Does thier happen to be a Chechen you wouldn't label a terrorist? (Including the exile in Vilinuis that *GASP* allowed me into her apartment, cooked me a free meal, and cleaned my boots.)


        So, you met a Chechen?
        Big deal... I met and know dozens more than you do. And yes, cooking a free meal and allowing people into apartments is a phenomenon called *hospitality*, something many Americans and Westerners know little about.
        Yandarbiev was the one who gave Basaev and his gang of thugs the funds to carry out the Budenovsk terrorist raid into Russia, if you weren't aware of that. That piece of shit is better off dead.

        And what do you have to say about those Qatari's on thier way to try out for the Olympics in Serbia being detained? Spitefull and bratty Russia? Or did thier heavy handedness just bite them in the ass?
        I DON'T CARE?

        PS: Get off the high horse, your hatred of Russia on these boards is taking you nowhere, if you hate Russia so much why don't you go join the "Chechen Eagles" hiding out in caves in the Caucasus mountains.

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        • #5
          The KGB is dead and their military including the KGB is in pathetic shape.

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          • #6
            well, its called tit for tat.

            One mans hero is another man's terrorist.

            It's better to stay out of this political game, Russia is not a tin pot dictatorship, if you want to have their wrath better be prepared and hide under USA, if not you'll repent for it!
            A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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            • #7
              Praxus, I wouldn't go that far. You just vastly underestimated your adversary. That could have cost your life in the least, or worst, your comrades' lives.

              In no way is KGB in pathetic shape. It is still functioning and ever in force. KGB is now under another name but the same soul lives on.

              Lunatock, we are aware of your hatred for the Russians and I don't blame you. Some of the actions leaves to be desired and it is better not to share a border with them as Indians have the luxury to do so and thus call Russians allies.

              But still, Chechens are definitely worse than the Russians. In that view, I side with the Russians. Furthermore, I side with Russians than the Turks. The Turks are definitely a group you do not want to cross unless you have bigger resources than them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by s_qwert63


                Big boys?
                Puh-fucking-lease, the KGB carried out so many successful operations the CIA and the Mossad would seem like amateurs compared to them. And who told you that those detained are the FSB operatives that put the swine out of his misery?
                Ever heard of Tadj Bek, the capture of Kabul? That is just one example of how the KGB can conduct successful MILITARY operations. 23 years later the CIA fucked up when simply interrogating prisoners of war in the same country, and a fiasco was only averted because Dostun send droves of soldiers to quell the uprisisng.


                Bravo! Capturing the cities, and doing so well in the countryside. Whereas American forces ran amok wherever they enemy was shacked up. Britian & Canada also helped, that made the same outcome happen sooner.

                And in case you haven't had the story of Snipe's old unit, the Polar Bears, rubbed in your face enough. The entire Bolshevik army was held off at Ark Angel by a heavily outnumbered and cutoff force of American Army Regulars.

                So, you met a Chechen?
                Big deal... I met and know dozens more than you do. And yes, cooking a free meal and allowing people into apartments is a phenomenon called *hospitality*, something many Americans and Westerners know little about.
                Ooooh your so kewl! And can get one up on me no matter what! At least you say so on this board. :rolleyes

                And yes. us Westerner's are complete assholes, totally incapable to being nice to anyone under any circumstances.

                Yandarbiev was the one who gave Basaev and his gang of thugs the funds to carry out the Budenovsk terrorist raid into Russia, if you weren't aware of that. That piece of shit is better off dead.


                I DON'T CARE?

                PS: Get off the high horse, your hatred of Russia on these boards is taking you nowhere, if you hate Russia so much why don't you go join the "Chechen Eagles" hiding out in caves in the Caucasus mountains.
                If I go, will you try to chase my ass down after you became a bad ass Russian Conscript with Military training the equivalent of an entire year in Kindergarten?

                And not trying to sound arrogant, but how much would anyone bet myself as is, could just barely beat one of these conscripts in a target shooting match? And destroy one in hand-to-hand?

                Hypocrisy. Seeing as how you slander any person or country that doesn't kneel and kiss Russia's ass. Not to mention painting us all with the same brush. "You disagree, so your a Chechen Terrorist!".

                P.S. The bribe money to Moscow ran out in Buddenovsk. And after Basayev and his men ran into the Hospital, Russian Alpha Forces stormed it and started shooting at Rebels and Patients alike. The civilian casualties at the Moscow Opera Theatre wasn't an isolated incident.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blademaster

                  Lunatock, we are aware of your hatred for the Russians and I don't blame you. Some of the actions leaves to be desired and it is better not to share a border with them as Indians have the luxury to do so and thus call Russians allies.

                  But still, Chechens are definitely worse than the Russians. In that view, I side with the Russians. Furthermore, I side with Russians than the Turks. The Turks are definitely a group you do not want to cross unless you have bigger resources than them.
                  Just to clarify. I tend to refer to the Chechen people and have only met those who fled the country instead of staying to fight. I've never even seen Shamil Basayev, Asya, Abu Walid, ect in person. So no opinion of them..which might actually be better than agreeing with Russia's description by the way.

                  And what else is new? Telling it like it is has always been a little risky.

                  Plus odds are Snipe is higher on thier hit list, thus they'd go for him first and I'd be tipped off, would form a huddle & lock and load. ;)

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                  • #10
                    I nevere underestimate my adversary even if they apper as PUNKs.


                    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                    HAKUNA MATATA

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lunatock
                      Bravo! Capturing the cities, and doing so well in the countryside. Whereas American forces ran amok wherever they enemy was shacked up.
                      The Soviets did do that well and did it very well.

                      Soviet Special Forces (Spetsnaz): Experience in Afghanistan by Timothy Gusinov, Military Review

                      A Weapon For All Seasons: The Old But Effective RPG-7 Promises to Haunt the Battlefields of Tomorrow , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO.

                      The Afghan War: The Campaign for the Caves: The Battles for Zhawar in the Soviet-Afghan War by GEN Ali A. Jalali and LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO.

                      Ambush! The Road War in Afghanistan by Dr. Graham H. Turbiville, Jr., FMSO.

                      Artillery and Counterinsurgency: The Soviet Experience in Afghanistan , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO. (CALL Publication #98-17)

                      CONVOY ESCORT IN GUERRILLA COUNTRY: THE SOVIET EXPERIENCE by LTC Les Grau, FMSO. This article was previously published in Military Police Winter 1995.

                      Guerrilla Warfare and Land Mine Casualties Remain Inseparable , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO, and William A Jorgensen, DO, 1998.

                      Handling the Wounded in a Counter-Guerrilla War: the Soviet/Russian Experience in Afghanistan and Chechnya , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO, and William A Jorgensen, DO, 1998.

                      High-desert Ambush: Hard Lessons Learned the Hard Way , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO, 1994. <i>Warning - This article is graphics intensive! Please be patient.</i>

                      Medical Support in a Counter-Guerrilla War: Epidemiological Lessons Learned in the Soviet-Afghan War , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO, and MAJ William A. Jorgensen, U.S. Army, 1995.

                      Mine Warefare and Counterinsurgency: The Russian View by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO.

                      Night Stalkers and Mean Streets: Afghan Urban Guerrillas by GEN Ali A. Jalali and LTC Lester W. Grau Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, KS.

                      Road Warriors of the Hindu Kush: The Battle for the Lines of Communication in the Soviet-Afghan War , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO.<i> Warning - This article is graphics intensive! Please be patient.</i>

                      Russian Snipers In the Mountains and Cites of Chechnya by LTC Les Grau, FMSO. This article was previously published in Infantry Summer 2002.

                      Soviet Combat Engineers in Afghanistan Old Lessons and Future Wars by Dr. Graham H. Turbiville, Jr., FMSO.

                      The Soviet War in Afghanistan: History and Harbinger of Future War , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO and Mohammed Yahya Nawroz, 1995.

                      Underground Combat: Stereophonic Blasting, Tunnel Rats and the Soviet-Afghan War , by LTC Lester W. Grau, FMSO, and GEN Ali Ahmad Jalali, 1998.
                      Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 01 Mar 04,, 20:30.

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                      • #12
                        It was also where the Jihadi's did well. And eventually Russia threw in the towel, not them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ray
                          I nevere underestimate my adversary even if they apper as PUNKs.
                          Exactly, past performance is a testament to the "farmers with pitchforks". Future examples: Probably more of the same.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lunatock
                            It was also where the Jihadi's did well. And eventually Russia threw in the towel, not them.
                            The Beart Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan.

                            And its counterpart

                            The Other Side of the Mountain: Mujahideen Tactics in the Soviet-Afghan War - not accessible at the moment

                            Both are PDF files over 18 megs in size.

                            There's also the Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth,

                            Conflict in Chechnya

                            Be advised that LCols Thomas and Grau are retired USArmy. So, their approach should be considered as emotionally detached to the subjects.

                            Good Reading.

                            To the Brigadier,

                            Sir, would you like me to include these as well?
                            Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 02 Mar 04,, 01:14.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lunatock
                              Bravo! Capturing the cities, and doing so well in the countryside. Whereas American forces ran amok wherever they enemy was shacked up. Britian & Canada also helped, that made the same outcome happen sooner.


                              You realise the war isn't over, not by a long shot?

                              The entire Bolshevik army was held off at Ark Angel by a heavily outnumbered and cutoff force of American Army Regulars.
                              ???


                              If I go, will you try to chase my ass down after you became a bad ass Russian Conscript with Military training the equivalent of an entire year in Kindergarten?


                              Have you been to the Russian Army?
                              What do you know about it besides the badmouthing it received from CNN and other US propoganda channels?
                              Of course it is tough, but it will make a man out of you.
                              FOI: More than 60% of the Federal Troops that are sent to Chechnya are "kontraktniks".

                              P.S. The bribe money to Moscow ran out in Buddenovsk. And after Basayev and his men ran into the Hospital, Russian Alpha Forces stormed it and started shooting at Rebels and Patients alike. The civilian casualties at the Moscow Opera Theatre wasn't an isolated incident.
                              The civilian casualities at the Moscow Opera were killed by a gas overdose, not by the Alfa, the government wanted to make sure that all the terrorists were put to sleep, since they had the whole theatre boobytrapped and had a massive bomb in the middle which could have killed hundreds more.
                              In Budenovsk the Alfa was not even involved.
                              The Spetsnaz of the Internal Troops was involved - however the Chechens executed many hostages when they left, the Spetsnaz didn't kill any hostages.
                              And how little dignity do you need to have to capture a hospital and a birth house where babies were being born? I guess Basaev showed the whole world how much of a "freedom fighter" he really is, if he fights for freedom by hiding behind preagnant women.

                              It was also where the Jihadi's did well. And eventually Russia threw in the towel, not them.


                              The Afghan War can be described like this:
                              A big bully goes up to a small guy and starts beating the shit out of him furiously, no matter how much the small guy tries to resist he is getting his ass kicked the whole time. After a whole when the big guy realises that he is not getting anything out of the fight he leaves.

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